Shivay Singh Oberoi-- Angry Young Man?

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This is my take on Shivay Singh Oberoi being presented as an Angry Young Man.
WHAT IS THE ANGRY YOUNG MAN?

So, if we look at the way the idea of the Angry Young Man came into literature and cinema, we can see that it was a reflection of the rise of a certain working class angst that came as a result of leftist movements and workers fighting for their rights after the Second World War in Europe, with the collapse of the structures of society in the after-math of the war and a certain crisis of civilisation that the European society was facing.

So what were the basic qualities of the Angry Young Man?

#A certain anger at systems of power that he could not break through because they were too powerful for an individual to destroy.

#A certain idea of rebellion without a cause. (This was the way mainstream art distanced working class angst from the organised workers' struggles--instead of a collective expression of anger at genuine systemic oppression, we see an individual trapped in a society where he feels alienated and thus rebels but doesn't know exactly what he is rebelling against.)

#A history of personal trauma connected to his class background that shapes him. This was an extension of the feminist movement which spoke about the personal as political. So what we have is the angry young man is someone who has had to go through a lot of personal trauma (father being someone who beats up his mother, being abandoned by his parents in his childhood, broken families, etc which is a reflection of a certain kind of class experience but is presented as an individual's experience that in someways cripples him emotionally and becomes an obstacle to his development as a social individual.)

If you look at Bollywood as well,you can see the way Amitabh Bacchan's version of Angry Young Man is also an extension of similar social anxieties and angst.

WHAT IS GUL KHAN'S IDEA OF THE ANGRY YOUNG MAN?

But what does Gul Khan do? Her Angry Young Man has evolved over her many shows.

So if we look at Maan, he is somewhat of a self-made man. He has struggled to make his millions, is not born with a silver spoon and is traumatised by his past and hence shuts himself up emotionally from the world. Betrayal that he has faced is from a woman, and so he responds like Hamlet in that he feels all women are bad. He wants everyone to be the master of his or her own destiny because he himself has shaped his path to success.

What about ASR? ASR is born into a feudal family. We must remember that his father is something like a zamindar. The class background obviously sets him apart. However, he too like Maan, has had to build his own fortunes since he had been robbed of his inheritance by his uncle after his father's death. He lays claim to the title of 'self-made man' and 'master of his own destiny' because of this history. However, his own class background and the fact that he feels that his parents' death was brought about by someone from the 'middle class', he harbours a hatred for the middle class (especially women) and feels that they do not want to work but rather feed off the wealth of those who have it. His own path to success does not seem to have taught him the fact that the middle class (that comprises a significant part of the work force of any country) has to work in order to earn money. It is the aristocracy that actually feeds off the labour of the middle and working class. Anyway, his trauma in some ways blinds him to the reality of middle class life.

SHIVAY SINGH OBEROI--THE ANGRY YOUNG MAN?

And SSO? SSO does not have any particular history of personal trauma. He did not make the money he enjoys. His grandfather built this empire which means, he is the third generation and thus was literally born into this wealth. In the show we never see him actually work. So actually he is literally feeding off the labour of his employees. The one time we see him give his employee (Mishraji) who obviously works much harder than him a raise, it is in a state of intoxication and the moment he is sober, he denies giving the raise. So, he is the one who grabs the largest part of the profit that is made by the labour of his employees.

He is naturally concerned about class and name. Because he is a representative of a certain privileged class of people (what the OCCUPY movement would call the 1 %), he knows that he is the minority and must jealously guard the walls that separate this minority because he does not want to lose any of the wealth and power that comes with it. He is against the distribution of wealth and a democratic society( or even one that is more equal) because in his mind he feels this immense wealth is his natural right.

He is entitled to this wealth and power and the world is there for his consumption and use. (Think of Donald Trump's speeches about migrants and immigration and the desire to build the WALL with SSO's ideas of the 'Lakeer' that exists between classes)

He uses his employees to maintain his wealth just as he uses Anika to maintain his reputation. He does not go to jail because of her, he does not become a laughing stock of the media after Tia's running off because of her. In both cases, her fall allows him to rise.

In the light of this, I don't think we can be shocked at the way he behaves with Anika because that is just how he is. His very upbringing makes him someone who thinks he can get away with ANYTHING. It is ONE RULE FOR HIM AND HIS CLASS, A VERY DIFFERENT RULE FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

She is his to use, just as everything else is.

SO IS HE AN ANGRY MAN?

Now that is my analysis of his character. So where does he figure in the spectrum of the Angry Young Man? I would say this is a complete appropriation of the idea of the Angry Young Man by a certain capitalist propaganda machine where the very class background of the AYM is changed and distorted.

He is shown as someone who has a temper. And that alone is the only qualification he possesses to claim to be an Angry Young Man.

He has no anger at the system. In fact, he supports it and upholds it. He will do anything to maintain the status quo. He is against the breakdown of this system. So in effect he is radically opposite to the idea of the Angry Young Man whose main angst arises from his alienation from the systemic structures he finds himself in.

His charity is a false generosity because he does not want to create a more equal society by giving a miniscule part of his wealth. He is actually displaying his power to give through his charity.

He wants to maintain the structures that make people like Mishraji or Anika dependent on him. Just as he refuses to give Mishraji a raise, he refuses to let Anika maintain her independence (selling off her house, not allowing her to get the catering tender). He does not want Mishraji to become financially independent enough to open a separate company that would become a rival to his and thereby rob him of a section of his income. Similarly, he does not want Anika to become financially independent since that would allow her to challenge his social and financial domination over her.

This is not a rant, as you might have realised by now. This is an analysis of a certain kind of world view that the dominant class in our society possesses-- the 1 %.
If you share this world view, then SSO is your hero.
If you do not, then he is bound to raise your hackles.

I personally, believe in a more egalitarian society and so he is not my cup of tea. But that is my opinion.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Twerps...you are exactly right SSO not an an Angry Young Man...i would say he more of an Arrogant, Egotistical Young Man for sure. There is not very much in Shivvay's past to cause the Angst in his life like Gul's previous heroes. Great analysis!!😛
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Originally posted by: --Nargis--

Twerps...you are exactly right SSO not an an Angry Young Man...i would say he more of an Arrogant, Egotistical Young Man for sure. There is not very much in Shivvay's past to cause the Angst in his life like Gul's previous heroes. Great analysis!!😛


All this was festering in my mind for quite a while and so thought to kind of let it all out in one go.😆
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Originally posted by: twerping


All this was festering in my mind for quite a while and so thought to kind of let it all out in one go.😆


I am glad you took the time to write it out here...I am sick of people jumping to conclusions and judgements so fast without really thinking things thru. Your post defining SSO, and Neha's post on defining what an Abhla Naari is...and why Annika is not an Abhlaa Naari...but rather a traumatized girl, who is in a desperate need of some time, love and family...much of which she has never gotten before! She needs time to recoup...and come out of her trauma.

So Once again...thank you for trying define what and who Shivvay is...and differentiate how he is different from Gul' other ML.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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While I applaud your writing, personally I think that Shivaay is just one royally spoilt brat. A brat with a temper.
He was spoiled by his grandmother because he was the eldest born (is that right)? Then it got worse because he got two younger brothers who probably adored him. I bet he was an all star student, and then an all star success in the family business, and no one took a paddle to his bottom when he threw a temper tantrum when they should've!

The only thing that I can't figure out about Shivaay is Fere the Whuck this thing about family connections and blue-bloodedness comes from. For the rest, he's a good guy waiting for the right girl to beat some sense into him.

And boy, does he have _that_ coming! 😆



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Nargis--


I am glad you took the time to write it out here...I am sick of people jumping to conclusions and judgements so fast without really thinking things thru. Your post defining SSO, and Neha's post on defining what an Abhla Naari is...and why Annika is not an Abhlaa Naari...but rather a traumatized girl, who is in a desperate need of some time, love and family...much of which she has never gotten before! She needs time to recoup...and come out of her trauma.

So Once again...thank you for trying define what and who Shivvay is...and differentiate how he is different from Gul' other ML.


Thanks for mentioning Neha's post.. am yet to read it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Twerps!
First, where have you been?! I've missed you man! And apologies for vanishing on you too!
Now that done, let's come back to the things you said. I am point to everything you said! Seriously thank you for writing this because I don't think anybody actually knows about the history of coin names like AYM - its been pretty freaking clear that at least GK doesn't! SSO is definitely no hero. No body in their right mind would ever call that one a hero - hell, he's not even the typical 21st century lovable-jerk or misunderstood-bad-guy-cum-good-guy either. He's NOT gray, at least not now he isn't. He used to be, yes. The initial SSO we all saw the potential in and went gaga over was gray. I still wouldn't call that SSO redeemable either because I really don't believe GK's idea is love changing a person completely. But that SSO, the old one that is, he had potential. Potential for being more as well as less. More understanding and less hypocritical arrogant jerk. More loving and less Hulk. That Shivaay seemed capable of eventually seeing the other side of this line that he supposedly believed in. That one I still love and will continue to write about him until I no more can. That one I still believe in.
This one, not so much. So yes, he makes my hackles rise because I don't believe in his world either.

P.S. Regarding this track, I don't have any hopes for ridiculous things like redemption because there are some things that cannot be redeemed. In fact, the only reason I'm able to watch the show these days is because I've erased the memory of how they got married from my brain! The wedding doesn't exist in my mind. I'm afraid that's the only way I can watch my OTP now.
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Twerps, as always, love your analysis.

I said this earlier as well, SSO is no Angry Young Man. He, thus far, seems to belong to the group of people who create Angry Young Man, with all of his power to influence and abusing that power in so many ways. This is what he has known from a young age, I guess. It's clear from the way Pinky talked about society and class when it was first revealed that Anika was behind the ghoonghat. He was brought up this way, surrounded by people (namely his mother) who were just probably a step or two away from building a shrine for their NKK.

From a story-teller's point of view, SSO has a load of potential throughout a long-form drama series. Him watching the very foundation on which his ideals have been built upon crumble would be a treat. But as an individual, he is no AYM.

Though, about the point you raised about personal trauma caused by witnessing father abusing mother -- I don't know if it can be completely discredited for SSO? I just keep thinking Shakti is so shady, he might or might not have caused Shivaay to have such disgust and anger towards the middle class. It might not be true, one never knows until an episode reveals anything of Shivaay's past, but I was just wondering.

Again, fantastic analysis. 😊
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Originally posted by: PurplePantsuit

While I applaud your writing, personally I think that Shivaay is just one royally spoilt brat. A brat with a temper.

He was spoiled by his grandmother because he was the eldest born (is that right)? Then it got worse because he got two younger brothers who probably adored him. I bet he was an all star student, and then an all star success in the family business, and no one took a paddle to his bottom when he threw a temper tantrum when they should've!

The only thing that I can't figure out about Shivaay is Fere the Whuck this thing about family connections and blue-bloodedness comes from. For the rest, he's a good guy waiting for the right girl to beat some sense into him.

And boy, does he have _that_ coming! 😆




haha!! Yes, he is a spoilt brat. I just tried to unpack what this idea of spoilt brat means. Sahil can never be an SSO, even if Anika spoils him with love and affection. It is a particular class mentality that is part of one's upbringing and Shivay is very much the product of that. The family connections and blue-blood thing is part of that very mentality-- the idea of a class purity that has to be maintained. If that LAKEER is removed, then the privileges that come with his wealth will also be taken away. So he is not willing to lose any of the privileges that he possesses at present. So, I kind of brought in the example of his charity... as not a step towards removing this LAKEER but simply a display of his POWER to GIVE. He demands to be in a position of domination at all times.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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That is one hell of an analysis. Amazing. I never thought this way! You are absolutely right. He is a mini version of a tyrant & he surely needs someone to kick him in the knee and show his place.

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