Should Yesudas b let n2 Guruvayur Temple? - Page 2

Guruvayur temple is really a good temple but the norms followed by the temple authorities are digreesing🤢!!

Yesudas is such a pious singer and the way he sings "Krishna neeve......" song is really very serene and he is a true devotee,devotion is irrespective of caste and religion!

Yesudas must be allowed to get into the temple!

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Another fresh controversy of this temple is going on,have a glance at it.

regards,

Mythili

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Temple 'purification' after minister's entry criticised

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Guruvayoor (Kerala), May 20 (IANS) The Sri Krishna temple at Guruvayoor Sunday invited scathing criticism over the 'purification' rituals it carried out at the premises a day earlier following the entry of union Minister for Overseas Indian Affairs Vayalar Ravi's family to make an offering.

Commenting on the 'punyaham' (purification rituals) held by the temple, Ravi told IANS: 'I wanted my grandchild to get the blessings of Lord Guruvayurappa, that's why we went there. Now it seems the thantris (priests) decide on who would get the blessings of the lord.'

Ravi and his family had gone to the temple to perform the 'annaprasan', or the ceremonial first rice feeding, of his six-month-old grandson Rajiv Krishna Saturday. Ravi's wife Mercy Ravi, a former Congress legislator in Kerala assembly, is a Christian by birth and the temple is closed to non-Hindus.

The temple chief priest Chenas Raman Namboodiripad ordered the purification rituals after Ravi's son Ravi Krishna failed to produce a certificate to prove he was a Hindu.

When the temple authorities insisted on the 'punyaham', it was conducted after collecting Rs.1,500 as charges from Ravi's friend P.T. Mohana Krishnan.

Author and noted social critic Sukumar Azhikode said at a public function in Malappuram, 'Things have come to a stage when that those who performed the purification rituals should first be purified and what happened at Guruvayur is not acceptable.'

According to Vayalar Ravi: 'Seventy five years ago there was a massive people's movement to get permission for the untouchables to enter the temple. None other than Mahatma Gandhi intervened and got them temple entry. Even at that time the priests tried to mobilise the upper castes to prevent the move. But it was in vain.

'Now the thantris are again trying to raise the question of who is a Hindu. The people of Kerala will give a reply.'

Speaking to reporters earlier at Kochi, Ravi said: 'I would like to know who has the right to say to my next generations that they have no right to enter a temple.

'This is not the correct step and let the people decide on who has the right to say that my next generations can't enter.'

Six years ago, during the marriage of Ravi's son a similar purification was held because of the presence of Mercy. His marriage was solemnised according to the Ezhava rites and traditions.

The then chief priest justified his decision saying Ravi Krishna is not a Hindu as his mother Mercy Ravi is a Christian.

However, the school records of Ravi Krishna show that he is a Hindu and the Vayalar branch of the Sree Narayana Dharma Paripalana Yogam has cleared his case as a Hindu.

Guruvayur Devaswom Board chairman Thottathil Ravindran said that changes in the temple rules should be made according to the changing times.

'We are helpless because the chief priest is the final authority in these matters. Let there be a public discussion on these issues,' Ravindran told reporters.

Due to the purification rituals, all pujas to be held Saturday were cancelled and were being conducted Sunday.

Interestingly, Ravi Krishna's father-in-law M.P. Purushothaman, a Chennai-based businessman, had donated gold-sheeted doors to the temple that were fixed last year in a grand ceremony.

http://india-forums.com/news/article.asp?id=32575

I thought instead of opening up another topic on the same lines, why not continue, after all we are secular right 😉

Note --> this is nothing to do with any religion, it is just the govt attitude towards matter of religious places

so this is in Gujarat


New twist to an old divide: No entry for Deobandis in Gujarat's Barelvi mosques

Syed Khalique Ahmed
Posted online: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 at 0000 hrs IST
AHMEDABAD, AUGUST 6
A Special Reserve Police commandant who went to offer namaz at a mosque in Gondal, some 30 km from Rajkot, was turned away. The reason: the mosque is controlled by those subscribing to the Barelvi school, while the commandant follows the Deobandi ideology. Earlier, a police sub-inspector and a judge were turned away from prayers at another Barelvi mosque in the town.
After the 2002 riots in Gujarat, Muslims of all sects and ideologies had united to rebuild their lives, their homes, their mosques. But of late, differences between followers of the Barelvi and Deobandi schools have come to such a head that Barelvi mosques in the Saurashtra-Kutch region have put up boards asking non-Barelvis not to enter. Those who turn up nevertheless are asked to leave.
Followers of the two schools have never got along well. About a year and a half back, followers of the two sects in Halol and Kalol, some 30 km from Godhra, fought pitched battles over trivial issues. In another incident about a year ago, in Boru village, some 40 km from Godhra, villagers closely related to each other but adhering to different sects fought a bloody battle.
Even so, it is unusual for a group to prevent members of another from prayers, for Islam says no one is to be turned away from a mosque.
Though both groups are Sunnis, the essential points of difference are that the austere Deobandi school considers the Barelvi attribution of omnipresence to the Prophet and its belief in the power of Sufi saints to intercede with Allah on behalf of human beings a corruption of strict Islamic tenets.
Post-2002, however, the two groups had more or less set aside differences during rehabilitation work. Both helped each other in relief work and in rebuilding mosques damaged or demolished by rioters. In Kwant, Sant, Sokhda and other places in the Panchmahals, which had seen the worst rioting, non-Barelvi groups helped rebuild Barelvi mosques.
But that sense of oneness seems to have evaporated. With the Barelvis having strength in numbers — of the 50 lakh Muslims in Gujarat, Barelvis account for 70-80 per cent in rural areas and 60 per cent in urban areas — they are asserting control of mosques.
Translations of the Koran by non-Barelvi scholars have been removed from their mosques and they are asking non-Barelvis who financed reconstruction of mosques to stay away from the affairs of these places. In Ahmedabad's walled city, the Barelvis have even wrested control of a mosque that was being run by Deobandis.
Well-known Barelvi religious leader Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Siddiqui, who leads prayers in Ahmedabad's Jama Masjid, justifies the attitude of Barelvis towards Deobandis. "The differences of faith between the two sects is so vast that Barelvis can't allow Deobandis to pray in their mosques," he said. "If the Deobandis don't subscribe to our views on matters of faith and religion, they should not come for prayer to our mosques."
However, Mufti Abdul Qayyum, heading the Darul Qaza (Islamic court) and subscribing to the Deobandi school, says: "Let's be large-hearted and allow members of every Muslim sect to pray in each and every mosque, because all of us believe in the oneness of God. We welcome everyone to our mosques — Barelvis, Ahl-e-Hadith, Tablighis, and Shias. A mosque is not our personal property. It is the House of Allah."
Reacting to the controversy, Jamal Patiwala, in-charge of the media wing of Jamaat-e-Islami, says: "It's highly offensive to prevent people from praying inside mosques if they happen to belong to a different school of thought from that of the custodians."


If the Gujarat govt makes a legislation in this matter, what will you think of Mr Narendra Modi?

Do you think Congress in center support Mr Modi or oppose him?

source --> News in IE

There is incongruity in the way Devaswom boards work in Kerala. I would like to be secular but things like this are pulling me back and forcing me to agree with age old belief. Last year's Sabarimala controversy was an eye-opener and the IPS officer who was leading the team found out the connection from tantris (pujari) to politicians of the state to leaders of the center and now I am not sure what happened to it.

I didnt know they did such things in India..😕..

Originally posted by: Meena1

I didnt know they did such things in India..😕..

bade bade desho mein hoti rahti hai aisi choti choti bate😉

Originally posted by: greatmaratha

Why the other temples permit entry to Non Hindus or Yesudas or others like Sonia Gandhi, I cannot comment, but can cite a parallel example.

Last year, I visited the Hazratbal in Srinagar. As Hindus, we were not permitted entry beyond a point.

I was told by a Syrian Christian that other religions members were not permitted to partake the wine which was being distributed in a church conducted ceremony.

I do not believe in religious discriminations, but at the same time, I do believe that certain prayer places are maintained with some sanctity, which those belonging to those religions will know and understand and therefore be part to maintaining it.

Eg:- Temples do not permit children below a certain age within the sanctum sanctorum. reason - As per the shastras with which the temples have been constructed and the decorum maintained, if there is any defility (babies answering call of nature/ menstruating ladies entering the temple/ place of worship etc) the temple has to be purified following a lengthy procedure. Same is the case for persons belonging to or following other religions.

Guruvaryoor is my most favourite place in the world and given a choice, I would visit it everyday, but since I cant, I try to go at least once a month or once in two months. The Devasthanam Board take a lot of efforts to maintain the temple in the same manner as prescribed in scriptures and keep up the Hindu tradition. I believe the temple authorities are right if they restrict the entry of devotees to the temple to those following the Hindu religion.

👏👏 Absolutely correct Priyadi. I know of a friend of mine who fell in love with an Ismaili boy and she was not allowed to enter the Jamat Khana because she belonged to another religion. So sometimes these things do happen. I went to a Bahaya Temple once.......... its a Temple that is formed from all the religions........ it felt strange as parts of it looked like a dome, parts like a cathedral, parts like hindu temple.........yet each and everyone was welcome.

Am I correct that when our temples didnot allow certain sects. like the untouchables ages ago, the Sikh Gurudwara welcomed anyone with open arms regardless of their cast? I was told this by one of my teachers years ago......... that we made the untouchables sweep outside of our temples but didnot allow them inside. Sorry I am getting side-tracked here but just could not help commenting and asking.........

Thanks😛

Originally posted by: greatmaratha

I do not believe in religious discriminations, but at the same time, I do believe that certain prayer places are maintained with some sanctity, which those belonging to those religions will know and understand and therefore be part to maintaining it.

But Yesudas is a born Christian and practicing Hindu. How can a temple's sanctity get disturbed if the authorities let him enter the temple? The other case of temple going for shuddhikalasham (purifying because of a Non-hindu's entry) because the mother of the groom is a Christian. The guy's father is Hindu. So does it make the guy's blood mixed? Many temples in Kerala have such stringent rules. I am not making a comparison but have never found such discrimination in temples of other states. In our family temple only people of royal family and Brahmins are allowed. I follow the rules to respect the elders but it pains me that some of the elders in my family are being so narrow minded in this day and age and clinging onto old belief.

Let us not compare why and how other religious places don't let Hindus and strictly based on Guruvaypor issue I thing it is high time we let go off such discriminatory actions in the name of religion.