Shivay Singh Oberoi-- Angry Young Man? - Page 5

Originally posted by: twerping

I know man. I think i might not be able to get back to my fic either. It's just heartbreaking. This was an attempt to try and forget the pain for a while and try to rationalise his actions. But the politics behind his power play isn't something that makes you feel too good about the world either. 🤢

Originally posted by: ThatNarcissist

What is GK thinking? Does she think this plot to be something very radical? Because its not. It preaches hegemonic patriarchy and it sucks.

Originally posted by: A.C.

Oh, Nargis, I love you for saying this and I completely agree too! I remember the scene when he slammed his fists into the wall repeating 'its all a lie' over and over when he saw Daksh give those papers to Anika. I understand that more than anything its that heartbreak he's retaliating against. But the question for me is, is that reason enough for him to destroy a soul this way? Because that's what he's done and there are something that cannot be undone. There is such a thing as a point of no return and he crossed it and he knows it too. Yes the biggest tragedy and irony of the situation here is that SSO has destroyed one whom he loves. But is that punishment enough ? I don't know. I juts don't know.

I know he's in for a lot of pain. When he'll learn of Tia and Daksh's betrayal, when he'll learn that Anika is an orphan and Sahil is her only family, it will destroy him I know. But is his eventual guilt and pain reason enough for Anika to forgive him? Should she forgive him just becuase he loves her? Is love really enough here? Can it heal all wounds? Can we blame her if she doesn't forgive him? Will we forgive her if she does?

I just dont know anymore. That's the conundrum that GK has created for me I'm afraid.

Originally posted by: --Nargis--

Ayesha...what's the alternative...fall in love with someone else? I mean this is a story, so its easy for the CVs to introduce another character...someone perfect for Annika...but is that how real life works? They type of girls Annika is...i don't think she will ever love again...and if she settles it will be a samjota of sorts...aur agar smagota karna hi hai...toh thoda smajota is situation ke sath hi karlo? She will still be with the man that she loves...loves her...and hopefully if there is redemption and he does apologize...and redeem himself...then her chances at happiness with the samjota are much higher being with Shivvay than with someone else who she doesn't love. I said this on another thread...everyone wants to live with ABSOLUTES...when we know that in real life rarely are things that are absolute...otherwise there is always gray shades, negotiation...compromise...rose colored glasses...whatever label we want to give it. Just something to think about...

Originally posted by: A.C.

Once again, I completely agree with you. There are no absolutes in life and I completely believe that. Life is not an either/or situation and I absolutely understand that as well. But there are compromises and their are compromises. See, the conundrum here is that even if Shivaay redeems himself, it will be for his selfish reasons. It will be because he wants her forgiveness and loves her. He wants her in his life. That's the reason he will redeem. His redemption will be based on a fulfilment of a need now. Need for her. This Shivaay, the one that we see now, he will never love Anika the way she deserves to be loved. He'll never love her enough to let her go. And that is what I hate most about this track because the previous Shivaay had this potential.

For me the only way forward from here is if Anika leaves and becomes the woman she has always wanted to be. For me, Shivaay's true redemption lies in offering her the freedom he stole from her - after getting to know the truth that is. Maybe they can come back together after a few years because yes, Anika, being the woman she is, she'll never love anybody again. Certainly not like this. But if this goes on then for me all of Shivaay's good deeds after finding out the truth will be coloured by his guilt. The love will be marred you see.

Things have become so complicated now and I don't think the CVs even realise what they have done. You know what I loved about my old ShivIka? It was the potential for being partners - Equal Partners with mutual respect. But that's gone now. Because now if Anika forgives him she'll become the mahaan one in this marriage and Shivaay the ultimate forever-guilty party. One will have the upper hand no matter what. They may become husband and wife, but they'll never be companions or partners. Because companions walk together. One doesn't lead and expect the other to follow. Thats not how it works. This ShivIka is just a political play, its become a game of power without the potential of ever having a mutually repectful tie. Without the mutual respect, period, and I abhore that. It looks more like US elections now because apprenlty anything goes!

That's what I meant when I said that now, in this situation, love is simply not enough anymore. Because it doesn't have the foundations. Love without respect, without honour, is a meaningless selfish emotion. Thats what i meant when I said that there is no coming back from this deed because some things can never be forgotten even of they are forgived. Would Shivaay have ever forgiven her had Anika done the same thing to Om and Rudra?Probably not and niether would he have ever forgotten.

So yes, I believe in compromise. But I want that compromise to be Shivaay's. Why should Anika be the one settle here? Settle for what? A guy who threatened to blow up her home, her sanctuary? Because isn't Sahil just that? How is that any different from Daksh? He too invaded her sanctuary, her home, didn't he? He too loves her and wants her for himself and is willing to go to any lengths to have her. Why is his obsession so wrong and Shivaay's so right? Both men don't respect her choice at all. They certainly don't understand the working of her heart or her mind either. Isn't what Shivaay doing right now similar to Daksh's 'you are mine and no one else's syndrome? Technically, isn't he punishing her for loving someone else? No I don't beleive that both men are the same or equally unhinged because one is a psycho and should be locked in a psychaitric ward. But doesn't that make Shivaay's act even more reprehensible because he is the sane one here? Daksh is cucoo. But Shivaay did everything deliberately. So no, I dont think she should settle because she'll lose herself if she does. She'll become another Jhanvi, who settled and killed a part of herself. He should be the one to settle here. He should be the one willing to sacrifice a part of himself and allow her to fly with the hope of returning and bear the fear of her never coming back. That's his true redemption for me.

I want him to let her go and become the man she deserves. And I want her to walk away and come back only after she has become the woman she has always wanted to be. I want Anika to retain her self respect. And I want Shivaay to rise from the ashes of the love that he burnt and become the man who deserves to walk beside her. Not for her. Not behind her or in front of her. But beside her. With her.

I want them to choose each other with RESPECT and REASON. Because for me there is simply no love without it.

P.S. You can Nag me anytime you want darling!

Originally posted by: twerping

Ayesha, as always I love the way you analyse the politics of a relationship. I so agree with the things you said. The part that especially resonated with me was the destruction of that potential for equality (which the show boasted of in the promos) is exactly the cause for my present disappointment. There is no way that these two can again reach that balance which coloured their previous interactions/encounters.

Compromise is not the issue at hand. At present, if they show the two of them engage in cat and mouse sort of interactions, or what is called nok-jhok in tv world, it does not show equality. I mean, we know that in their present relationship, one of them is most definitely the dominant one and that is Shivay. If he repents later, and Anika forgives him, then she becomes the dominant one, as you explained so well. Then where is the scope for takkar ka pyaar?

The CVs seem to be writing the present track with the belief that having the two of them married off is enough for us. But marriage in this case shuts down the scope for ishqbaazi. What these two had earlier was a connection that needed to be explored. The marriage just shut down all possibilities of such an exploration and streamlined the relationship into the channels of family and marital duties.

There can be no redemption in this case. Shivay will remain the selfish person (because he will not let Anika go) and Anika will become the mahaan woman (like Sita, forgiving all the transgressions of her man). They will never be the Shivay and Anika we read about in your stories. 😭

Originally posted by: A.C.

Yes, yes, and a thousand times yes! That's exactly my point! By introducing this so called redemption thing GK has invariably destroyed the supposed takkar! And boy could I strangle her! There is no real redemption or compromise in this case because things are just way too convoluted now. Until Shivaay really does let her go which I too don't think is happening. And I'm not sure it will be enough even if he does that.

Which brings me to the second point. The supposed marital duties and all that crock. I have a huge issue with this thought as well. No offense to anyone but i find it very strange that suddenly our modern independent nayi-soch Anika has developed feelings for her ek-chutki-sindoor and the pati-ki-raksha-dhaga-mangalsutra, symobls that were forced on her under duress.

See I'm a student of history of cultures and I understand very well the meanings that humans associate with symbols and I also know the history of how they developed. This goes back eons, during the Stone Age when Totemism came to be. And the one thing that becomes clear from that is that its not the symbol but what it represents that's of more importance. Hence, articles like mangalsutra, sindoor or wedding rings or chura or the Muslim nose ring or anything that a man/woman wear to identify their marital status speaks more about the relationship. I know people associate such symbols with ownership but that's now how I see it. When a woman wears a mangalsutra or a wedding ring or nose ring - depending on the culture/religion she belongs to - she's not telling the world that she belongs to someone. She's saying that 'I have willingly, with reason, given myself to a man who has given himself to me in return.' These symbols are representative of a relationship that you are proud of. Of a partner that you are proud of. The power is not in the symbol that you wear. It lies in the reason that allows you, all but compells you with its magical strength to wear it. The power lies in the relationship.

Can any of this be said about the ShivIka marriage? Is Anika really proud to wear these symbols? How can she be when they represent the annihilation of her self respect and freedom? How can she be even remotely attached to these symbols? It doesn't make sense. For me the magic has never been in the wedding vow itself, but in the people taking them. Its not the nikkah that's important, its the people who willingly take each other on and say 'qubool hai': I Accept You.

And all of this is so far from the reality of Shivaay and Anika's marriage. Because Anika does NOT accept Shivaay. And Shivaay doesn't even know her, so how can he accept her? And the sad part is that I don't see this acceptance happening either. Its a sad state of affairs indeed.

Originally posted by: twerping

Talking about these things with you is such a source of relief.

Today I watched the episode again after giving the show a wide berth for the last few days and it left me feeling miserable. I wonder what it is that these Oberois and Anika are snorting/smoking. Pinky's disgruntlement is the only thing that seemed sensible to me. At present, the mangalsutra and sindoor seems to have the same power as the ring in The Lord of the Rings. It apparently has some kind of magical property on the wearer, that is independent of the will of the individual, the circumstances he or she may find himself/herself or the natural instinctive characteristic responses one may have to events.

I get that the CVs wanted to create a situation where the two of them are forced to live as husband and wife despite not having acknowledged their feelings for each other. But to bring about it this way, it's just heartbreakingly wrong! It goes against everything that the takkar ke pyaar was supposed to represent