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Posted: 18 years ago

^^^Totally agree with that!👏

It's weird that as Durga, she's meant to be much stronger........only I found her with a lot more strength simply as Bani!!😕

As for Bani beingpaired of with someone, I'm nearing a point where I say NO AD-B/DDG, and NO JB!!

The lady should just take her kids and go far, far away where no one can harm her, and where she can't harm anyone else!

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Posted: 18 years ago
* Being declared mad and sent to the mental asylum when heavily pregnant, the shock of which sends her into premature labour is also abuse.
* Having to deliver her babies on the floor of a rat infested jail is emotional abuse and trauma of the first order.
* Having the new-born snatched from her before they have opened their eyes is abuse to both Bani and the new borns.
* Not telling Bani the whole truth about what happened in Dubai or about Pia's blackmailing with the CD and making a choice/decision on her behalf is abuse. In both cases Bani should have been told the facts and it should have been her right to choose 5 years in the MA or 14 years in jail. Knowing that JW loves her and her family is behind her would have given her the strength to face anything. Failure to let Bani make her own choices is also abuse. AD at least gave her a choice to go with him or not.
* Inaction to secure full custody of your kids from a rapist/murderer is abuse and keeping them in a position where they are dangled as trump cards by said rapist/murderer is abuse to the kids. Inaction to clear your wife's name from the murder charges is abuse to the memory of the dead wife.



AD and Bani have a common person to take revenge against – JW. Why should AD tell her the truth about JW and make himself a bridge between JW and Bani? He does not make any claims about being a saint. To date all we have heard is him saying he will use Bani as a weapon to destroy the Walias. But we have not seen him using her at all. We do not know for a fact that he is the one who has given the photos to Bani for burning. She may be doing it of her own accord. Him reminding Bani over and over again about her revenge is to make sure she does not waver from what she has to do. He knows she will do that once she sees her kids and that is exactly what happened. He knows Pia would go into killer mode and that is what happened too. All he is doing is making sure she does not let her emotions rule her actions.



When AD saved Bani and took her under his wing she was totally broken in every sense of the way – abused and traumatized in the worst possible way – betrayed and left to rot by people whom she considered to be her very own. AD's actions cannot be considered as abuse after what Bani has been through. There is nothing left to abuse.



Bani is not under his control. She did overrule him and went into WM when she thought her kids were in danger. He also let JW take Bani back to WM and was ready to face the consequences. An abuser does not do that.

Hema ..That was excellent 👏
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Posted: 18 years ago

Originally posted by: aperture

Pink
Agree with all ur points..very aptly stated...
the definition of an abuser....and JB equation preleap...

The most horrendous psychological and emotinally disturbing scene ever for
a wife is to witness her husband crying mera baccha with her sister's body
on his lap--that mera baccha scene--was one of the most heartwrenching
and damaging scene ever for Bani to witness..

👏

Thnaks for this ---Pink

Yes Bavi agree with u too😆 and WHERE have u been all week >>?😆
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Posted: 18 years ago
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He had his owm motives and given time my munna would also hav rescued her.

How much time are we talking about here? He had five intervening years, did he do anything to clear the name of his beloved dead life? What stopped him? Did he think to himself what is the point now, after all she is dead?

What has he done even now? Knowing that Pia threatened him before the school kidnap incident, why didn't he go with the DDG avatar just to protect Bani and let her stay under an assumed identity until he worked out a plan? Then when Pia told Bani remember my name Pia, Pia Walia, what was there to stop him from shouting she is not married to me? Then when they took Bani to jail, why didn't he call AD and say I have a DDG in my house, she looks very similar to my dead wife, they have taken her to jail, please take her documentation to jail. That would have shown a proactive JW, a man who needs time to stratetigize but knows how to strategize.

Instead what did he do? He issued a challenge to Pia that he will prove in 7 hours that Bani is DDG, not Bani. Seven hours have gone by and he is worrying about Bani's cooked food? He tells that Moksh guy to find out everything about AD and we are happy that at least now JW is using his brains?

We have an entire laundry list of things we wanted AD to have done or not done for Bani, how he should have told her the truth, mended her broken heart, fed her, clothed her, housed her, reunited her with Jai and how he is a slime ball and user and abuser and brainwasher because he hasn't done any of those things. Point is AD signed up for revenge when he took Durga on, not some social service agency. He has no claims or pretensions of nobility towards Bani or towards JW. Now we have this added complication of love which he could very well have done without.

About Bani just wanting her children and not wanting revenge, I would have had much more respect for Bani had she wanted revenge but I guess being an all forgiving saint is much easier both morally as well as strategically.

Abha
Edited by abhavarma - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
abha absolutely loved yr post 👏
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Posted: 18 years ago
Meena
(She lost her first baby, due to shock she was in a zombie state but after that she pulled herself and survived. And immediately after that came ONS, even though initially she wanted to give up, she again stood up and front live and came back...I think she is a fighter. If she was left as Bani itself, yes, initiatlly she would have been broken but later she will pull herself and fight back. But as Durga, she really has identity crisis.)

When the charac of Bani was first etched out she was portrayed as a survivor. She lived and fought for her sisters.
Then she fought to save JW bec she loved him.
She would fight for the people whom she loved.
When Pia ran away with pushkar, she fought for them bec she believed that PP did it for love and was happy that pia saw the light and chose the path of love. She didn't look at it from the point of betrayal.
When she lost her first child, she fought with the shooter to save the life of the man she loved, although he didn't love her.
But after the mera baccha scene, she went into zombie mode and was ready to die, remember the doc had called JW and told him that Bani's body was shutting down. Had it not been for her preg, she may not have lived.
When she witness the JP marriage, it confirmed the betrayal by the man she loved and the sister for whose happiness she had put before her own.
It would seem to me that the creatives are trying to show that when Bani is betrayed by those whom she loves, she loses the will to live.
Yes she did walk into the bomb blast area to die despite numerous warnings by the police. I would rather die than be confined to the asylum or I knowing my hero (AD) is coming to save me bec Ekta said so😆
The thing that bugs me here about that episode was that Bani met her babies, witness Pia's noncaring attitude towards them, JP marriage and she goes into I want to kill myself mode. ?? Frankly, wouldn't one endeavour to kidnap the babies and flee?
The Durga avatar is designed to correct the wrong done unto her and to get her children back with her.
Bani was never portrayed as revengeful. As you mentioned in your other post, Bani just walks away from those who wrong her, she disassociates from them. Bani was too trusting and always placed her importance to her duties and the promise she gave to her parents to take care of her sisters in sickness and in health. To me, as Bani she would fail in her fight against Pia.
Yet the way they have portrayed Durga has been a total let down to me. Peeling mattar, cooking, praying and burning photos are not what I had envisaged watching Durga do. I wanted an independent , calculative , avengeful lady. Always one step ahead of her enemies. Not to add one with a completely diff physical appearance as well. Right now I see her as "What should I do next Mr Deb?"
I mean after AD had her realeased from the jail, she wanted to go to WM and give them a warning on an impending storm headed their way?? Hasn't she realized she is dealing with the smartest people in the world!
I don't see Durga being jealous of JP.To me it shows the disgust she feels for the two of them. The betrayal that was dealt to her.
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Posted: 18 years ago

Abha...

Abt JW trying not to take any action against Pia,that will happen now as per custody papers which has got bani's signature by which pia will get legal custody of kids and JW too was shown signing the papers according to which he will hav to share the custody,dont say he should havnt signed at first place as then he couldnt let pia walk awat taking new born kids with her even its for a day as pia can harm them.


Now moving to other issue bani's body has not been found so its only after 5yrs she will be declared dead in court of law and her signatures will go invalid and now it is the time JW needs to take some action.


Abt not trying to prove bani innocent well wasn't bani's case was scheduled to re-open after 5yrs as she was sent to MA and JW say whatever ha sto think abt veer to before taking any step against Pia . As for JW and bani post leap even I am not happy with the way their char hav been shown as I expected a stronger bani and a different JW but this JB are two lost souls .

The equation is like this JB= AD+Pia are on either side of see-saw though we can hav both sides shown on balance but that is something too much to ask KS craetives as right now the side of AD and Pia is on top while JB are at bottom as one move only one bloody good damn move on either jai ya bani's part the entre equation of KS will change which I hav no hopes those creatives will show me soon .
I myself said on many occasions that I am not at all happy and don't like the way JB are being shown post leap,

JW asking sadhu for help to win a bid,bring abni to WM when he knew pia will not keep quite.

DDG has no concrete plan of what she wants to do ,all she says and talks is abt destruction but till date there has'nt been any move on her part and how she intends to get her kids back.

AD the most complex char,yes I agree now as I really don't understand when he was palnning to project bani as DDG why did he wait for 5yrs??? I mean he could hav bought her back 1 ya 2 yrs later why did he waste so much time?? He was waiting for 20yrs for this revenge means if there was never any JB conflict he would hav waited like that till another 20yrs and here now he gets his weapon and what is he doing except of that bid AD did nothing to destroy JW,but irony is that AD destroyed JW 5yrs back when he took bani away from him its upto AD to realize this .

And now where is so called revenge track only KS creatives can see it i suppose,its one month since leap and nothing concrete was shown nor we know wht is AD's past nor we know what AD-DDG are actually planning and above all we even dunno what JW wants to do after telling bani the entire truth.

Only char that is shapping up is PIA-hadnt been she AD would hav never got this golden opportunity to take his badla and JB another reason to sepearte and misunderstand eachother.


Edited by who am i??? - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago

Originally posted by: Henna 786

Bani seems to say that she is already married and ita paap for her to think otherwise..

This woman is well confused! 😆 she hates jai.. she loves Jai..

She hates jai when she says it.. she loves jai when other suggest a thing to do with him in the bad sense 😆

😆😆thats bani henns confused!DDG hates jai but inside she is still the same bani whos heart dhadaks 4 only jai and is his😳
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Posted: 18 years ago

Originally posted by: ovaltine

Meena
(She lost her first baby, due to shock she was in a zombie state but after that she pulled herself and survived. And immediately after that came ONS, even though initially she wanted to give up, she again stood up and front live and came back...I think she is a fighter. If she was left as Bani itself, yes, initiatlly she would have been broken but later she will pull herself and fight back. But as Durga, she really has identity crisis.)

When the charac of Bani was first etched out she was portrayed as a survivor. She lived and fought for her sisters.
Then she fought to save JW bec she loved him.
She would fight for the people whom she loved.
When Pia ran away with pushkar, she fought for them bec she believed that PP did it for love and was happy that pia saw the light and chose the path of love. She didn't look at it from the point of betrayal.
When she lost her first child, she fought with the shooter to save the life of the man she loved, although he didn't love her.
But after the mera baccha scene, she went into zombie mode and was ready to die, remember the doc had called JW and told him that Bani's body was shutting down. Had it not been for her preg, she may not have lived.
When she witness the JP marriage, it confirmed the betrayal by the man she loved and the sister for whose happiness she had put before her own.
It would seem to me that the creatives are trying to show that when Bani is betrayed by those whom she loves, she loses the will to live.
Yes she did walk into the bomb blast area to die despite numerous warnings by the police. I would rather die than be confined to the asylum or I knowing my hero (AD) is coming to save me bec Ekta said so😆
The thing that bugs me here about that episode was that Bani met her babies, witness Pia's noncaring attitude towards them, JP marriage and she goes into I want to kill myself mode. ?? Frankly, wouldn't one endeavour to kidnap the babies and flee?
The Durga avatar is designed to correct the wrong done unto her and to get her children back with her.
Bani was never portrayed as revengeful. As you mentioned in your other post, Bani just walks away from those who wrong her, she disassociates from them. Bani was too trusting and always placed her importance to her duties and the promise she gave to her parents to take care of her sisters in sickness and in health. To me, as Bani she would fail in her fight against Pia.
Yet the way they have portrayed Durga has been a total let down to me. Peeling mattar, cooking, praying and burning photos are not what I had envisaged watching Durga do. I wanted an independent , calculative , avengeful lady. Always one step ahead of her enemies. Not to add one with a completely diff physical appearance as well. Right now I see her as "What should I do next Mr Deb?"
I mean after AD had her realeased from the jail, she wanted to go to WM and give them a warning on an impending storm headed their way?? Hasn't she realized she is dealing with the smartest people in the world!
I don't see Durga being jealous of JP.To me it shows the disgust she feels for the two of them. The betrayal that was dealt to her.



Oval, I understand what you say. But when she lost her child or anyone, the first instinct will be to lose hope. That is natural. Because, at that point, they would in a very emotional state, they would not be able to think straight. Same with Bani, she was emotional, could not think straight. But after that, she pulled off. She lived her life. That is what is important.

Dear, when she saw JP marring, she wanted to go away. That was her first instinct and anyone's will be like that. Taking kids away is not possible because, she herself does not how she is gonna survive or what is going to happen next in her life...How can she take her children then?....Why would a mother want to risk her children;s life when she does not even know what is gonna happen next? I dont know...I think any mother will consider about that...😕Had AD not comes and if Bani survived the fire, she would have still wanted to survive and would have come back. That is Bani...

And yes dear, as I said before she is not the punishing type or the avenging type and that is precisely why a new avatar Durga was needed. But as you said, Durga is a great disappointment and if we compare Durga and Bani - Bani is a much stronger person.

Besides, I always said that she will move away from the person who hurts her badly and time and time again as Bani she did that. But in the given situation with her kids being away from her, would she have done the same? I am not sure...It would have been interesting if Bani would have come back for revenge herself..that will explain us more about her.
Edited by Je_aime - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago

Who am I:

Thanks for your ability to see shades between polarities in a discussion. Adds richness to discussions IMO.

I think AD brought Bani back after 5 years because of the MA issue. I don't know law so can't say what Indian law says about a presumed dead person, when they can return etc. There are bloopers galore over here.

I am coming from the perspective of loving both the characters, JW and AD. I don't want either to lose and so am creating scenarios that would enable both winning. I am absolutely flabbergasted and pained at what they are doing to JW especially when he doesn't need to fall from grace to increase AD's appeal to the audience. This is such a wonderful opportunity to use such fabulous actors for recreating the magic in a story that had gotten ugly and stale post rape/ONS.

Actually what Ovaltine said to Meena makes a perfect turn for the story for me too. Bani should stand alone. She should learn to fight which is what she has apparently learned from AD, which is what she lacked pre leap. She should get her children back and only then see where love takes her. For the moment, she should stay focused on getting her children back from JW which is what will be her revenge. Thanks Oval. I completely agree.

Same for Munna. Dear God (creatives), please let JW avenge his humiliation before any romance. For the moment he should stay focused on his revenge and not worry about getting Bani back even if June 19th is around the corner😆😆😆. Before any romance, JW should define to Bani what is acceptable and not acceptable from her this time around and Bani should realize, accept, and apologize for the role she played in the entire fiasco. Then they reunite. I am as much interested in seeing your munna, a happy munna with his Bani and his little twins. They deserve each other and their love.

When the two are reunited, AD too will win as the third angle in the triangle. Like I said on another thread, I don't want AD to win Bani's love even if he falls for her. She belongs to your munna. He can take any other revenge and win but he needs to lose in his love (if it is love indeed) for Bani to be truly victorious. He doesn't love Bani. He is just fighting his demons, his past rememberances in those tulsi pooja and computer scenes. He deserves better, not a love that belongs to someone else. As far as I am concerned, he can stay single and be ruthless and plan for his next victim 😆 😆 😆 . I will still be OTT over him 😳.

There is a lot of potential for a mindblowing track. especially if we don't see characters as flat, two dimensional puppets, one bad, evil and on and on ad nauseum on one hand and good, saintly, always wronged etc. etc. on the other. The nuances show better when all shades of good and bad co-exist peacefully. Just another opinion!

Abha

Edited by abhavarma - 18 years ago

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