Who is most regressive filmmaker? - Page 6

Originally posted by: LilBitOfAlexis

How I wish people knew that mocking feminism does not earn you brownie points and it is part of the reason why we need it more than ever. Ahh but I don’t have energy to write an essay here .

OT : I always wondered as a kid why my family and community loved sooraj B movies so much ( because my family’s obsession even I grew up watching movies like HSSH). Now as an adult woman I fully understand why, his movies conveniently portrays family where ladies are supposed to be in kitchen while having their MBA/MBBS degree in pocket while their life revolves around worshipping husbands and their in laws. And with all this hoopla they are shown to be happy and this is exactly what my family expects from women in our society. Not arguing women living lives like this are not happy, maybe some enjoy such lifestyle but not all. The thought that women might be just as flawed (like having habits like smoking, drinking or even sweating) as man is just appalling to a large section in people in today’s time cause god forbid women are not sati savtri while men are normalised to be flawed and human .

Look at me still managed to  write a 20 marks answer 🥱

what's your definition of feminism? Ability to smoke and drink as much as the guys? Engage in the kind of behavior depicted in gehraiyaan?😒

imo wrong is wrong, whether it's the woman or the guy doing it. 

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

See, Barjatya actively portrays independent women as bad. His villains are always in western clothes, working type. 

His leads are constantly touting obedience as the ultimate virtue. I mean seriously? You have the hots for the younger bro and marry the older one because family? And afterward? The hots will disappear? Even if you don't do anything about it, that's a terrible situation to trap a completely innocent man in. I would've loved it if Mohnish told the love birds off before sending them off to get married. 

No female character is perfect if we take this route. Everyone has problems.

I wouldn’t be able to enjoy any movie with this level of  nitpicking.

It’s a story. They have to add drama. In general, Nisha isn’t a regressive character. 

Originally posted by: NimbuMirchi

No female character is perfect if we take this route. Everyone has problems.

I wouldn’t be able to enjoy any movie with this level of  nitpicking.

It’s a story. They have to add drama. In general, Nisha isn’t a regressive character. 

For one, how is it nitpicking when the entire plot revolves around it? All they had to do was add ONE SINGLE SCENE where Mohnish asked the couple if they didn't think they were being unfair to him by doing this. It would've made the point loud and clear that perhaps blind obedience is not the answer. 

For another, this a pattern in Barjatya movies. 

MPK, HAHK, HSSH...

Parental ddictates no matter how ridiculous, are ultimate. Truth and justice and the fact that the *child* is a grown adult be damned. 

Luv Ranjan.. his movies were funny but I didn’t like how he always portrayed that women were evil 😡 and Kabir Singh omg I couldn’t watch it more than 5 mins of it 🤢 

Amused at resident feminists here who think Hirani is not sexist.

What was balatkar speech and sthan jokes in 3 Idiots if not sexist? 

Hirani is 100% problematic and even glorified ragging in Munnabhai MBBS and 3 Idiots despite ragging being illegal and traumatising to youngsters in real life.

Sanjay Dutt whining against fake Chinki's backless top and calling heroine in salwar kameez as decent was also sexist in Munnabhai MBBS.

Parents need to be told to let kid follow own passion applies only to parents of boys in 3 Idiots. Not girls. Kareena studied what her dad wanted her to. No idea what is passion of women.

Most desis hate working women and also crush dreams of girls and do not let girls study  subjects of their choice or have their own dreams, identity and ambitions beyond merely sitting at home and being married or popping out a male child.

They deprive girls of good coaching and education too. Keep scaring and demoralising girls and induce doubts and fears in them how they can do anything.

They keep saying girl should lower gaze, lower voice and only stay home or covered up or do home chores or marry off soon or sit at home or do something small that can be done at home or do something online or freelance or part time.

I am not surprised this regressive, male chauvinist, patriarchal society loves Barjatya shit and these films air every weekend. And older lot loves them the most. 

All Barjatya films show educated, working or outspoken women as vamps or women with a life outside home as vamps and show women's socialising as nothing more than homewrecker gossip. 

Why not same for men eh? Why men do not become stay at home dads and househusbands despite degrees if it is so progressive? 

Barjatya films show woman's education is worthless and only to quote in matrimonial or pass time until she is married.

If Tabu is MBA from London then why she is at home and not even joining family business in HSSH nor Mohnish or others  consult her in business matters? Why is she mute all through the film? 

Originally posted by: LilBitOfAlexis

Also from personal experience also a lot of rich families just like to have facade of being not regressive. They will have their daughters/ DIL educated but wont allow them to work so they can have housewives but also get bragging rights about them being educated. And to get brownie points they will allow them to work 2-3 hours or just have them in office so that they can get the tag of being progressive. Sad thing is they think they are doing a favour to women by doing such tactics. It is very easy to downplay these problems faced by women by oversimplifying them and putting the blame of new gen , just because they refuse to be a part of oppressed society but the thing is women have to fight to have even bare minimum in life .

The richer they are the more regressive they are. I have seen it all. They never let girls being highly educated or study or work. Prefer to marry less educated women or make even PhD wife quit job and sit home. 

They do not prefer birth of girl and want son at any cost to inherit family  wealth and surveys have shown female foeticide is higher in richer communties.

They do not let daughters study much either and demoralise women and ensure daughter is only married off to a rich man when she grows up.

Originally posted by: MercurialMedusa

Totally that one speech is enough to show how pervy n regressive hirani is. 

Even in munnabhai mbbs Munna tells Asthana that ladki haath se nikal gayi mamu just because chinki sets up her friend to take her place and meet Munna at a club. 

Not to forget his terrible Sanju and whitewashing a terrorist, philandering druggie and showing him as victim.

Or that needless sexual innuendo on dancing cars in PK.

Hirani is a pervert and I am not surprised he was outed in MeToo. 

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Which director do you think doesn’t do these type of things ? Are there any ?? Even Zoya Akthar had women fight women over men 

An if all the directors indulge in it (men and female) is it even bad ? 

It is bad even if all filmmakers do it.

A century ago child marriage was everywhere in India. It was wrong. Even if others did it.

I personally find work of Akhtars slow, classist, hard to relate to. I never watch their films at all. 

And I wonder why characters have no ambition or passion in life or focus on responsibility and their only criteria of coming of age is how they deal with friends or whether they find so called true love in opposite sex or not.