A complex relationship

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FOR A COUPLE OF hundred years now, each generation of fathers has passed on less and less to his sons--not just less power but less wisdom. And less love. We finally reached a point where many fathers were largely irrelevant in the lives of their sons. The baby was thrown out with the bathwater, and the pater dismissed with the patriarchy. Everyone seemed to be floundering around not knowing what to do with men or with their problematic and disoriented masculinity.
I do not know of power but less wisdom and love is true. Parents especially fathers are so scared to give independence to sons that leads to lots of conflicts. Fathers are scared that their sons may become more powerful than them and want to hold on to that power in a family etc till the last. Love and time are things that keep reducing with each generation not only by a father but by mother and even siblings, that is how friends become more of a family in times of need and sometimes these friends misguide us for their benefits. This happened with salim who was more close to friends and they always misguide him ex for bhagawat etc
The struggles between fathers and sons are legendary. In the minds of some fathers, a son holds such promise, offering them an opportunity to relive an "improved" version of their own childhood. Conversely, in the minds of some sons, being fathered means carrying the weight of responsibility to satisfy a father's dreams and destinations. This makes for quite a combustible mixture; especially as the autonomy of middle and late adolescence kicks in, leaving dreams and destinations in the dust.
As children, sons idolize their dads and think they can do anything. This identification is most often demonstrated by a son's imitation of his father's behavior by walking like him, talking like him or wearing his clothes or shoes. At this age, a son wants so much to please his father and receive his approval and acceptance.
This was the initial period where Salim as a kid was in awe and also scared of Akbar. The trying to please daddy could be seen in his struggles to learn archery and sword fighting after being made fun off by haider and Murad. But this phase was cut short at age of 9 when he was sent to war field.

As teens, sons experience a period of discord in which conflict is the central theme they share. They often reject the expectations, values and directions their fathers have embraced and take on more non-traditional philosophies, placing them regularly at odds with one other. The teen may resent or even fear his father depending on the intensity of their differences, at times, carrying over into the son's early twenties.

This is the current phase Salim is in. His values are different, his views of world is different, his parents may have problems with him going to watch a dance or have friendship with anarkali a courtesean but Salim does not think he is wrong. Look at how he treated that old woman with whom he stayed as a own relation or calls her grandson as his brother. Typical teenage years where you are out to change the world, bring new system, values and culture. This exists even today in 21st century where parents may not like us playing with a maids kid, or with slum kids on street, or a car drivers child becoming friends with us in school etc(RTE act where posh schools do not want to allow poor kids in schools because rich parents do not want lower strata kids to mingle with their kids). Salim is always in odds with Akbar as their thinking their values their way of living etc differ. Salim never had qualms about loving a courtesean Anarkali or a widow Nur Jahan. Akbar too married a widow, divorcee and a commoner girls but as parent he would never accept his son doing the same.
As young adults, the father-son relationship enters into a period of evolving. Distance may still exist emotionally and they may even ignore each other. The conscious attempts at being different than one's father so characteristic in the discord stage begin to appear more like competition. Competition with another can be viewed as one of the most indirect but highest forms of flattery that exists. Mark Twain once said, " When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years."
Salim shall enter this phase at age of 24-25 years and this lasts till 34 years of age. Yesterday in Siyasat serial there is a very poignant scene. Salim catches Amar Singh and Karan Singh who are son and grandson of Maharana Pratap but leaves them unarmed and with respect. When Akbar gets angry and blasts Salim saying he should have ended war by demanding Pratap surrender or atleast senmt Amar Singh head as gift to Pratap for the long years he had dared evade Mughals, Salim says but why dad? Pratap is old and may not live long. Amar Singh once he becomes king may turn friendly towards us as now he knows we are not bad. In history too once Amar Singh was defeated Jehangir returned all his land and treated him with respect even hugging him in ajmer while meeting him and teaching Karan hunting etc. Also when he came to know Shakti Singh helped Pratap in battle of haldighatti to escape by killing 4 Mughal afghan soldiers he forgives Shakti singh and tells him to go back to Pratap despite entire Mughal court baying for Shakti singh blood. See that conscious effort to be different from his father. Salim was a good warrior but never modelled himself as a great conqueror.
As adults in their 30's and 40's, sons begin to move into the stage of acceptance toward their fathers. They have begun to forgive, recognize strengths and even admire the qualities that once seemed so out of step with their previous "know it all" manner of thinking. They begin to accept each other's differences. Fathers and sons often become friends during this time, share common interests and express opinions without heated exchanges. The son may even experience challenges as a father with his own son. Charles Wadsworth once said, " By the time a man realizes that maybe his father was right, he usually has a son who thinks he's wrong."
Well well Salim never reached this stage to appreciate his father when alive(may be in last year of Akbars life). But in jehangirnama once while having mangoes he feels sad that daddy dearest is not with him to enjoy those anymore. Also that fact that he never bad mouth his dad although he had differences with him when alive in his auto biography shows he had reached that stage of forgiveness and admiration of his fathers ability. (Compare that to a Shah Jahan biography or a Auragnzeb who are so critical of their fathers- they never reached maturity or understanding or had too much hatred filled in their hearts against fathers to realize it- in short they never grew up or they did not have the inner strength to forgive and forget)
In their 50's, older adult sons become a legacy of their father's influence for better and worse. Time tempers painful memories and in their place often remains admiration and respect for the difficult job being a father must have been. Older adult sons who have not yet resolved those issues with their elderly or deceased fathers, however, typically see them replayed with their teenage or young adult sons. If elderly fathers are still living, an ironic role reversal occurs with older adult sons beginning to take care of their aging fathers. Perhaps the best revenge is to live long enough to be a problem to your children.
Well Jehangir reached this stage faster in his 30s only because his son Khusrau revolted against him making him realize what a tough thing it is for fathers to handle when son revolts. That is when he finally reconciled with Akbar and went back to him.
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Wow, you floor us with you intellectual thought provoking insights of the past and present😊


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interesting! will revert later! good points!
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Akbar and Bairam Khan relationship
As children, sons idolize their dads and think they can do anything. This identification is most often demonstrated by a son's imitation of his father's behavior by walking like him, talking like him or wearing his clothes or shoes. At this age, a son wants so much to please his father and receive his approval and acceptance.
Look at Akbar wrt to BK relationship. Akbar idolized BK and did whatever he told. BK was like that one superstar we adore who can do no wrong and whose all decisions are correct. He learned to be a ruthless warrior just like BK was. This phase lasted till 16 years when he slowly started having conflicts with BKs way of thinking.

As teens, sons experience a period of discord in which conflict is the central theme they share. They often reject the expectations, values and directions their fathers have embraced and take on more non-traditional philosophies, placing them regularly at odds with one other. The teen may resent or even fear his father depending on the intensity of their differences, at times, carrying over into the son's early twenties.

Akbar and BK started having major differences from when Akbar was 16 years. Akbar did not want to be as ruthless with enemies and sometimes not kill them, may be allow them to live if they accepted his leadership even after defeat. But BK was a strict task master he had only one rule kill the enemy after defeat, punish the servant if he disobeys etc. To add fuel to this difference was Maham anga who was considered as mother by Akbar. Mother plays such a important place in a father-son relationship especially in teenage years and till a son is 30-35 years. From age of 15 till 35 a father and son hardly communicate with each other. They find faults with each others way of working, values, culture, living etc. A son thinks father is thinking like old generation and his thinking is of a new generation and father thinks son is trying to dissent against his rule as head of family. That is what happened between BK and Akbar as well as Akbar and Salim and with Jehangir and Shah Jahan etc. Luckily for Akbar, BK accepted to go to haj and was killed on the way thus eliminating the fight once and for all. But unluckily for Salim and Shah Jahan their fathers lived till their mid 30s that led to insecurity and revolts.
Why did a Salim revolt against Akbar?
- Real reason was he was scared he may die young without becoming king and wanted to become one fast. Why was he scared of death at such a young age? Well because he was an wine and opium addict and health was failing him fast. This was a real reason he declared himself parallel king.
- Second reason was because he had a different way of thinking of how the kingdom should be ruled. And he felt till his father is alive he cannot experiment his thoughts and way of ruling hence he refused to obey Akbar's orders after age of 30.
- Third reason not confirmed by Akbarnama and Jehangirnama is his failed love affair with Meherunissa aka Nur Jahan where she was married off to Ali Quli although Salim had loved her and wanted her as his wife. No surprise that this is not in official records of Mughals, failed love sagas were never recorded in official biographies.
Why did Shah Jahan revolt against Jehangir?
- He was fed up with all the games Nur Jahan was playing with him keeping him away from agra the seat of power and he felt he was doing all work like winning wars and Nur Jahan was taking credit of it and enjoying fruits of his work
- He was scared that since his younger brother Shariyar was Nur Jahan's son in law Nur Jahna may make him king and thru him cling on to power while he was the defacto crown prince from childhood(because Akbar felt he was best suited to be king and later jehangir also gave him privileges although he was his third son not eldest)
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prem please come to your cc and answer some of my questions!
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

prem please come to your cc and answer some of my questions!

what is CC?
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your cc about siyaasat discussions!
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza



your cc about siyaasat discussions!

OH okk sure will read and reply
some work after an hour or so
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