Idealism Vs Realism - Page 4

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

answer to your second question: it can be on auto-pilot same as any complex robot or CPU. They can run for a long time on auto-pilot before the batteries die out..

answer to the second question would first require us to understand what one means by "mind". If by mind we mean something that has free will, then it comes down to whether we have free will. Problem with free will is it makes the world a whole lot less deterministic/ random (mixture of the two) than the laws of physics would have us believe. And that's the quandary- too much belief in physics and we think we are robots without free will...

I would equate mind with intelligence but more on that later.

The problem I see here is detecting which processes are directed and which processes are undirected.

Plants convert light energy to chemical energy to produce glucose and other organic compounds vital for their survival, via photosynthesis. Is photosynthesis a directed process or an undirected process? How do we tell?

If I pick up a ball and throw it at you (😊) it means I took a deliberate action, which then tells us that it is a directed process. Where as, if you are passing by a coconut tree and a big coconut falls on your head (😊), we tend to term it as an undirected process.

Point being, we are the ones determining which processes in this universe are directed and which are undirected. And since we assume (rightly so?) that we are the only intelligent life around, to us what we determine is what the truth must be.

To go back to the examples, a cell (plants or humans) or a robot or a CPU have traces of "design" in them implying that an intelligent being probably directed matter to turn them into functional "machines". This is so because we can perceive this intelligence. There is sufficient evidence, depending upon who you ask of course, to suspect that it is not all about physical processes, not all about material agencies.

Now, how much of this has a real objective existence and how much of it is perception is what I suppose we are interested in finding out.

This topic reminded me of 'If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound'.

Originally posted by: Vinzy

Is mind means past?!!!!

Do you mean past as in a flashback? 😆

Originally posted by: zorrro

Do you mean past as in a flashback? 😆

Originally posted by: Vinzy

Ya... 'Collection of Matters'...😊

My dear Vinu bhai these guys are saying ki matter haich nahi. Jaab haich nahi toh collection kahan se 🤓

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I would equate mind with intelligence but more on that later.

The problem I see here is detecting which processes are directed and which processes are undirected.

Plants convert light energy to chemical energy to produce glucose and other organic compounds vital for their survival, via photosynthesis. Is photosynthesis a directed process or an undirected process? How do we tell?

If I pick up a ball and throw it at you (😊) it means I took a deliberate action, which then tells us that it is a directed process. Where as, if you are passing by a coconut tree and a big coconut falls on your head (😊), we tend to term it as an undirected process.

Point being, we are the ones determining which processes in this universe are directed and which are undirected. And since we assume (rightly so?) that we are the only intelligent life around, to us what we determine is what the truth must be.

To go back to the examples, a cell (plants or humans) or a robot or a CPU have traces of "design" in them implying that an intelligent being probably directed matter to turn them into functional "machines". This is so because we can perceive this intelligence. There is sufficient evidence, depending upon who you ask of course, to suspect that it is not all about physical processes, not all about material agencies.

Now, how much of this has a real objective existence and how much of it is perception is what I suppose we are interested in finding out.

@Vinzy - Mind is impossible to define. it is what you want it to be, information manifestation of brain, intelligence or consciousness. Take your pick?

So far from what I understood of the thread there were following stand-

Originally posted by: charminggenie

@Vinzy - Mind is impossible to define. it is what you want it to be, information manifestation of brain, intelligence or consciousness. Take your pick?

Originally posted by: Vinzy

Okie...Pre-mind stage..like a baby!?!!...But How can you stop the thoughts?!!!...😊