Why so much HATE for Raman and Ishita?!.... It AINT make NO sense.... - Page 5

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Posted: 11 years ago
#41
Very well put Shivu...👍🏼

the quote @red at the end bang on !!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
This is a beautiful post Shivu. Seriously.

I second EVERYTHING you said here.

Shagun is a B*tch and we all hate her. But their conversation was purely about Adi with a hint of bitterness (from Shagun's side).

Raman may hate Shagun as a wife, but he can never forget the fact that she is the mother of his children. And hence, he will always have to be in touch with Shagun. No matter ho much we want Raman to ignore Shagun, He Cant.

And Ishita. She is a mature woman and understands the fact that Raman needs to respect his children;s mother, no matter her shrewdness. She acted like a mature wife by helping her husband, understanding her husband.

Agreed, he hurt her because of the "father" comment, but what he said was true. He isnt bitter about it. He accepts it and doesnt blame ishita about it.

I loved this conversation of IshRa.

And PERFECT post by you.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very much needed! Today's episode was brilliantly written and was a step forward in IshRa's journey.
Like you pointed out, Raman stated a fact - the fact that he can never be a father again and it was assumed that Ishita was hurt because he pointed out her inability to become a mother. I disagree, in my point of view, Ishita was hurt because she felt that she was taking something away from Raman's life, something that he might have wanted - to be a father again. Yes, a part of Ishita might always feel like something is missing (even with Ruhi around), yet it is something that she has come to terms with and as she mentioned in her conversation with Raman, no one else should be affected due to her "shortcomings".

Coming to the point of respecting Shagun, I actually agree with everything that Ishita said and am a huge believer in the fact that you have to give respect in order to gain respect and that you can only hate the person you love.. All this while, Raman's emotions concerning Shagun has been completely overshadowed with her betrayal that the fact that she is also the mother of his children always remained second to that. Ishita today pointed out that he needs to put aside the emotions that he felt for her (be it love/hatred) and treat her as the mother of his children.
Today's situation did not warrant Ishita getting angry at Raman (although a lot of other situations previously shown probably did) and was brilliantly handled.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
WORD !!...u said them beautifully!

much needed post...

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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
Great post and very well explained.

Though the fact won't change that Raman's another unintentional mistake made Ishu hurt, but the things is they both tried to clear their positions in their lives. Raman has now feelings for Ishita, that's why he tries to explain her just to make her know that he dint mean the way she felt. Ishita tries to make Raman free of his past traumas. That's why she told him to forget any grudge he has against Shagun. This convo wasa significant one in IshRa life.

The journey of their love is not gonna be so easy, but how they become together, here's the main challenge CVs have.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shivu, my comments on page 1 updated
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: always_a_TV_fan

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I dont like it that I am terribly short of time. I would have loved to write a Ramayan (correction- Mahabharat) reply for this one. Anyway, I'll try to express what I have to say as succinctly as possible

Shivu... need I say ? apt post... I havent read the 5 pages of comments, but I am sure your post sparked a healthy debate.

Now, my take on the first half of yesterday's epi was:

I saw a father being manipulated (very cleverly) by the mother of his child. I saw a father reminded of the happy moments he'd shared with the mother of his first-born. I saw a father feeling guilty for not paying enough attention to renew contract which was something he had smartly 'invested' in a long time ago.

I saw the mother manipulating the father of her children to trap him into a web of guilt, shame and regret. I saw a mother using a child as a pawn to fulfill her narcissistic tendencies. I saw a regretful woman not letting a man move on, only because she hasn't been able to.

I saw a woman not being sure of her place in a man's life. I saw a woman who heard a conversation between a former couple. I saw a woman see that former couple reminisce the happy moments in their life and immediate feel the pain of her emptiness. I saw a woman who knew she couldn't participate in that kind of happiness with that man, irrespective of her 'adopting' his children.

So, long story short, I was completely void of any negativity when the episode finished. I did not see anything that I had objection to. I said this is another post, but Shagun was so good yesterday that I even felt sorry for her for a minute.

Everything Raman said and did was in the context of being a father. At least that's what I took away from the episode. Everything Ishita said and did was in the context of her being a caring woman, a woman who is more a mother than Shagun will ever be. What is there to hate?

Ishita and Raman are frankly 2 broken souls. They need to heal. Whether they love each other or not is neither here nor there. They are 2 broken people put together into a triage room with all the equipment to fix their wounds. How they pick up the various medicines and apply them on each other is what this story is all about. So, again, whats there to hate?

I would have not liked it if Raman didn't even find out that Ishita had heard his conversation. I would have nor liked it if Ishita had bottled up her pain and put on a smile yesterday. But still, I wouldn't have hated either of them.

P.S: One thing keeps coming back to me. Raman-Shagun's conversation was entirely about Aditya, no? There wasn't any mention of a second child at all, or I missed it. Anyway, what I am trying to say is, IF Raman was indeed still 'in love' with Shagun, wouldn't he have talked about ALL happy memories? Why only talk about Adi's birth? That was the biggest clue that moulded my response to the episode. Adi is his first-born child. and no one (i mean NO ONE) except Shagun could share that happiness with him, right? Even Ruhi's birth didnt evoke the same memories. Even if Ishita had a child with him, that child couldnt be his first-born, and that holds special place in any parent's heart no? Am I making sense here?


Yesterday's episode was executed beautifully and finally drove home the point that shagun and raman share a connection due to adi. I must say, as a raman-ishita fan, it was a bitter pill to swallow. it wouldn't have been that bad if shagun was a decent woman with good intentions, but we know that she will eventually take advantage of raman's biggest weakness.

I initially felt bad that ishita had to hear that, but how she handled that situation and bounced back from her pain was remarkable to see. at that moment, I did not feel sorry for-- I was proud of
her.

bold: I noticed that as well, my guess is because ruhi was not the first child and to an extent it is because that is when things began to turn bitter between raman and shagun. Adi represented the good times, Ruhi does not. There is no connection between raman, ruhi, and shagun.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
All said n written, it was a wonderful episode yesterday...and kept us on tenterhooks thruout and a brain drain thoroughly. Loved all the posts and reviews done on this episode. Kudos to all n the CV's.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shivu..an excellent post and much needed!
Frankly I loved the episode yesterday! I watched it several times and honestly had tears for Ramz and Ishu and pity for Shagun!

Everything Raman said reflected the father in him! His love for Adi, his pain of not having him in his life and the remorse he felt for forgetting the date was evident in his words and his voice. His live for Adi is not an obsession as some have called it but the special love a parent feels for their first born! Adi gave him all the memories a first time parent experiences..first time a child looks at you with unconditional love and trust, first time a child calls u dad, first time a child holds ur hand and takes his first steps...beautiful memories never to be forgotten.
Shagun whether we like it or not gave him Adi...so as he said their relation ended...she hurt him and broke his heart but the feelings of happiness due to her having Adi are there in his memories...No one can find or should find fault with that. His apology and thank you were for Adi..Some said he should have taken the earrings..but y..they were again given because of his happiness in becoming a father, because of Adi as a symbol of the immense indescribable feeling of being a father! He knows the reality of Ishu being unable to conceive so when he made the statement of not being a father again it was not said to hurt her or with spite..he was stating a fact! Aside from that IshRa are in the beginning stages of feeling love for one another and coming to that realization slowly..they are awhile away from acknowledging it to themselves let alone confessing it to each other and having a physical relationship.
I felt pity for Shagun because she can't let go and move on and it's not only surprising her but burning her to see Ramz do that with Ishu! Shagun is a first class user and manipulator and today evidenced that she will continually use her children to suit her needs. She gave up a man who loved her unconditionally for material things but that didn't make her happy because she lost her identity in the process...she is highly insecure in front of Ishu who is an independent woman a wonderful mother, daughter in law and wife..Ishu is a complete woman despite nit being able to bear children and Shagun's sole purpose was to make Ishu feel insecure cause she can't give Ramz kids..BUT let's not forget that it is because of Ishu that Ramz has Ruhi...and has realized and expressed his love for his daughter .. In a sense Ishu gave birth to Raman's princess.
Ishu rightly felt hurt because the one thing she tries to forget and overcome is what others see as her deficiency. She was right in asking Raman to respect the mother of his children...and questioning his feelings for Shagun as there is a thin line between love and hate...I honestly felt that Raman knows what a gem he has in Ishu and has become fully committed to moving that relationship forward.
I have rambled enough and hope I made sense..again I loved the episode and kudos to the CVs for handling it so well...
and KP and DT...take a bow..u guys are so PERFECT as ISHRA u make us forget we are watching actors enact a scene...

For those worrying about the future track ... All I can say is don't project..enjoy today and the beautiful love story unfolding in front of us...CVs continue as u r and we won't be disappointed!.
Edited by luvsagar - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#50
Raman didnt hurt ishita. He was hurted her when he speak in front of her. He didn't shouted her after shagun word that because of your Amma accident I forgot this imp date but he blame himself.
When he knew that ishita heard everything he listen to her and her emotional talk and try to make her understand that he didn't mean that and don't take it other way.

Ishita was not being mahan but she knew because of shagun haters which raman has its affecting his life his kid life and his family. Sometime we have to let go thing for peaceful life because at the end of the day it hurt us only and ishita was practical here. She did same in subbu case.


Whatever at the end of the day I am enjoying ishra strengthen relation. Cv hardly disappointed us till day and they very well know where is story going. 👍🏼

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