Originally posted by: MuratHayat
Would like to mention few verses from Quran for better understanding. Hope no one minds😊Those who don't know islam assume that islam was invented by prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).Islam means submission to our creator, Allah (swt). Creator of seven heavens and earth and everything between. It is not prophet who sat down and wrote Quran. It was Allah, the god. the creator of everything who revealed it to his last and final messenger.Before prophet Muhammad, Allah sent his messengers from time to time. Starting with Prophet Noah as mentioned in Quran , Allah sent his revelations i.e, holy scriptures."Verily, We have sent the Revelation to you (O Muhammad) as We sent the Revelation to Nooh (Noah) and the Prophets after him
Quran [al-Nisa' 4:163]
The list of prophets in chronological order: (peace be upon all of them)
These are the names mentioned in quran
Adam
Abel (Hbl)
Enoch (Idris)
Noah (Nuh)
Hud
Saleh
Abraham (Ibrhm)
Ishmael (Ism'l)
Isaac (Isq)
Jacob (Yaqub)
Joseph (Yusuf)
Lot (Lut)
Job (Ayub)
Jethro (Shoaib)
Aaron (Harun)
Moses (Musa)
Joshua (Yusha Bin Nun)
Khidr
Samuel (Syamuil)
David (Daud)
Solomon (Sulayman)
Ezra (Uzair)
Elijah (Ilyas)
Elisha (Al-Yasa)[11][19]
Jonah (Yunus)[11][19]
Isaiah[11]
Jeremiah[11]
Ezekiel (Dhul-Kifl)[11][89]
Daniel (Daniyal)[11][99]
Zechariah (Zakariya)[11][19]
John (the Baptist) (Yahya)[11][103]
Isa (Jesus of Nazareth)[11][106]
Muhammad - the last prophet of GodThe reason of me mentioning all this is god sent his message to mankind from era to era but other holy scriptures revealed prior to Prophet Muhammad were either lost or had missing parts or fabricated.Even to prophet Muhammad PBUH , Quran was not revealed at once. It was revealed over a period of years. AS Allah says in Quran:"And (it is) a Quran which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages. [17:106].Allah says in Quran that he sent Quran as guidance for mankind till the end of the world. Allah even says in Quran that he has perfected the religion for mankind"This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you
Quran [al-Maa'idah 5:3].
To understand Quran better we read even books called as Hadeeth that helps in better understanding of Quran and even teaches many aspects of life and etiquette. You will be surprised to know the details mentioned in respect to different aspects of life...business, money, rules of transactions, marriage, sex, dressing, eating, etc...Important to know is whether it be Quran or hadith it is by Allah's knowledge not invented by Prophet Muhammad PBUHAllah says in Quran"Nor does he (Prophet) speak of (his own) desire.
It is but a revelation revealed"
Quran [an-Najm 53:3-4].
And many ask practicing muslims why do they ardently follow prayers, fasting and islamic rules. When our creator himself has made clear again and again Quran that nobody can comprehend his knowledge then who is man to question his rules. But that doesn't mean blindly following things as Allah even says seek truth, seek wisdom.
"And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment
Quran [al-Hashr 59:7]
"Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messengers duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)
Quran [an-Noor 24:54]
Most important which even ignorant muslims themselves don't adhere to is seeking knowledge and seeking truth.Allah says in Quran to seek knowledge for example the verses:"and say: My Lord! Increase me in knowledge'
[Ta-Ha 20:114]
Allaah praises the scholars, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Say: Are those who know equal to those who know not?' It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allh's Signs and Verses)
[al-Zumar 39:9]
Lastly, people mix culture with religion. Islam is universal and culture is obviously not and many weird practices seen are culture based.
During this time, the couple continues to live under the same roof, but sleeps apart. This gives the couple time to calm down, evaluate the relationship, and perhaps reconcile.
Sometimes decisions are made in haste and anger, and later one or both parties may have regrets. During the waiting period, the husband and wife are free to resume their relationship at any time, thus ending the divorce process without the need for a new marriage contract.
In this period if they have sex then the entire divorce proceedings cancels out. It is regarded as reconciliation. And man can't say after having sex that he will continue with the 2nd and 3rd divorce.
Another reason for the waiting period is a way of determining whether the wife is expecting a child. If the wife is pregnant, the waiting period continues until after she has delivered the child. During the entire waiting period, the wife has the right to remain in the family home and the husband is responsible for her support.
If the waiting period is completed without reconciliation, the divorce is complete and takes full effect. The husband's financial responsibility for the wife ends, and she often returns to her own family home. However, the husband continues to be responsible for the financial needs of any children, through regular child support payments.
In general, if a man divorces his wife irrevocably, either by a third divorce (talaaq), or khula', or an annulment, and she is pregnant, then she is entitled to maintenance and accommodation, according to scholarly consensus, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Lodge them (the divorced women) where you dwell, according to your means, and do not harm them so as to straiten them (that they be obliged to leave your house). And if they are pregnant, then spend on them till they lay down their burden
Quran [al-Talaaq 65:6].
Originally posted by: MuratHayat
@nihaara Hi, I watched promos and few clips and have an idea of what the show is about. As of now, I am not watching the show as I am very skeptical about shows based on muslim culture. All thanks to qubool hai and beintehaa😆
I dislike the fact in tv sopas based on muslims they portray muslim men as some ignorant, tyrants and oppressive. This behavior is cultural and depends on individual households irrespective of religion they follow.But from what I understood in this show is that the male lead kabir is an ignorant man. He blindly follows some baba or whoever is that person. In the promo where zara tells him to not just recite but understand Quran, there she was correct. But In latest promo of marriage the condition of asking her before divorcing sounded ignorant.Because when women goes for khula (women's way of initiating divorce), then if husband is not ready to leave her then judge and relevant authorities can intervene and order him to forgo her. So basically rules are for both.As to your question on triple talak. Instant triple talak or divorcing a women in spurt of anger is not talak. They are still married and man is committing a sin by abandoning his wife.It has to happen over a period of 3 months. In any Islamic divorce procedure, there is a three-month waiting period before the divorce is finalized.After a declaration of divorce, Islam requires a three-month waiting period (called the iddah) before the divorce is finalized. During which the second and third divorces are given.During this time, the couple continues to live under the same roof, but sleeps apart. This gives the couple time to calm down, evaluate the relationship, and perhaps reconcile.
Sometimes decisions are made in haste and anger, and later one or both parties may have regrets. During the waiting period, the husband and wife are free to resume their relationship at any time, thus ending the divorce process without the need for a new marriage contract.
In this period if they have sex then the entire divorce proceedings cancels out. It is regarded as reconciliation. And man can't say after having sex that he will continue with the 2nd and 3rd divorce.
Another reason for the waiting period is a way of determining whether the wife is expecting a child. If the wife is pregnant, the waiting period continues until after she has delivered the child. During the entire waiting period, the wife has the right to remain in the family home and the husband is responsible for her support.
If the waiting period is completed without reconciliation, the divorce is complete and takes full effect. The husband's financial responsibility for the wife ends, and she often returns to her own family home. However, the husband continues to be responsible for the financial needs of any children, through regular child support payments.
Islam discourages Muslims from going back and forth about their decisions, engaging in emotional blackmail, or leaving the other spouse in limbo. The Quran says, "When you divorce women and they fulfill the term of their iddat, either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage. If anyone does that, he wrongs his own soul..." (Quran 2:231) Thus, the Quran encourages a divorced couple to treat each other amicably, and to sever ties neatly and firmly.In general, if a man divorces his wife irrevocably, either by a third divorce (talaaq), or khula', or an annulment, and she is pregnant, then she is entitled to maintenance and accommodation, according to scholarly consensus, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Lodge them (the divorced women) where you dwell, according to your means, and do not harm them so as to straiten them (that they be obliged to leave your house). And if they are pregnant, then spend on them till they lay down their burden
Quran [al-Talaaq 65:6].
You can read here about khula. where women files and gets divorce. In fact in khula, divorce is more immediate.https://islamqa.info/en/216408ate.So zara putting unreasonable conditions not prescribed in Quran is not right. Because just imagine if even kabir puts condition such as if zara takes khula from him she should complete her iddah/waiting period of 3 months at his home. It will be completely wrong because the moment khula happens they are equal to strangers and can't be living under same roof.
P.S what ever I have written is after checking authentic sources.
Originally posted by: MuratHayat
@nihaara Hi, I watched promos and few clips and have an idea of what the show is about. As of now, I am not watching the show as I am very skeptical about shows based on muslim culture. All thanks to qubool hai and beintehaa😆
I dislike the fact in tv sopas based on muslims they portray muslim men as some ignorant, tyrants and oppressive. This behavior is cultural and depends on individual households irrespective of religion they follow.But from what I understood in this show is that the male lead kabir is an ignorant man. He blindly follows some baba or whoever is that person. In the promo where zara tells him to not just recite but understand Quran, there she was correct. But In latest promo of marriage the condition of asking her before divorcing sounded ignorant.Because when women goes for khula (women's way of initiating divorce), then if husband is not ready to leave her then judge and relevant authorities can intervene and order him to forgo her. So basically rules are for both.As to your question on triple talak. Instant triple talak or divorcing a women in spurt of anger is not talak. They are still married and man is committing a sin by abandoning his wife.It has to happen over a period of 3 months. In any Islamic divorce procedure, there is a three-month waiting period before the divorce is finalized.After a declaration of divorce, Islam requires a three-month waiting period (called the iddah) before the divorce is finalized. During which the second and third divorces are given.During this time, the couple continues to live under the same roof, but sleeps apart. This gives the couple time to calm down, evaluate the relationship, and perhaps reconcile.
Sometimes decisions are made in haste and anger, and later one or both parties may have regrets. During the waiting period, the husband and wife are free to resume their relationship at any time, thus ending the divorce process without the need for a new marriage contract.
In this period if they have sex then the entire divorce proceedings cancels out. It is regarded as reconciliation. And man can't say after having sex that he will continue with the 2nd and 3rd divorce.
Another reason for the waiting period is a way of determining whether the wife is expecting a child. If the wife is pregnant, the waiting period continues until after she has delivered the child. During the entire waiting period, the wife has the right to remain in the family home and the husband is responsible for her support.
If the waiting period is completed without reconciliation, the divorce is complete and takes full effect. The husband's financial responsibility for the wife ends, and she often returns to her own family home. However, the husband continues to be responsible for the financial needs of any children, through regular child support payments.
Islam discourages Muslims from going back and forth about their decisions, engaging in emotional blackmail, or leaving the other spouse in limbo. The Quran says, "When you divorce women and they fulfill the term of their iddat, either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage. If anyone does that, he wrongs his own soul..." (Quran 2:231) Thus, the Quran encourages a divorced couple to treat each other amicably, and to sever ties neatly and firmly.In general, if a man divorces his wife irrevocably, either by a third divorce (talaaq), or khula', or an annulment, and she is pregnant, then she is entitled to maintenance and accommodation, according to scholarly consensus, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Lodge them (the divorced women) where you dwell, according to your means, and do not harm them so as to straiten them (that they be obliged to leave your house). And if they are pregnant, then spend on them till they lay down their burden
Quran [al-Talaaq 65:6].
You can read here about khula. where women files and gets divorce. In fact in khula, divorce is more immediate.https://islamqa.info/en/216408ate.So zara putting unreasonable conditions not prescribed in Quran is not right. Because just imagine if even kabir puts condition such as if zara takes khula from him she should complete her iddah/waiting period of 3 months at his home. It will be completely wrong because the moment khula happens they are equal to strangers and can't be living under same roof.
P.S what ever I have written is after checking authentic sources.
Originally posted by: light_year
Excuse me can I add something to that if you don't mind. In islam a women can demand dowry , like in Hinduism men demand dowry. The man will be able to marry the women only if he can fullfill her demands. In india they have made it as a joke though. They give very less dowry for namesake, the amount which is equal to what prophet used to give. And demand dowry from women. But in Arab countries , women demands whole house with furniture, all according to her taste. When she marries she goes directly to her new house. Which May b next to her in-laws house. But her accomadation is separate. A women is entitled to spearate accomadation if she demands and her husband can afford.They can even do conditional nikha. For example a women can demand. Till I am alive you can't marry a second wife. A man can demand that you will have to take care of my parents. If both the parties agree the nikah will commnce or they can search for some other proposal who can fullfill there demands.
Originally posted by: MuratHayat
@adini: That is what I am trying to say instant triple talaq is invalid. I put forward what Allah has ordained in Quran. If you have read my post you will see that the real rules ordained in islam is not against women.
What they follow in india and pakistan is sin. This kind of instant talaq is not valid in first place.
Originally posted by: MuratHayat
In india and pakisatn we see that they not only demand dowry from women but if women earns she should be even giving that salary for running household. Moreover have to live with in laws. All these are culture based not there in islamIn Islam if women earns then she is not obligated to spend on anyone. Husband can't force her to give her property or earnings. Neither he should make her live and serve in-laws. But if she is doing it of her own will and because of mutual understanding then it is well and good.Problem is most women and men as well don't read Quran and hadeeth to know their rights. If at all they know something they twist it in accordance to their whims and fancies which is wrong.
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