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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem



Salim blinded Khusrau not killed him for revoting against him second time(first time he was house arrested)

Shah jahan killed Khusrau in his custody in Deccan

Murad was very good friends of Salim once they became adult although as teenagers they were suspicious of each others ambitions. Indeed Akbar was fed up of Murads nafarmanis as much as Salims. Later on daniyal also started defying Akbars orders.

Daniyal also had no fights with Salim although Akbar was considering to make Daniyal or Khusrau as heir apparents and in will wrote his wife and kids gaurdian should be Salim after his death. Daniyal composed Hindi songs and sent to Salim(when hes away on wars etc) and Salim sent him animals like horse, elephant and others as daniyal loved animals. Once Daniyal wanted salims favourite horse and Salim loved that horse very much but gave it to Daniyal as he asked for it.

Ideally Salim should be plotting with Mahabhat behind Akbars back. That would be more of history!!!! But not now once hes 30 years old not so young

Salim never had war with Akbar as decipted in Mughal e azam





He tortured his own son and then blinded him when his son tried to go against him .The point here is they had no human emotions when it came to power . Well Salim did revolt against Akbar but might not be for Anarkali but more for the power and the way he was treated by Akbar .Abdul Faz was brain washing Akbar against Salim and in one incident Akbar openely accuses Salim of killing Akbar even though Salim had no hand in it .All this strained the father and son relationship further . This forced Salim to kill Abdul Faz causing further damage.

See the point is Mughals never had a bond with either father/son/brothers and they were ready to kill each other for power so Salim going against Murad and Daniyal is not something out of place for me
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Posted: 6 years ago
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wow, this thread is amazing with all the theory and history...nice read
So, as far as I know, anarkali is fictional legend. whereas, nur jahan was very much real and more of a scandal at that time then anarkali...just wanted to know, are we gonna see characters and other wives of salim like nur jahan...if not, then this whole series is entirely fiction...right?

About the way salim is behaving, for me his desperation for anarkali is little OTT otherwise, I can relate to his frustration with his dad and half-brothers, mainly because mughul empire (family) was somewhat known to go to any extent for power within the family.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem


Salim never killed or tried to kill Akbar

Once when Salim was in early 20s Akbar was unwell and Abul fazl suggested that may be Salim had poisoned him. Later it was discovered that the meat Akbar had eaten was rotten(or contaminated). Salim always felt Abul Fazl and others instigated his father against him hence killed Fazl.

Salim did not kill any of his half brothers or nephews.

It was Shah Jahan who killed 3 of his step brothers(Khusrau, Jahandar, Shariyar). Parvez (Its said Nur Jahan was involved in that murder or he died excessive drinking). Shah Jahan even killed 12 other male relatives that included Murad and Daniyals sons(his cousins) and Khusraus children etc. Thats why Jahanara and Roshana did not marry because no cousins males left to marry them. Mughals married within cousins because otherwise outsider is threat to emperor throne.

Aurangzeb killed majority of his brothers(he had 4 brothers), one escaped to some Burma forest but no one knows what happened later. He killed Dara Sikohs all sons and only left daughter alive because she was 5 years old than.

Till Shah jahans time, no brother step or own brother(or nephews etc) was killed. If they revolt than they were ordered to go Mecca or blinded not killed.


As usual your knowledge of historical stuff is so interesting to read. In my personal opinion, Salim or Jahangir is not easy to like. He was not a dashing military commander like his father, he was addicted to alcohol and opium, he abdicated royal responsibilities, but most importantly for me, he killed Guru Arjan Dev.

I have mixed feeling about the serial Dastaan, on the one hand the sets are sumptuous, if they had been available in JA, they would have taken the serial to a much higher level. On the other hand in Dastaan, the story and direction is garbage.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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He tortured his own son and then blinded him when his son tried to go against him .The point here is they had no human emotions when it came to power . Well Salim did revolt against Akbar but might not be for Anarkali but more for the power and the way he was treated by Akbar .Abdul Faz was brain washing Akbar against Salim and in one incident Akbar openely accuses Salim of killing Akbar even though Salim had no hand in it .All this strained the father and son relationship further . This forced Salim to kill Abdul Faz causing further damage.

See the point is Mughals never had a bond with either father/son/brothers and they were ready to kill each other for power so Salim going against Murad and Daniyal is not something out of place for me


True that Kings had no emotions(or those who want to be kings)

But past has taught forgiving does ot mean the person you forgive becomes good, he waits for opportunate moment to strike back

Look at Prithviraj Chauhan he forgave Muhammad Gori one, if he had killed than no Delhi sultanat, no cruel death to Prthvi Raj

Look at Mughals only Humayun forgave his brothers Hindal, Askari, Kamran so many times for attemt to kill him what they did? They invited Sher Shah Suri to attack Humayun and he had to fled 15 years and they made Akbar as hostage and threatened Humayun etc

Look at Salim he forgave Shah jahan so many times for revolt, after his death Shah jahan killed all his sons and nephews and grandsons a few.

Shah jahan forgave Aurangzenb for attempt to kill Dara sikoh as a teenager what happened full world knows later

So is it Ok to forgive and risk life of yourself and your kids and nephews and dependents in future. If its only your life at stake you can forgive may be, but what about others life? What about civil wars and citizens life at stake later on? King must think all this

Khusrau had powerful backing of Man Singh, Abdul rahim Khan e khana, Aziz Koka, Ali Quli and others. If tommorow Salim forgives and they revolt again and kill his other children and nephews who will take responsibility of that?

King must be like High court/supereme court judge. Even if family member accused of crime you must act as per law only. That is best in long terms for those dependent on you thats my view
Edited by myviewprem - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Very interesting thread. I was never good in history nor even today.May be that's the reason, for me this serial and the characters are fictional. So I guess I am the only one here who is liking everything about this serial.
I somewhere read both Daniyal died at the age of 19 due to excessive drinking.And something same happened to Murad.
Salim revolted Akbar when he was 21 or 22 ,he was desperate for acquiring the Mughal Empire.In 1605 just after the death of Akbar ( after 7 days of Akbar's death),Salim captured the throne. He married to Noor Jahan in 1611 before killing her husband in 1608.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas


As usual your knowledge of historical stuff is so interesting to read. In my personal opinion, Salim or Jahangir is not easy to like. He was not a dashing military commander like his father, he was addicted to alcohol and opium, he abdicated royal responsibilities, but most importantly for me, he killed Guru Arjan Dev.

I have mixed feeling about the serial Dastaan, on the one hand the sets are sumptuous, if they had been available in JA, they would have taken the serial to a much higher level. On the other hand in Dastaan, the story and direction is garbage.


Hi Donjas

First 5 mughal emperors all were good at war startegy except Humayun to some extent

Akbar, Jehangir, Shah jahan and Aurangzeb were par military strategists

Regarding Jehangirs military campaigns, when he was a prince right from age of 8-9 he went to many wars although many not recorded except in some mughal campaign books etc(which no easily accessible)

He led his first military campaign at age of 12 years

Out of almost 20 plus wars that Akbar and Maharana Pratap/Amar Singh fought(mughal v/s mewar), Salim led 11 of them, 2 led by Murad, 4 by Man Singh etc

Salim was good at military startegy, once under his command he defeated Persian amy with 35000 soldiers when they seiged Qandahar(Persian army had 1 lakh soldiers). He was hardlyy 17-18 year old than.

He also was commander when they won many Rajputhana territories and other campaigns in North/East India/Afghanistan campaigns etc. Till his 30s when he revolted he was usually at wars extensively very few years at home. Yes after he became emperor he did not annex many kingdome, but by than other than few south India regions majority came under mughals. And Salim had revolts of his sons first Khusrau and than Khurram to handle and also his ill health etc. So may be he did not annex more kingdoms. Only if someone revolted he went to war otherwise he did not attack. Except Mewar, Kangra and Deccan etc he did not bother to expand.

Its just that since Akbar was emperor, all his commanders military credit went to Akbar and not to his commanders like Man Singh, Salim, Abdul Rahim etc Also Akbar became emperor at 14 years but Salim at 36 years so by than he was already gone to wars almost 20 years of life so may be lost interest. Age was an advantage to Akbar compared to other mughal emperors.

Salim is potrayed as romantic casanova and drunkard and opium lover but in reality he was good at military campaigns too. he started drinking at 18 years and opium only in his 30s not as small kid.


Edited by myviewprem - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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This is an interesting thread, more interesting than the show. I don't know why filmmakers need to portray their own version of medieval history, especially from a time which is so well researched and recorded and its art, architecture, and artifacts are strewn all over Indian sub-continent. In the end, they take so many liberties with the real history and hope than an elaborate costume drama will take care of every inaccuracy they portray. Every student who has gone through the Indian education system has studied the Mughals in depth and hence all these convoluted stories make every one of us see red!!
The only historical show on ITV that was well-researched was Bharat Ek Khoj.
This show seems to be collapsing under the weight of its own burden and I don't think this is going to do well. As everyone here seems to agree, they should have just presented it as an imaginary tale of a prince and his humble lover, without trying to depict history.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: srilotus

Very interesting thread. I was never good in history nor even today.May be that's the reason, for me this serial and the characters are fictional. So I guess I am the only one here who is liking everything about this serial.

I somewhere read both Daniyal died at the age of 19 due to excessive drinking.And something same happened to Murad.
Salim revolted Akbar when he was 21 or 22 ,he was desperate for acquiring the Mughal Empire.In 1605 just after the death of Akbar ( after 7 days of Akbar's death),Salim captured the throne. He married to Noor Jahan in 1611 before killing her husband in 1608.



Daniyal died at age 33 years

Murad at 29 years

Salim also collapsed and doc said you will not live few more months

Thats why he reduced from 40 cup wines a day to 20 cup wines than 10 cups wines. Since he got seizure and other side effects of reducing drinking he put opium in wine and drank. This was in his early 30s not as kid

Salim revolted in 1599 at age 30 years not 22 years



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Posted: 6 years ago
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The love story of Salim and Anarkali is a story that every lover knows. The Mughal prince Salim falling for a courtesan Anarkali is the stuff that legends are made of. The relationship of Salim and Anarkali outraged the Mughal emperor Akbar so much that both father and son decided to go on war.

According to legend, Salim, the son of the great Mughal emperor Akbar, fell in love with a beautiful courtesan named Anarkali as a young prince. Anarkali, whose title means "pomegranate blossom" (a title bestowed for her beauty) was famed for her dancing skills as well as her great beauty. It is believed that her original name was Nadira or Sharf-un-Nisa.He was mesmerized by her beauty and fell in love as soon as he saw her. But Anarkali was a mere dancing girl, and dancing girls were not of noble birth. They were considered to be low-born and keeping any relation with them were looed dow and strictly prohibited by the society. Anarkali knew that their romance was forbidden in the eyes of the prince's father, Mughal Emperor Akbar. So she tried to keep away from Salim. But how could she hold herself back from the prince's charms for long? Love knows no rules, and soon Anarkali too was deeply in love with Salim.

But such an intense love can't be concealed forever. The emperor could not digest the fact that his son was in love with an ordinary courtesan. He started pressurizing Anarkali and devised all sorts of tactics to make her fall in the eyes of the young, love smitten prince. When Salim came to know of this, he declared a war against his own father. But the mighty emperor's gigantic army proves too much for the young prince to handle. He gets defeated and is sentenced to death.

This is when Anarkali intervenes and renounces her love to save her beloved from the jaws of death. She is entombed alive in a brick wall right in front of her lover's eyes. It is, however, said that she did not die. The tomb was constructed on the opening of a secret tunnel unknown to Salim. It is said she escaped through that tunnel and fled the place, never to return again. The heartbroken Salim lives on to become emperor Jahangir.

But he could never forget his one true love Anarkali, in his lifetime. When he died, her name was on his lips.

Thus ends the tragic love story of Salim and Anarkali. Even today, these two lovers are remembered by people and held in esteem by lovers all over; such exemplary their love was.

Another version:

Salim and Anarkali (Legendary Romance)

Elan
5 years ago

The Mughal emperor Akbar and his wife, Mariam-uz-Zamani(Harka Bai), had a son named Prince Salim (later Emperor Jahangir). He was a spoiled and rude boy and because of this, Akbar sent his son away to the army for fourteen years to learn the discipline required to rule the empire. Finally, Akbar allowed this son to return to the main palace in Lahore. Since this day was one of great celebration, the harem of Akbar decided to hold a great Mujra (dance performance) by a beautiful girl named Nadira, daughter of Noor Khan Argun. Since she was an exceptional beauty, she got access to Akbar's court and was later honored with the epithet of Anarkali by Akbar, which literary means, pomegranate blossom.

During her first and famous Mujra in Lahore Prince Salim fell in love with her. Anarkali was not of noble birth and hence, she kept trying to resist the prince's attemps to woo her. However, it later became apparent that she was also in love with him. Soon, they both began to see each other although the matter was kept quiet. Later, Prince Salim informed his father, Akbar, of his intention to marry Anarkali and make her the Empress. The problem was that Anarkali, despite her fame in Lahore, was a dancer and a maid and not of noble blood. So Akbar (who was sensitive about his own mother, Hamida Banu Begum, being a commoner) forbade Salim from seeing Anarkali again. Prince Salim and Akbar had an argument that later became very serious after Akbar ordered the arrest of Anarkali and placed her in one of the jail dungeons in Lahore.

After many attempts, Salim and one of his friends helped Anarkali escape and hid her near the outskirts of Lahore. Then, a furious Prince Salim organised an army (from those loyal to him during his fourteen years there) and began an attack on the city; Akbar, being the emperor, had a much larger army and quickly defeated Prince Salim's force. Akbar gave his son two choices: either to surrender Anarkali to them or to face the death penalty. Prince Salim, out of his true love for Anarkali, chose the death penalty. Anarkali, however, unable to allow Prince Salim to die, came out of hiding and approached the Mughal emperor, Akbar. She asked him if she could be the one to give up her life in order to save Prince Salim, and after Akbar agreed, she asked for just one wish, which was to spend just one pleasant night with Prince Salim.

After her night with Salim, Anarkali drugged Salim with a pomegranate blossom. The guards came in the morning to drag the girl away. After a very tearful goodbye to the unconscious Salim, she left the royal palace with guards. She was taken to the area near present-day Anarkali Bazaar in Lahore, where a large ditch was made for her. She was strapped to a board of wood and lowered in it by soldiers belonging to Akbar. They closed the top of the large ditch with a brick wall and buried her alive.

Another version of this story states that the Emperor Akbar extracted a promise from Anarkali that she would never contact Prince Salim again and let he escape through a secret tunnel.

Edited by Elan

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I agree completely about the extreme behavior of Salim. Aside from war tactics, princes were taught royal etiquette too, whether or not they were the heirs to the throne. He seems to display none of that! Instead of Salim's Baghaawat ki daastaan it looks like his Badtameezi ki daastaan. 😕

I also feel as if they are using the name Anarkali but actually showing the story of Noor Jahan and Salim. She hasn't gotten involved in politics yet but the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if she does at some point. Nur Jahan was also a lady-in-waiting before she married Salim. I'm sure they won't show Salim with many wives, even though he had 20+.

As for the extreme negativity and weird character arcs, I would say this show currently looks like a beauty without brains. Put aside history, this show doesn't even seem to be doing well on the romance front, considering it has been promoted as this mega love story.

Edited by inlieu - 6 years ago

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