Was Jalal a fool? Was he in cahoots with Nigar? Was it all a dream? - Page 6

Hi friends... As I said I m going to put some random thoughts here... for last 2 days so many spoilers and promos and precaps and the actual episodes have given all of us so many mixed feelings... and all of us (including me and Mansi with our constant chat via SMS and PM) r just overbreaking our brains...

I know discussing history is not allowed here... and anyway my history knowledge is very limited compared to others... but still here I ll be giving just 1 / 2 thoughts related to history... and plz, this is not to insult or challenge anybody, but it's just what I felt CVs might be leading us to... And so healthy discussions r more than welcome...

Guys, as far as I know, Jalal / Akbar was never caught , nor defeated in any war after he took over the throne as a king... and still CVs have dared to show it, challenging our limited knowledge of history... so ok... we ll keep our track on this line... So Jalal is captured and as per spoilers Jo will fight alongwith other harem ladies... whether she will rescue Jalal, or he will play some game, that let CVs decide... So what was the need to again show Jodha this way... why the need to show Jalal helpless? R they really showing him helpless, or...

So when I think on this line, one thought came to mind... heard sometime, that real MUZ accompanied Akbar most of the time , whether it was some political tour or it was some war... Many times she was there with him, even when she was pregnant... (this is what I heard, I m not very sure abt it)... And Akbar was very sure abt the ability of yhis queen to fight the war if needed... it's said that she was the one to who was directly involved in saving him twice from the direct attacks on his life ... (akbar suffered 4 such direct attacks in his life , when he was badly hurt)... And after that first time that she saved his life, he used to take her with him , knowing her knowledge abt the war and politics...later she became the only woman in his harem/kingdom to have a 12000 cavalry in her command...guys this is just a small piece of info that is hinting me to think abt...can CVs be using this thing in this track?

That Jalal captured by Mali and company, and Jodha with her bravery manages to reach to him and save him in nick of a time, and then Jalal who is now freed , gathers his strength together after learning that he is going to be a father, and then overpowers his enemies and wins the war... And later pleased with the bravery of his Jo, he gives her the first title , from many she received , Wali E Nimat' (Gift of God)...

Do u think CVs r leading us on this track?? R CVs showing us Jalal being caught and Jo rescuing him, not coz they r showing her mahaan and all, but to show the thing I said before that MUZ is said to be directly involved in saving Akbar twice...

I could thought like this after the new promo came out... what u think?

There is more to think ... that in next post...

"Having said this piece, there was only onne other peripheral scene in the episode which took place in Kabul and not on the battlefront. Haider started making cow eyes at Mahchuchak's daughter, but then Mahchuchak in front of Haider condemned another man to have his eyes boiled out because he was caught looking at someone else's wife! That was a lesson she was giving Haider to keep his eyes to himself. What this scene achieved beats me."

Originally posted by: Rak014

I think we should wait!😊

Jalal showing love for his sister in war-field is not an offence! Any human would do that! He knows that Abul-Mali and CB are just using nigaar to get the takth! Being a shahenshah its his duty to bring back nigaar safely from their clutches and give her back her rights!

I dont understand why Jodha and her hunars are held responsible for every action of jalal! So much hatred for Jodha? Well what if she is as strong as jalal?

If jalal had not cared for nigaar and killed her mercilessly in battle-field, wouldnt that have been a dhoka to his father humayun or mughul-sultanate? That farmam says nigaar is the rightful owner of the takth! And any person with ethics should hand over the takth to her!

Now this goodness of jalal will save him! Tomorrow when nigaar learns the truth and realises that mahaC and abulmali were just using her, she may whole-heartedly regret for her actions unlika MA! And even if Jalal offers her the takth after all this, she may refuse to accept that and give it back to Jalal! Wouldnt that be great?

Being good to someone will only do good for you!😊

And i dont think begums will release jalal! Once he is freed from those chains he will chop off any number of soldiers who come in front of him! I am sure, he will get himself freed some how and come to save his harem!

Jalal is not weak! Every humans have emotions, but people with bad intentions like shehnaaz, exploits them!

well said Raks...

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi friends... As I said I m going to put some random thoughts here... for last 2 days so many spoilers and promos and precaps and the actual episodes have given all of us so many mixed feelings... and all of us (including me and Mansi with our constant chat via SMS and PM) r just overbreaking our brains...

I know discussing history is not allowed here... and anyway my history knowledge is very limited compared to others... but still here I ll be giving just 1 / 2 thoughts related to history... and plz, this is not to insult or challenge anybody, but it's just what I felt CVs might be leading us to... And so healthy discussions r more than welcome...

Guys, as far as I know, Jalal / Akbar was never caught , nor defeated in any war after he took over the throne as a king... and still CVs have dared to show it, challenging our limited knowledge of history... so ok... we ll keep our track on this line... So Jalal is captured and as per spoilers Jo will fight alongwith other harem ladies... whether she will rescue Jalal, or he will play some game, that let CVs decide... So what was the need to again show Jodha this way... why the need to show Jalal helpless? R they really showing him helpless, or...

So when I think on this line, one thought came to mind... heard sometime, that real MUZ accompanied Akbar most of the time , whether it was some political tour or it was some war... Many times she was there with him, even when she was pregnant... (this is what I heard, I m not very sure abt it)... And Akbar was very sure abt the ability of yhis queen to fight the war if needed... it's said that she was the one to who was directly involved in saving him twice from the direct attacks on his life ... (akbar suffered 4 such direct attacks in his life , when he was badly hurt)... And after that first time that she saved his life, he used to take her with him , knowing her knowledge abt the war and politics...later she became the only woman in his harem/kingdom to have a 12000 cavalry in her command...guys this is just a small piece of info that is hinting me to think abt...can CVs be using this thing in this track?

That Jalal captured by Mali and company, and Jodha with her bravery manages to reach to him and save him in nick of a time, and then Jalal who is now freed , gathers his strength together after learning that he is going to be a father, and then overpowers his enemies and wins the war... And later pleased with the bravery of his Jo, he gives her the first title , from many she received , Wali E Nimat' (Gift of God)...

Do u think CVs r leading us on this track?? R CVs showing us Jalal being caught and Jo rescuing him, not coz they r showing her mahaan and all, but to show the thing I said before that MUZ is said to be directly involved in saving Akbar twice...

I could thought like this after the new promo came out... what u think?

There is more to think ... that in next post...

Oh WOW, so MUZ was directly involved in saving Akbar twice in history too. Good to hear that. Am happy.

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi friends... As I said I m going to put some random thoughts here... for last 2 days so many spoilers and promos and precaps and the actual episodes have given all of us so many mixed feelings... and all of us (including me and Mansi with our constant chat via SMS and PM) r just overbreaking our brains...

I know discussing history is not allowed here... and anyway my history knowledge is very limited compared to others... but still here I ll be giving just 1 / 2 thoughts related to history... and plz, this is not to insult or challenge anybody, but it's just what I felt CVs might be leading us to... And so healthy discussions r more than welcome...

Guys, as far as I know, Jalal / Akbar was never caught , nor defeated in any war after he took over the throne as a king... and still CVs have dared to show it, challenging our limited knowledge of history... so ok... we ll keep our track on this line... So Jalal is captured and as per spoilers Jo will fight alongwith other harem ladies... whether she will rescue Jalal, or he will play some game, that let CVs decide... So what was the need to again show Jodha this way... why the need to show Jalal helpless? R they really showing him helpless, or...

So when I think on this line, one thought came to mind... heard sometime, that real MUZ accompanied Akbar most of the time , whether it was some political tour or it was some war... Many times she was there with him, even when she was pregnant... (this is what I heard, I m not very sure abt it)... And Akbar was very sure abt the ability of yhis queen to fight the war if needed... it's said that she was the one to who was directly involved in saving him twice from the direct attacks on his life ... (akbar suffered 4 such direct attacks in his life , when he was badly hurt)... And after that first time that she saved his life, he used to take her with him , knowing her knowledge abt the war and politics...later she became the only woman in his harem/kingdom to have a 12000 cavalry in her command...guys this is just a small piece of info that is hinting me to think abt...can CVs be using this thing in this track?

That Jalal captured by Mali and company, and Jodha with her bravery manages to reach to him and save him in nick of a time, and then Jalal who is now freed , gathers his strength together after learning that he is going to be a father, and then overpowers his enemies and wins the war... And later pleased with the bravery of his Jo, he gives her the first title , from many she received , Wali E Nimat' (Gift of God)...

Do u think CVs r leading us on this track?? R CVs showing us Jalal being caught and Jo rescuing him, not coz they r showing her mahaan and all, but to show the thing I said before that MUZ is said to be directly involved in saving Akbar twice...

I could thought like this after the new promo came out... what u think?

There is more to think ... that in next post...

Dhiksha..zindagi ya phir show... har cheez main insaan do tareeke se soch ta hai aur behave karta hai.. pehla bina soche jaane opinion bana leta hai aur durso mai kaamiya nikalta hai aur negative soch ta hai..dusre ko kasoor war nikalta hai ...aur dusra insaan wo hai jo negativity main positivity dund ta hai..buraiyi main achai dund te hai..ghum ko khusiyo main badalne ki koshish karta hai..

tum aur mansi is forum main aise gems ho jo humesha positively soch te hai aur sab ko apni positivity se calm kara dete ho..bus dek ne ki nazariya alag hai..kuch fraction of seconds main nateeje pe ajate hai bina kuch soche samje..is thread main sab kitne ache writers he..apne views express karte hai... once again thk u for such a grt post...was too good..Kuch threads kehti hai jalal show ki USP hai...kuch threads jo ko kehte hai..par humare is thread main jodha akbar ko USP kehte hai...dono equal...koi bhi kum nahi..pehli baar use dil ka hone ka ehsaas hua..aur toda relationships main emotional hogaya..is war ke baad balance karna seekjayega...aur yeh show jodha akbar aur unki love story aur emotioanal and relationship ko dikarahe hai..this show is not akbar the great...pata nahi kab log samjenge ye baat..akbar ke bina jodha nahi..jodha ke bina akbar nahi..dono soul mates...

Friends , these r again actually random thoughts, nothing to do with any posts... I m just writing like that...

I can't believe Jalal / Akbar was ever a fool or so much of a emotional person, we r getting to see... it's a treat to see him like that to all loyal JA lovers... CVs have now really started to believe all the viewers r complete dumb, and so be sure, even in future we will be getting more such tracks... let's prepare ourselves for that...

Now coming to our characters... many of my friends complain to me, that I always stand by Jo... I never find her wrong and all... So first thing, Jo is a fictional character, (based on historical Heer Kunwar or whatever name is in history) on top of that she is lead of the show, and thirdly she is Ekta's heroine, so she can never be weak, never be wrong, and a perfect character... but when I have accepted my lead character is fictional and still I m treating her as real, then I m not going to bash her, coz I have accepted her as she is , and then myself being a woman, and knowing Ekta's policy abt lead woman character being always right, so for me Jo is always right, and I ll stand by her what may happen... And so when I have accepted Jo to be perfect all the time (trust me accepting it from start , help u in not breaking ur hopes or ur hearts when u get otherwise) and so my friends, (who complain abt my support to Jo) for me Jo is always right... And others who hurt her anytime r always wrong... (simple, isn't it..? my hopes r never broken)

Ok...remains my Jalal... unfortunately, CVs have completely messed up this character... may be coz, there r so many different versions and different theories abt real Akbar, that CVs themselves r confused which one to follow... coz Jalal / Akbar is one of few character in this show, that is now based but it's directly related to the real history, or let's say it exists in real history... and so when CVs mess up their Jalal, I bash him or the CVs , coz then for me I m bashing Ekta's Jalal for messing up real Akbar in my mind...

And when these two leads r messed up to such extent, why should I expect anything better for any other character ... so over all we r now supposed to like the completely messed up show based on history and with a baseline of an epic lovestory we were promised... And whether we like or not, this is what we will get even in future...so let's enjoy it as we get it...

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi friends... As I said I m going to put some random thoughts here... for last 2 days so many spoilers and promos and precaps and the actual episodes have given all of us so many mixed feelings... and all of us (including me and Mansi with our constant chat via SMS and PM) r just overbreaking our brains...

I know discussing history is not allowed here... and anyway my history knowledge is very limited compared to others... but still here I ll be giving just 1 / 2 thoughts related to history... and plz, this is not to insult or challenge anybody, but it's just what I felt CVs might be leading us to... And so healthy discussions r more than welcome...

Guys, as far as I know, Jalal / Akbar was never caught , nor defeated in any war after he took over the throne as a king... and still CVs have dared to show it, challenging our limited knowledge of history... so ok... we ll keep our track on this line... So Jalal is captured and as per spoilers Jo will fight alongwith other harem ladies... whether she will rescue Jalal, or he will play some game, that let CVs decide... So what was the need to again show Jodha this way... why the need to show Jalal helpless? R they really showing him helpless, or...

So when I think on this line, one thought came to mind... heard sometime, that real MUZ accompanied Akbar most of the time , whether it was some political tour or it was some war... Many times she was there with him, even when she was pregnant... (this is what I heard, I m not very sure abt it)... And Akbar was very sure abt the ability of yhis queen to fight the war if needed... it's said that she was the one to who was directly involved in saving him twice from the direct attacks on his life ... (akbar suffered 4 such direct attacks in his life , when he was badly hurt)... And after that first time that she saved his life, he used to take her with him , knowing her knowledge abt the war and politics...later she became the only woman in his harem/kingdom to have a 12000 cavalry in her command...guys this is just a small piece of info that is hinting me to think abt...can CVs be using this thing in this track?

That Jalal captured by Mali and company, and Jodha with her bravery manages to reach to him and save him in nick of a time, and then Jalal who is now freed , gathers his strength together after learning that he is going to be a father, and then overpowers his enemies and wins the war... And later pleased with the bravery of his Jo, he gives her the first title , from many she received , Wali E Nimat' (Gift of God)...

Do u think CVs r leading us on this track?? R CVs showing us Jalal being caught and Jo rescuing him, not coz they r showing her mahaan and all, but to show the thing I said before that MUZ is said to be directly involved in saving Akbar twice...

I could thought like this after the new promo came out... what u think?

There is more to think ... that in next post...

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi friends... As I said I m going to put some random thoughts here... for last 2 days so many spoilers and promos and precaps and the actual episodes have given all of us so many mixed feelings... and all of us (including me and Mansi with our constant chat via SMS and PM) r just overbreaking our brains...

I know discussing history is not allowed here... and anyway my history knowledge is very limited compared to others... but still here I ll be giving just 1 / 2 thoughts related to history... and plz, this is not to insult or challenge anybody, but it's just what I felt CVs might be leading us to... And so healthy discussions r more than welcome...

Guys, as far as I know, Jalal / Akbar was never caught , nor defeated in any war after he took over the throne as a king... and still CVs have dared to show it, challenging our limited knowledge of history... so ok... we ll keep our track on this line... So Jalal is captured and as per spoilers Jo will fight alongwith other harem ladies... whether she will rescue Jalal, or he will play some game, that let CVs decide... So what was the need to again show Jodha this way... why the need to show Jalal helpless? R they really showing him helpless, or...

So when I think on this line, one thought came to mind... heard sometime, that real MUZ accompanied Akbar most of the time , whether it was some political tour or it was some war... Many times she was there with him, even when she was pregnant... (this is what I heard, I m not very sure abt it)... And Akbar was very sure abt the ability of yhis queen to fight the war if needed... it's said that she was the one to who was directly involved in saving him twice from the direct attacks on his life ... (akbar suffered 4 such direct attacks in his life , when he was badly hurt)... And after that first time that she saved his life, he used to take her with him , knowing her knowledge abt the war and politics...later she became the only woman in his harem/kingdom to have a 12000 cavalry in her command...guys this is just a small piece of info that is hinting me to think abt...can CVs be using this thing in this track?

That Jalal captured by Mali and company, and Jodha with her bravery manages to reach to him and save him in nick of a time, and then Jalal who is now freed , gathers his strength together after learning that he is going to be a father, and then overpowers his enemies and wins the war... And later pleased with the bravery of his Jo, he gives her the first title , from many she received , Wali E Nimat' (Gift of God)...

Do u think CVs r leading us on this track?? R CVs showing us Jalal being caught and Jo rescuing him, not coz they r showing her mahaan and all, but to show the thing I said before that MUZ is said to be directly involved in saving Akbar twice...

I could thought like this after the new promo came out... what u think?

There is more to think ... that in next post...

Originally posted by: mandyg

abhi, kya imagination hai😆..all planned step by step! action by action!

😆 Kya karen mandyg, why CVS hell bend on showing Jallu weak, I still can't understand.. Show both JJ strong..

Friends, coming back to so many spoilers, 2 promos and precap and Friday episode...here is something else...

I discussed many theories with Mansi... and in the end we both r confused... and so i decided to follow her advice that to trust the zee man abt what he told her...

For us right now, Jalal is captured, and precap suggests that TM brings his war armour to show the queens with the news of Jalal being caught... One promo suggests that Mali and co r torturing Jalal and he is injured badly and here on encampment while other queens r crying, Jo refuses to believe that Jalal is no more...another promo suggests that Harem is attacked, and Jo encourages the women to fight, and we r getting those pic...

So what's the truth... Yest, after the episode, there was a general cry, how CVs dared showing Jalal such a dumb, to trust Nigar and thus getting into her trap... but as I m not ready to believe Jalal was ever a fool, and even Zee man has ensured Mansi that Jalal will surprise all with his Teda gameplans, so how it is possible for Jalal to get captured?

Guys, there r few things, that struck me suddenly...i don't know if it make sences, still I m giving it...

While dividing his army, Jalal made 3 divisions... one was led by him, one was by Atga and one was by Munim khan...while he had Adham's man shahabuddin in his own troop, he put Adham under Atga Khan and Mirza under Munim Khan... Mirza was his own brother, so why he is not chief of any troop, or why he is not in Jalal's own troop... Does that mean, what me and Mansi have always thought? Jalal doubts Mirza? And so Mirza is not near to him to harm him directly...

Same way, Jalal is very well aware abt Adham's strength and ability to fight and win...and still he is under Atga Khan... Not right with Jalal... has Jalal any doubts abt Adham's loyalty?

If we remember, MA met Nigar , same night when Jalal and his Harem reached the encampment... Had Jalal doubting MA , and thus had her followed that night and knows abt her treachery?? And so he is well aware that in war Adham may help Mali indirectly...

Then, the minute Jalal saw Nigar tied up , he freed her and hugged her... agreed, for whole life he craved for an elder brother or sister... But just that one fine day a girl tells him that she is his elder sister, and right heir to throne, and he is ready to accept her words as truth, and give her that right she claims...that too when this kingdom he is now ruling, is won and made by him after fighting so many wars from age of 14...though he is treated as heir after his father, still the kingdom was not given to him readymade, that kingdom was lost to enemies, and he has won it back... So how is it possible that one day someone will lay claim on it, and he will so readily agree to it????

Does that mean , he is really playing a game? With whom? Since when?

And so yest when he freed Nigar, and so readily went with her to that unknown place, so what we got to see is Nigar asking him to follow, and then he finds himself in a dark place , with Nigar attacking him? Something happened in btw these two scenes, we will get to see later as FBs?

Like , while Jalal found Nigar tied, he freed her and she told him the truth abt Mali and MCB double timing with her and using her as a pawn, and she got to know this by chance, and same time Jalal's own Vazir is treating her as a queen and thus backstabbing Jalal, and so Nigar is alert that MA has joined hands with Mali or MCB...

If as I said before, Jalal already has doubts abt Adham and MA, so Nigar's info won't be a shock for him, and so he and Nigar make a plan and thus Jalal is acting as a captive, while Nigar is taking care that he is not killed before rest of his army reaches for his help, and CB is traced...

I m giving this theory, coz there is one question in my mind... Mali, Nigar, MCB , all want Jalal's kingdom... and when he is captured, why they will keep him alive even for a minute, so that he can even try to free himself? Surely they were not such fools? So just like Mansi, even I feel, Nigar and Jalal r together in this , and r just buying time till CB is traced and brought to them safely by TM... And so TM also is with them in this plot... And Jalal knows, Jo won't give up the fight as he very well knows her ability to fight the war, and so he and Nigar carries out this plan, which we get to see as Jalal being captured...

Then there is another thing ... That Surang dug by TM with AK's help... I think Jalal has some clues abt MA kidnapping CB and so this plan of Jalal being caught and TM informing the harem, and that may push MA to get CB to encampment through that Surang, unknown to the fact that she is being watched by TM... And so once Jo will leave to trace Jalal, and by that time CB is traced by TM , and Amer army has reached to Warfield, then Nigar will put Jalal free, and Jalal will fight for ultimate victory... And this Jo - Nigar war news might again be for buying the time for tracing CB...

So finally, when this war track will be over we should get Mali fled, CB found , Mirza and MA exposed , and Jalal to know abt Jo being pregnant...

Is it possible?