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Posted: 9 years ago
Indi read your 298. What to say about the episode. The whole episode to me as a matter of fact the whole birthday sequence seemed very forced one. Everything the guy did went down the drain. All his efforts were meaningless. Instead of going one step forward relation went 2 steps backwards. Not sure what was the reason behind this? TRP? Story? Creatives? 
They did celebrate her birthday in a very ASR way but the guy was just pestled between the two women in his life. Anjali part - I FF it all the time as i feel insult to watch it.  

Why just Khushi even ASR character did a peek a boo. 

Why can they not just make limited no of episodes or have seasons for the shows like they have it here. And then we all can enjoy the show endlesslyπŸ˜ƒ
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: kizh72

Indi di, it really was bad writing to show khushi as insensitive." bina matlab ki banawati cheezen" Didn't get that, when she had a pleased look on her face on seeing, what he had set up for her. Really bad writing, and grave injustice to khushi's character. I dont' think she was ever petty, she had her reasons for being upset, but she had looked as if she wanted to move on from that. Oh well.

bingo - she was so pleased with everything he did. It did effect her. But she was way beyond unreasonable. She was the one with the double standards here. 
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: BHAVII


bingo - she was so pleased with everything he did. It did effect her. But she was way beyond unreasonable. She was the one with the double standards here.


Bhavii, the writing had taken a real nose dive here. They played around a lot with khushi's character. Sad really, it was such a refreshing character to begin with. I've been watching some of the old episodes, they didn't continue with the same quality in writing later on.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: kizh72


Bhavii, the writing had taken a real nose dive here. They played around a lot with khushi's character. Sad really, it was such a refreshing character to begin with. I've been watching some of the old episodes, they didn't continue with the same quality in writing later on.

Thats why i said why can not we have limited episode. I heard in many interviews that they do not have pool of the episodes and under stress they work. So what can we expect from them. 
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Posted: 9 years ago
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thanks for reading 298, bhavii... the sad this is, it could have been a great week of khushi's birhday, asr trying to get her to forgive him and have a good time... i can see he wonderful "nok-jhok" almost before me. how difficult is it to make this birthday a real memorable one... and get that trp going too.

things like teej have had a remarkable impact on trp.

so, i am mystified by this whole situation.

sad... and if khushi's bday was bizarre, asr's was maddening painful and made me want to scream.

yet, i love looking at these two and watching them act. paradox. πŸ˜†

you talk of seasons... it is a sound idea. but will the crazy indian tv system ever adopt it?
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Originally posted by: indi52

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thanks for reading 298, bhavii... the sad this is, it could have been a great week of khushi's birhday, asr trying to get her to forgive him and have a good time... i can see he wonderful "nok-jhok" almost before me. how difficult is it to make this birthday a real memorable one... and get that trp going too.

things like teej have had a remarkable impact on trp.

so, i am mystified by this whole situation.

sad... and if khushi's bday was bizarre, asr's was maddening painful and made me want to scream.

yet, i love looking at these two and watching them act. paradox. πŸ˜†

you talk of seasons... it is a sound idea. but will the crazy indian tv system ever adopt it?


I wish i knew more about the audience and all that. Have watched just couple of soaps todate and they all followed same trend. And now have reached a point that if by mistake girls watch the show with me they look at me with compassionπŸ˜† for bearing torture at times. 

But it would be great and refreshing to watch the same shows after 3 months break and do wonders.  This way quality of the show will not suffer and audience too will wait for it πŸ˜ƒ

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Originally posted by: indi52

episode 297


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ghRKcXSNY&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]


she was a clear bright untouched innocent girl with a definite streak of whimsy... maybe a bit of lunacy too. she was sunny and warm and happy and she loved from her heart, no, from the bottom of her toes with every bit of her self and soul, even those reserved for jalebi eating frenzy. she couldn't bear to see anyone hurt. and if she loved someone and they were in any sort of trouble, she was prepared to take all their woes herself and fill their lives with happiness. she would go to any extent to make sure those she loved were not hurt. and she did it all with the lightest of touch and a fey air and an optimistic heart that had the power of vishwas. not for nothing was her name khushi.
Just loved what you said about Khsuhi, I must say the perfect analysis of Khushi's character.

he was a guy who had been robbed mercilessly by life and had shut himself from the heartlessness of this world. he had set out to restore his sister and his broken lives, trusting only himself. working hard, working relentlessly, depending on his dimag, amassing power and wealth, the two things he reckoned the world respected, feared and did not mess with.

they met. they clashed, they hated each other, they bristled around each other, and then one day she said, yessir i put mango juice in your shoes... because i didn't get orange juice and he smiled.

cut. through.

something happened to his heart, you could see it in his eyes. arnav singh raizada could perhaps resist everything on earth, but not miss khushi kumari gupta's sanak. i have always felt that mad streak, that innocence, that complete pagal thing was what got him bad. if she were merely a good girl with a big heart, he may have cared for her, admired her. if she were gutsy and strong, he'd have respected her. if she were beautiful, he would have desired her... but she was all of that and she was sanka devi, titalitya. how not to be smitten by her, huh.
well said. Khushi is like a pristine pearl. Now I can understand why they showed pearls in the first episode and why they showed ASR treasured those pearls. And what a perfect casting! Sanaya Irani's beauty is ethereal. We saw so many beautiful actresses, but Sanaya's beauty is different, something interspersed with sexiness and innocence.

i like that also because then character design had meaning. that sanak had a role.

a slight reversal of roles now. he is doing everything he can to make her happy, because he has hurt her. of course in asr vein, it was, "main tumhe wapas paa loonga", "but i will bring you back, tumhe wapis jeetke rahoonga", he has said he will get her back and make her part of his life, he will win her back. a little win lose has to feature of course.

he is willing to go to lengths he wouldn't for anyone else. they had had the most horrendous of disagreements. she wanted to leave him. he was doing all he could to not let her go. in the middle of that, he realises it is her birthday and he had not even know, in fact he had gone raving and ranting to her aunt's place to threaten her and bring her back when he was tartly informed by bua ji.

she was really angry and upset with him. and for some odd reason it had been decided that he had a huge problem with wishing anyone happy birthday. murphy's law... that is the only thing she wanted from him. which would make her happy, bring a smile to her lips... all that he wants is to see that smile back.

in a mahaepisode, almost 42 minutes were devoted to showing many things, mostly with an accent on humour, his efforts to wish her, to buy her a gift, to bring her back... to win her back.

she was having none of it. sorry, if you can't wish me, i am not going to thaw.
it was kind of annoying.

so he did all sorts of things including eating a tonne of poories and following bua ji around like a lost child... was this asr? 
Sanka devi changed his personality. Or i can assume his brain was partially kidnapped while he was with rocky and gang.

while it was a pleasant enough episode, nothing really touched me...

except for one scene.

and i have to say only sanaya irani could look as fetching as she did in that fairly ghastly velvet tent.
she was looking a little more beautiful in this episode. I couldn't take me eyes off from her. I actually didn't dislike this tent that much. liked the color combination. And her milky complexion was glowing with the peach tone.

cut to the scene.

he happened to hear khushi and bua ji talking in the room while he washed his hands outside... again that broken mirror, perhaps a reminder that things were at a point of breaking... he peered in and found bua ji insiting on driving evil spirits away with her hot dried chilli technique and khushi in a fit of sanka at her cuckoo and loving best with her favourite aunt, talking nonsense and being jhalii sankadevi. 
this scene was damn cute!

as he watched her, his whole world seemed to fill with sunshine.

there's nothing he loved more than to see her happy. happy and sankafied, that was like three scoops of icecream with a cherry on top. she brought sweetness to her diabetic's life. a sweetness that overpowered the bitterness of his world and made him smile. 
Yup, Khushi is sweeter than any sweets of the world. Who needs sugar who has such a sweet wife like Khushi.

and he did. i just shook my head at the beauty of this simple moment. could have been soppy and sugary, but was not. you could feel his heartstrings give way... especially when he broke into that smile. you could feel that tender love of his for this beautiful girl. his eyes went mellow and loving, his smile was the sweetest ever. she was the most precious thing to him, he'd do anything to keep her safe warm happy feeling loved and far from the bedardi of ad. just one scene... and all the discomfort i had been feeling was set aside. because this was what it was all about. this love. the essential connect of asr and khushi that went way beyond right wrong good bad who is better who is worse.πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

and how he loved her. especially, when she was unselfconsciously and completely khushi. he'd look at her, she often not even aware of him or his gaze, and fall for her... pagal... pagal hai par cute hai.

as for the bag, well she had him nicely properly and rightly bagged. while on the b word, asr i don't think would ever tell her the price of her bday gift, though that doh lakh produced much mirth and the actors were all rather good in that last rm sequence. also, couldnt they have found a slightly nicer looking bag?πŸ˜† i do understand khushi's point about the long handle... a girl has the right to be particular about her bag teehee.

and sorry, asr definitely would not call khushi "aap", nor write such a foolish message. so the red rose scene is deteriorating to tearjerker stuff, very forced.
I also mentioned it in my take. ASR never called Khushi aap, could be the flower guy's mistake. Trying to justify cvs's carelessness. 

back to the scene that got me... barun sobti, sanaya irani and abha parmar were spectacular in it. they worked to create a feeling that is so precious, you feel like putting it away somewhere safe, taking care of it yourself. i am sure they didn't even shoot at the same time. in fact the physical gap you can sense. but the emotions just come through flawlessly.

sanaya as i mentioned looked utterly lovely and khushi. interedtingly barun was looking a bit down and dank today, but that was good, because despite that, asr did shine... said what good actor i was watching. and uff the slightly oily, a little too long flying hair... hawa mein udta jaaye...

as i watched him i thought of the other times i have seen him in that smitten or about to fall flat state... and a vm pretty much suggested itself. i hope you like it. it's not too long and i have not added any jalebi swirls to it, a simple straightforward piece. about that happiness in the heart...



thought
i did feel pretty bad for the guy at the way khushi who wouldn't hurt anyone made him suffer over his gift and hit back at him. i liked that in a way though, because it said to me she had a certain ease in her relationship with him, she could show her anger if she needed to, or her hurt... everywhere else, khushi never shows her tears, her own needs. in a milieu where girls are constantly taught to, exhorted to, made to, fit in and never think of their own individual needs and aspirations, this always being pleasant and caring of others never of yourself becomes the way i guess. it happens in many places, not just middle class gomti sadan india.
i also felt bad for him. Khushi could be indignant for those poignant words what he uttered but she at least should appreciate his gesture.
 Khushi is very giving and selfless kind of girl. It's not because of her modest middle class upbringing, but as she is an orphan, she perhaps learned not to expect anything from anybody.

... but he and she had a different equation from the beginning. something they shared with no one else. he would take her angry outbursts and modify his plans, though making sure she got some hell in the bargain... can't imagine anyone else getting away with the things khushi did when it came to this khadoos. no one would dare to tell him anything, but she would. and he never expected her to fit in, be less... in fact, he wanted her to take her "haq" and fought with even his dadi over this. i found his asking her to claim him as hers and exercise her right over him very very moving. and essentially all he wanted was to see her smile.


hona tha pyaar
a beautiful song by atif aslam and hadiqa kiani


hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen
hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend (lover)
hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend

aaye nazar, chehre hazaar
i did see thousands of faces

hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend
hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen

tere dil ke shehar mein... ghar mera ho gaya..ho gaya...
in the city of your heart, got my house... just did
sapna dekha jo tune, wo mera ho gya...ho gya...
the dreams you saw, became mine... just became mine

doobey to yuun... jaise ho paar...
we drowned as if it were the shore... (did i get that right?)

hona tha pyaar... hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend
hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen

thaamey dilo ki baahein, hum aate saalo mein.. saalo mein...
holding the arms of our hearts... in the years that came
paaye jawab humne, tere sawalo mein... sawalo mein...
i found answers in your questions... in your questions
khwabon ki dor... tootey naa yaar...
this thread of dreams, may it never break, my friend

hona tha pyaar...hua mere yaar...
love had to happen and it did, my friend
hona tha pyaar...
love had to happen



Enjoyed your take and the VM.
All the blue lines I marked blue are my favorite and my comments are in purple.
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Sohara,

thanks so much for reading 297. glad you enjoyed. yeah I think your thought that part of asr's dimaag was kidnapped by the baddies just might be true... πŸ˜†

i am nowhere near my comp and can't write properly, really appreciate your lines in purple. i feel bad for khushi because they really took so much away from her after starting out so right. and anyway, I go nuts when i see girls being curbed to fit patriarchal stereotypes. khushi is not an object of creating and managing family, society... she is a person, an individual... I loved the fact that asr always treated her like that. i feel almost tearful when I think of the many times he asked her to take what was her right to take, make him hers and demand. from day one, whether he was tormenting her or loving her she was an individual, one he never tried to change or mould or make convenient. he said as much to her... don't change. 

this was such a beautiful message in the mass media, and such a lovely track it would have made... 

think we'll ever get a season 2 where asr will love jhalli so much that she will come back to us again as we knew and loved her and they will be in their crazy nok jhok world forever being who they are and loving truly forever?




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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: indi52

episode 298



di, yeh... maine mangwaye hain. di, i ordered these.

tumne mangwaye hain? you ordered these?

aaj wo... yes, today...

hamare liye? for me?

he was a little unsure as to how to handle this, his sister thought the red roses were for her but he had bought them for the girl whose birthday he really wanted to celebrate. he was wooing her in fact, dammit. trying to get her to be happy, forget the fight and the bitter words of the night before.

then anjali hugged him, and a tenderness came over him as he felt her in his arms... she had been in such a bad shape...

a hand went up to stroke her hair, his face showed his own need to see her well... almost seventy episodes later, as his di suffered terribly in a hospital he actually enunciated these words... when di was a little happy, i would think all was alright again. today he simply let his expression say it. he let her illusion remain. 

haan, di, aap ke liye. yes, di, for you.

and with that he just hugged her, held her in his protective arms, made her safe again. every relationship has its place and need. he faced a challenge not unfamiliar to most of us. when, though his heart absolutely yearned for someone he loved and he had bought something as simple as her favorite flowers for her on her birthday, he just could not give it to her.

because at that very moment, another love needed to be cared for, given strength. and his beloved stood right behind watching the whole scene, clearly understanding the problem and approving of the choice he made. yet, in his own way, with only his eyes to tell her exactly how much she mattered to him and who he wanted to give those roses to, he said, of course he knew whose favourite flowers these were when his sister presumed he meant her. khushi's smile, which had peeped out already, became slightly bigger.

i liked the communication between asr and khushi here. the only thing that said what the in the head, was that message that asr just couldn't have written. apart from its tone, he never called khushi "aap".


i guess birthdays are about relationships in many ways. payal, who had also been trying to celebrate her beloved younger sister's birthday without much success till now, waylaid her when no one was around, holding her gift behind her, hiding it. khushi rose to the bait instantly. the girl obviously loves her birthday and a whole set of rituals are observed diligently by her family to mark it.

wasn't it on payal's birthday, when she had plans of organising a little surprise party that the man who was now looking at her with an ocean of love in his eyes had been instrumental in drowning her in a deluge? of an awareness that seeped through and poured all over and drenched the mind and body. and then there was the rain, of course.

a lovely little prattle between sisters.

kya chhupa rahi hai?
what are you hiding?

tumhara sar. your head.

she wants her gift, loves that leg pulling on her bday... khushi is looking happy and herself. the gota on the saree gets special attention. (how come that saree too was never seen again? another bday ritual, maybe?)

tum hamesha hamesha hamehsha hamesha hamesha khush raho.
may you always always always always always be happy.

payal makes a fervent wish for her sister. hamesha. it was always about that. especially today.


i feel bad for deepika pansare, a good actress, she portrayed an interesting payal, a girl who was quieter and more composed as compared to khushi, but who had depth, integrity and who was capable of thinking with clarity, she even had a steely determination, clear sense of right and wrong and tried to tackle all problems head on, facing them and often viewing issues in a rational, intelligent manner. and she never ever sounded preachy or achhi bahu, managing to look like a real person despite the mandatory tv bahu ridiculous saree, makeup, open hair. in the opening scene of ipk, she was stunning i thought, later in her simple churidars and low key make up with that quiet, lovely air, and surprising little bursts of humour, she was a girl i really liked. there was an intensity in her, a potential one sensed.

she also had a protective, tender, unquestioning love for her sister. a lot like asr's feeling for his di. the sisters shared a strong and sparkling tie, how they had dreamed together back in the early episodes. payal never knew how key she was in her sister's marriage, but then again, it was thanks to payal, that the two had met in the first place.

chaliye chaliye, miss kkgsr ji, chaliye...
let's go, let's go, miss kkgsr, let's go.

miss kkgsr... cute.

it was nk's turn to wish bday girl. she was delighted with his gift, which was really a promise that he said he'd be her friend... hamesha.

she also said, she didn't mind at all about the roses. to bring a smile on someone's face if asr did it, how could she not like it? she liked his gesture very much.

asr had to hear that, in a touch of heavy, hindi serial direction, and quietly fall apart. poor chap, just wants to see her feeling upbeat and pagal.

when she walked into her room, there was darkness, and then lights. this was no dream from another day, it was actually happening, all those beautiful fairy lights hanging in clusters. she smiled. she must have guessed what was afoot.


i loved the lights, the look, the feel of this sequence. actually, i fell for the man woman thing by the poolside. that's where he had to set up a lovely surprise for his wife of course. though he had informed nk such things were cheesy.

but only asr could make cheesy downright knees knocking hot, i had no doubt. i even liked the cake, nothing fancy, perhaps ordered from this lady who does special ones from her home. khushi saw everything. khushi liked everything. her man's efforts were not lost on her. and i bet she wanted to have him wish her, make her cut that cake, feed it to her... you know all the bay stuff.

behind her, from the dark a man came out,  a curious apprehension in his eyes...

against the blue of the night and sparkling little yellow lights, his brownness was even more stirring... dark chocolate ganache in the after hours.

she gave him a sweet little smile... though she sort of kept her distance. i got the feeling she wanted his wooing.

then bag talk started. fur coat came up... ah, the cause of first rabba ve. maybe they should preserve it in a museum or something, orange juice stain and all.

forget it... bag ko bhool jaao...

the man said in asr vein, not smiling so much any more. instead, focused, goal oriented asr. okay, the little roughness in the voice, the clipped tone, the determined air, i just have to swoon.

birthdays can put funny pressures i think and the unexpected, not at all longed for can start to happen. some sort of crazy dance between two people that really is all about do you love me, show me how. it's an intimate thing... with most wives always complaining that he forgot or in my case, he never forgets but this angst in me around some sort of expectation.


key word i hit. expectation.

from the one you adore... because you want to be his most loved one... esp on that day. your day. oh i loved it when khushi raved about it being her birthday not his. and smiled with him when she planned her revenge. mosquito coil of course took me straight to the chaise longue and the canoodling warring lovers. i fell breathless into the pool when he commanded her to blow candle, saying i have set all this up and you jolly well will do as i say, celebrate, woman. that forced cake cutting, only asr ha ha. and the heavy duty won't give in, while my eyes are saying all sorts of things and my anger is showing love for laad governor, only kkgsr.

the expected janamdin things happened but in a slightly unexpected way.

i am weird i guess, to me all of this just said: super sexual tension, major pyaar.

the party included candle blowing, cake cutting, cake eating, and additional surprise delights like finger jabbing, wrist grabbing, force feeding, a dammit, a step forward step back (which was short but real sweet, intense), eyes going from anger to adoring, birthday tantrum, and a most unique way of joining hands to celebrate.

however, sorry, that whole i don't want all this...

nahin chahiye humey bina matlab ki banawati cheezen.
don't want all these meaningless, pretentious things...

pretentious? meaningless?

that was a senseless one. and very hurtful. okay, she was still mad at him and needed to be appeased. but this was churlish and ridiculous.

and it said, alas, to me... she really did not understand the man she loved at all.

which is funny, because she seems to understand other things pretty well, like why he gave his sis the flowers.

very weak writing. if they wanted to prolong the tension, there were other ways i bet to do it.

by the end of the show, khushi just started seeming totally insensitive. her love for asr hardly coming through. pity.

and that whole he does not know how to say happy birthday... a suddenly thought up story with no meaning, just to create five episodes. whereas the can't say sorry was highly plausible, given the man's personality; and melded beautifully with the story.

c'mon, let's cut the cake...

at least candle toh bujhao, dammit!

stop there right now!

since all these beena matlab ke cheezen mean a lot to me, i'll just be happy with the poolside romance. aww he put the fairy lights because during new year she had this sort of lights in her room. or is it because she just lights up, no fairy lights up his whole life.

even when she is being mean and a brat.

anjali made kheer, brought it up, gatecrashed the party, saw her brother and his wife together, realised it was her birthday, went fairly ballistic, especially about the roses... at last she knew whose favourite they were. in anjali like anger, she chucked the flowers. she recalled
scenes of khushi and her shyam ji in various situations. did she feel perhaps, khushi was taking away both the men she loved and needed from her life? her two mainstays?

she had instinctively known who was the stronger of those two men and clung to him. just the day before she had asked him to make life as it used to be before. he had held her, rock solid, reassuring.

did she feel horribly insecure and turn totally petty because of that... how could you forget everything, chhotey? you'd said i was your world, now when i am in this state you are having fun with your wife.

it all sounded terrible.


yet, had the acting been a bit more nuanced and the direction a little less obvious, including the too pat under dressing and flat colours, i may have still understood this.

it's a crazy state of mind, extreme insecurity. not only asr, she has lost her parents too in a tragic way. and ever since childhood, her handicap has had its own effect, its own cruel play, making her feel all sorts of things that those who don't limp can never understand. chhotey was her anchor, then came shyam ji... things seemed to be better. she reached out for happiness but not too boldly. she did her pooja and path, pacifying the gids, seeking protection, praying nothing should go wrong.

then everything did go wrong.

somewhere i can identify with that broken fragile feeling. even its hysterical, almost vicious questioning of her brother's right to be happy.

but khushi's almost equally vicious rejection of asr, i will never get.

you forgot everything, anjali said of the man who remembered every single thing and tried his best, even if in his laad governor asr way.



"if you aren't in over your head, how do you know how tall you are?"
~~~ t.s. eliot ~~~


Indi πŸ˜Š

a delight to read.I totally agreed what are you saying about Anjali but I do have a slight different look for Khushi.

You said expectation, a right , yes her right on Arnavji which she never had on anyone.you are forgetting that.He gave her this right in such a way that she can do whatever without fear and she is using it here.She wants him from him certain things in certain ways and when he is giving her a rose at 12 and she breaks into tears just seeing him doing all and in pain.She knows it but her expectation was FEELING and LISTENING from him lips that SHE MEANS something to him. A CONTRACT talk which came back did that unsure thing in her head "Aapko para bhi hai jo aap key rage hair usia matlab kya hai" says a lot.


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thanks, mehreen.

i love your reference to right. her haq. he has not yet said the word, but he will. it is true... he is the only one over whom she feels that thing, her right. no compromise. this haq he gave her gave her immeasurable things just as her jhalli mad sunshine girl toyched him in ways difficult to explain. i love this haq thought and really as i just wrot to sohara, maybe un season two we see khushi growing and releasing with that sense of right and live in her.

 have no issues about her raving and ranting. just that when a guy has tried this hard, is it khushi's personality to be so hard? also what was that banawati line? amost wanting to hurt him... not very khushi to me.

i feel the problem was all along in the writing. they never let her say she was terribly hurt with him for saying what he did about shyam and her... and then bringing up that contract. instead they made her say she was not angry with him. huh?

then this whole bday thing was pushed to a ridiculous extreme. 

just my thoughts.

uff a haq track.