ABBA HUZOOR, his Waliahad & harem politics DT Note Pg 73 - Page 54

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh

No one is denying that Jalal nurtured Maan but becoz Maan was worth it...and Jalal knew that he will reap great benefits from him...I have no where lessening his role in it...This marriage with Amerians proved very very beneficial to Jalal mainly...It opened a gateway for him among Rajputs...He not just got wife and kids from this marriage but a whole family with unflinching loyalty...So a statement like "What has Maan done for Jalal ?" is not right...I will say both were mutually beneficial to each other...

Now I will come to another things ...When JJ relationship is mentioned then all Jalal supporters are united in saying that Jalal was born great( I am skeptical) and he needed no Jodha to bring out finer qualities in him...but when Maan is talked about then the one who nurtures is considered great...


Jalal provided the scope and premises for Maan to bloom.
The Empire was his.

Jodha was Jalal's emotional support and a catalyst in his becoming Akbar. She didn't provided the base. She didn't make him Emperor. He was already one and he had the instincts of fairness and justice in him as well even before he met her.

Jalal would have been remembered in history even without jodha. But Jodha is remembered or discussed only because of Akbar.

Again if Jalal chose to groom MS it was his choice. Jodha had no choices. She had to make the best out of the man she had.


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh


Sandhya i don't understand your comment at all. Please explain

Ela
i meant that I would have appreciated it more had jodha fought for ms on grounds of his Valor bravery and loyalty and not his community. There are good men and bad in all communities.
Edited by Sandhya.A - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Read only wu really hb wants to see jo with that crown weird taste 😆and she wants jalal to pacify jo why she didn't adviced jo not to mingle their hubby and wife fight with their son's important function and why everyone wants king to wait for his queen oh i forget marium makani and muz are bigger than a king in this serial !!!!!! đŸ„±
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Posted: 10 years ago
well this argument has no end. we can look at it in different ways. but the fact is neither noone can take away anything from maan singh nor from jalal. jalal-MS relationship is not dependent on favors. its much more than tht. evryone has their own contributions in jalal's life. whether its jodha-MS or SB-rahim. definitely jodha-MS had played a very imp. role in jalal's life, but the fact is jalal could have been gr8 even without jodha-MS or he wouldnt have been akbar even with jodha-MS. the point is its jalal who chose to hear the right advises & pick & choose the right people in his life. u can give advises to a person but it depends on tht person to act accordingly. SB-rahim has equal contributions in jalal's life. it was never about a single person. akbar is akbar not bcoz of sumone's "favors", he is akbar bcoz choose to do the right things in right time. infact, its easy to give advises but it was not easy for jalal to apply them. he had to face lots of protests for applying tirthkar or jigiya which only he had to face & deal with. the point is its all about teamwork. sachin tendulkar & sourav ganguly were greatest batsmen & their contributions r huge, but tht doesnt mean team india cant do well without them. if sachin & sourav were not there, then also india could have been at the top. they didnt do any "favours" to india. yes they r here bcoz of their talents, but then its imp to pick up the right talent at right time. if they were not selected, their talent had no value.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: chembi

Read only wu really hb wants to see jo with that crown weird taste 😆and she wants jalal to pacify jo why she didn't adviced jo not to mingle their hubby and wife fight with their son's important function and why everyone wants king to wait for his queen oh i forget marium makani and muz are bigger than a king in this serial !!!!!! đŸ„±


hats off to MUZ & marium makhani. so wht the evidences r against maan singh?? he should have left maan singh just like tht. so wht maan singh is just nazarband, jalal had done biggest crime by acting on the evidences. 😆when jodha accused TM just on the basis of one evidence she is passionate & she is right bcoz she cant see "istree ki pida", tht time dear sasuma didnt fought with jodha on the basis of TM's loyalty. infact, it was HB who had said once how TM had protected humayun's queens but when TM was accused she was mum. but now she is in full form about MS's loyalty. really selective feminism ki jai ho. 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: munnirony

well this argument has no end. we can look at it in different ways. but the fact is neither noone can take away anything from maan singh nor from jalal. jalal-MS relationship is not dependent on favors. its much more than tht. evryone has their own contributions in jalal's life. whether its jodha-MS or SB-rahim. definitely jodha-MS had played a very imp. role in jalal's life, but the fact is jalal could have been gr8 even without jodha-MS or he wouldnt have been akbar even with jodha-MS. the point is its jalal who chose to hear the right advises & pick & choose the right people in his life. u can give advises to a person but it depends on tht person to act accordingly. SB-rahim has equal contributions in jalal's life. it was never about a single person. akbar is akbar not bcoz of sumone's "favors", he is akbar bcoz choose to do the right things in right time. infact, its easy to give advises but it was not easy for jalal to apply them. he had to face lots of protests for applying tirthkar or jigiya which only he had to face & deal with. the point is its all about teamwork. sachin tendulkar & sourav ganguly were greatest batsmen & their contributions r huge, but tht doesnt mean team india cant do well without them. if sachin & sourav were not there, then also india could have been at the top. they didnt do any "favours" to india. yes they r here bcoz of their talents, but then its imp to pick up the right talent at right time. if they were not selected, their talent had no value.



True that this debate is endless...just to draw another parallel - did Jalal become so great because BK nurtured him so, or because he was born great. Similar is the case in Jalal - MS equation.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Ela
i meant that I would have appreciated it more had jodha fought for ms on grounds of his Valor bravery and loyalty and not his community. There are good men and bad in all communities.

Sandhya I agree that good and bad ppl are in every community including rajputs...but honestly did Jo was talking abt Maan to be released becoz Maan was Rajput..She meant that since rajputs are supposed to be loyal and her family has been loyal to Jalal so this was the sense Jo was talking..What will Jo say abt bravery and valor and all that? Bekaar ki baat hai child kidnapping case main...Only loyalty matters and Jo is talking abt rajwanshi loyalty? It is not a communal thing Sandhya..Maan if wanted to hurt Jallu or Salim then he would have done it during Chittor war itself...Chittor war is a blot on Maan's image and he will never be forgiven for it...but like Karna of Mahabharat Maan stood by Jalal...So we have to give him that and no where have I said that Jalal was wrong to do nazarbandi of Maan..He is right too as a king...but so is Jo in her place...Maan is her family and she should fight for him...Even if Maan has never stood for her...Actually both JJ are wrong and cant see that solution to all their problems lies in Salim himself..
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Posted: 10 years ago
I have a koshtin - as per the reel ishtory ofcourse - when Jalal and Jodha marriage occured Maan Singh was about 12 or 13 - and before that there was a conglomeration of all Rajput kingdoms in Amer when Jodha's first engagement to Suryabhan happened - so how none of the other Rajwanshis including Suryabhan and MP for that matter did not spot the potential and latent characteristic of greatness in Maan Singh and how was it that this came out when Maan Singh was taken under his wing by Jalal ??? Was Jalal then a better paarkhi and a better mentor ??? Was Jalal the only one who was not afraid of the potential in Maan Singh ???
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: adiana12

I have a koshtin - as per the reel ishtory ofcourse - when Jalal and Jodha marriage occured Maan Singh was about 12 or 13 - and before that there was a conglomeration of all Rajput kingdoms in Amer when Jodha's first engagement to Suryabhan happened - so how none of the other Rajwanshis including Suryabhan and MP for that matter did not spot the potential and latent characteristic of greatness in Maan Singh and how was it that this came out when Maan Singh was taken under his wing by Jalal ??? Was Jalal then a better paarkhi and a better mentor ??? Was Jalal the only one who was not afraid of the potential in Maan Singh ???

becoz amer did not share close relations with chittor and if only Jalal's mentoring was so good then why Salim did not become a great warrior?
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Posted: 10 years ago
Folks maybe i sound feudal and extremist but Akbar and mansingh are both sons of India...good or bad...loyal, disloyal gain toh apne hi log! This forum also has people from other countries...lets not get into clan wars at least where it can be mocked by outsiders. I too have been taking sides, but only to regret later, we can discuss as much about reel characters but try to keep aside you difference of opinions on real ones.
Edited by chitterati - 10 years ago

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