Akbar's Heir : Battle of Succession - Salim, Murad, Danial, Khusrau - Page 2

Originally posted by: Kalgi22

Really I had a good reading. Thank you so much Abhay and Radhika. 

Originally posted by: history_geek

Devki,

So, you also noticed the similarity of Salim and Daniyal's face.

Overall, everything was fine in the show as you said, in broad terms. But, one thing which was really off-track were the "thoughts of Salim".

The REEL Salim did not want the throne. ;-P

On the other hand, the REAL Salim left no stone unturned to get the throne, and went to great extent. The other instalment dealing with this issue is under preparation.

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

I missed reading this Abhay...Going to read later today. Thanks much

Originally posted by: Bindu_nhbr

Quite interesting and informative post😊

Thank you Abhay and Radhika😃

The initial statement was indeed a tricky one😆 but was made clear later.

What surprised me was Akbar declaring 12-year old Murad as commander,though nominal and the amount of zeal and confidence Murad exhibited.(In our show,the victory against Mirza Hakim was given to Salim😛)

Was the imprisonment of Mirza's sons for the life time?Hope it is not.

Salim requesting Akbar to name his son(Khurram) and the portrait where Salim is seen bowing at Akbar's feet show the respect but the question is was it out of genuine love and respect or a mere formality.

All the other details abt Murad's passive revolt,Akbar's love for Khasrau and Khurram's succession were worth reading too👏👏

Thanx again😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

Bindu,

Mirza Hakim had 2 sons, both remained in captivity throughout their life, and died in captivity. Their condition was worse then beggars, especially the way Jahangir treated them. His grandsons were also in prison right upto the end of Jahangir's reign , remained in the Gwalior prison for around 2 decades. {From Tuzuk, Vol-2, Pg-203, Ed. Rogers, 1914} .

As Radhika said in the post, imprisoning them from Akbar's or Jahangir's POV can be taken as fine, because, they were also the potential candidates for throne.

But what i did not like is - The worse treatment given to those sons and grandsons of Hakim. When Akbar's uncles and father were struggling for the Mughal throne - Akbar was spared by his uncle.

It was their custom not to involve the kids while deciding the winner of throne. And this custom is something which i appreciate in the Timurids. They kept kids away from the throne related fight.

Akbar was born in 1542. From 1542 to 1544, he stayed in the house of his uncle Askari under the care of his wife in Kandhar . In 1544, Humayun attacked Kandhar as he had promised the fort of Kandhar to the Shah of Persia. Then, Askari transferred Akbar to the care of Kamran in Kabul. Kamran handed over Akbar to his wife and Khanzada Begum - sister of Babur. Later, after capturing the for of Kandhar with Persian help, Humayun attacked Kabul also.

When nothing seemed in sight, then Kamran tried to use Akbar as a human shield but he did not do anything. He surrendered the fort to Humayun and escaped. Akbar was united with his parents.

Did you see, both Askari and Kamran are called "treacherous" brothers of Humayun. They had even helped Sher Shah Suri against Humayun. BUT, they did not BREAK their custom, and did not harm or kill Akbar.

They could have easily done so while Humayun was wandering for help, but despite fighting against Humayun, those brothers did not harm Akbar in those 3 years. On the other hand, he was kept under the care of the wives of these brothers.

But, this sacred custom was broken by Akbar HIMSELF only by imprisoning Mirza Hakim's sons, and later by Jahangir with the grandsons of Hakim, and even later given the "practical" demonstration by Shah Jahan when he came to throne by not only imprisoning but also eliminating the male members, and the same was done by Aurangzeb with Shah Jahan and his brothers. </font>

We skipped mentioning all this on blog post as that was not needed, and now also mentioning only your answer, not the details of that treatment. :)

The portrait which you are mentioning is from Akbarnama, as far as i know when Jahangir was a kid. So, it can be seen as affection of a son for his father, during his childhood.

Thanks Bindu.
Good to know that the post was helpful. Hope i answered your queries well. :)

Originally posted by: history_geek

Bindu,

Mirza Hakim had 2 sons, both remained in captivity throughout their life, and died in captivity. Their condition was worse then beggars, especially the way Jahangir treated them. His grandsons were also in prison right upto the end of Jahangir's reign , remained in the Gwalior prison for around 2 decades. {From Tuzuk, Vol-2, Pg-203, Ed. Rogers, 1914} .

As Radhika said in the post, imprisoning them from Akbar's or Jahangir's POV can be taken as fine, because, they were also the potential candidates for throne.

But what i did not like is - The worse treatment given to those sons and grandsons of Hakim. When Akbar's uncles and father were struggling for the Mughal throne - Akbar was spared by his uncle.

It was their custom not to involve the kids while deciding the winner of throne. And this custom is something which i appreciate in the Timurids. They kept kids away from the throne related fight.

Akbar was born in 1542. From 1542 to 1544, he stayed in the house of his uncle Askari under the care of his wife in Kandhar . In 1544, Humayun attacked Kandhar as he had promised the fort of Kandhar to the Shah of Persia. Then, Askari transferred Akbar to the care of Kamran in Kabul. Kamran handed over Akbar to his wife and Khanzada Begum - sister of Babur. Later, after capturing the for of Kandhar with Persian help, Humayun attacked Kabul also.

When nothing seemed in sight, then Kamran tried to use Akbar as a human shield but he did not do anything. He surrendered the fort to Humayun and escaped. Akbar was united with his parents.

Did you see, both Askari and Kamran are called "treacherous" brothers of Humayun. They had even helped Sher Shah Suri against Humayun. BUT, they did not BREAK their custom, and did not harm or kill Akbar.

They could have easily done so while Humayun was wandering for help, but despite fighting against Humayun, those brothers did not harm Akbar in those 3 years. On the other hand, he was kept under the care of the wives of these brothers.

But, this sacred custom was broken by Akbar HIMSELF only by imprisoning Mirza Hakim's sons, and later by Jahangir with the grandsons of Hakim, and even later given the "practical" demonstration by Shah Jahan when he came to throne by not only imprisoning but also eliminating the male members, and the same was done by Aurangzeb with Shah Jahan and his brothers.

We skipped mentioning all this on blog post as that was not needed, and now also mentioning only your answer, not the details of that treatment. :)

The portrait which you are mentioning is from Akbarnama, as far as i know when Jahangir was a kid. So, it can be seen as affection of a son for his father, during his childhood.

Thanks Bindu.
Good to know that the post was helpful. Hope i answered your queries well. :)