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viper83

@viper83

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
1. Ah.. Radha. My Ishtadevi.
It will take a long post to talk about her. So let me just keep that aside for a while. Meanwhile, you can ask Varaali since She is her Ishtadevi too.

2. Krishna.. hm.. if you don't count Radhakrishna's marriage, and somehow it is never counted (more on that in the Radha post), 16108 times. In some ways, yes all of them have an amsa of Lakshmi Devi in them, but to list them out:
Rukmini - Full avatara of Lakshmi Devi
Satyabhama - Bhudevi
Jambavati - Maya/Parvati (yes, I said Parvati😆)
Kalindi - Yamuna
Satya - Hreedevi
Mitravinda - Dakshina Devi
Lakshmana - I think Goddess Ganga
Bhadra - Tulasi Devi
Rohini and the others - women from the previous avataras of Narayana who wished to be his wife

Now your doubt on Parvati being Krishna's wife. You must be thinking I am crazy.
But Lord Shiva himself stated this, as follows:

[quote]"I, will take birth as the son of Devaki and Vasudeva who will be the incarnations of Kashyapa Maharshi and Aditi. My wife Lakshmi, the River Yamuna, the River Ganga, Goddess Tulasi, Hree, Dakshina, Bhudevi, Maya, Parvati and other Devis who are dear to me shall take birth as my wives. Aadi Shesha-"
"Just a minute, Lord." Parvati interjected. "How can I be your wife? I am Lord Shiva's wife; I am also your sister!"

Lord Shiva looked at Parvati. "Parvati, don't you remember, once in Kailasa, when Lord Krishna appeared to us, you stared at him with an intent of marrying him? At that time, Lord Krishna had already fulfilled your wish. This is the result of your wish. In this birth, you shall incarnate as his wife."

"But Mahadeva, how-"

"Do not worry. I shall not mind. And a part of you shall remain in Kailasa. Your Shakti shall incarnate as... well, your name shall be decided in the future."
Parvati was surprised and remembered her boon. She smiled to herself. The Lord's leela was truly unexpected![/quote]

Note: This was written by me based on what is given in Garga Samhita. So just take in the context. Not the mannerisms.😛

Next answer in the next post.

My Khuldevi is = Kodia mata = Pavarati Mata
My Lord = Naryana/Krishna and Goddess Laxmi/Radha
My Guru = Lord Shiva/ Maha Prahbhu

I may be wrong but per my sect, other than Satyabhama - Bhudevi, Radha and Rukmaini and Jambavati are full avatar of Goddess Lakshmi and all other wives are partial as there many different types of Lakshmi pertaining wealth, luck, power and so on. In the case of Satyabhama - Bhudevi avatar. Bhudevi(Goddess Earth) married Lord Varah.

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: viper83

My Khuldevi is = Kodia mata = Pavarati Mata
My Lord = Naryana/Krishna and Goddess Laxmi/Radha
My Guru = Lord Shiva/ Maha Prahbhu

I may be wrong but per my sect, other than Satyabhama - Bhudevi, Radha and Rukmini and Jambavati are full avatar of Goddess Lakshmi and all other wives are partial as there many different types of Lakshmi pertaining wealth, luck, power and so on. In the case of Satyabhama - Bhudevi avatar. Bhudevi(Goddess Earth) married Lord Varah.

Different Puranas have slightly different versions. But all agree that at least an amsa (partial avatar) of Lakshmi Devi is in all the 16108 wives.😊 Rukmini is surely the Purna avatara of Devi Lakshmi.

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983175

Posted: 10 years ago

thanks guys.. please give as much as info as u can..this is all very very intresting n i m having a great time with this!!😃

yippee!!..i finally have the power to "like" a post!!👏👏.. i suppose then it was just a technical malfunction of my smartphone..m logged in through my pc now..

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

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Posted: 10 years ago

So Lalita Madhava.

Srila Rupa Goswami got a um.. request(?) from Satyabhama to write a story about how the gopis are never separated from Krishna, and this was later approved by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

So he wrote this story, which first begins with Shankhachooda kidnapping Radha, and later Krsna rescuing her. Because of this, Kamsa later calls for Krsna to come to Mathura, leaving all the gopikas in very much sorrow and despair. Chandravali is transported to Vidarbha Desha by Jambavan, who adopts Lalita (Radha's friend). Later, Vishakha, the ardent worshipper of the Sun God, and Radha's priya sakhi, is also escorted to Indraprastha by the Sun God. Padma is transported to Avantipura, Shaibya to to Madradesa, Bhadra to Dwaraka and Shyama to Ayodhya. The other 16100 gopikas are later kidnapped by Narakasura. The sun God escorts Radha to Dwaraka and along with the Syamantaka Mani, gifts Radha as a daughter to Satrajit, and he names her Satyabhama.

Later, Krsna creates a forest called Nava Vrindavana, to resemble Vrindavana. He kidnaps Rukmini (Chandravali) and marries her. Chandravali and her sakhi Madhavi come to Dwaraka and are enchanted by the forest of Nava Vrindavana.

Later, when the Syamantaka Mani episode is over, Krsna marries Satyabhama, but she comes to Chandravali as a maid, and CHandravali doesn't recognize Radha, neither does she know that Krsna married her.

Radha then passes time in Chandravali's company, and secretly visits krsna in Nava Vrindavana. Madhavi gets suspicious and takes Chandravali to Nava Vrindavana, where Krsna and his friend Madhumangala are waiting for Radha. Chandravali comes by and before she can chance upon Radha, Radha plays London London, ie. becomes a statue. Chandravali is surprised by the real look on the statue, as if it is a living woman. She later catches Krsna, who pacifies her and takes her back. He releases Radha from Statue mode.

After all this happens, Lalita marries Krsna (as Jambavati) and comes to Dwaraka. Vishakha, Pamda, Shaibya, SHyama and Bhadra too come one by one. All the gopikas are overjoyed, but do not know the whereabouts of Radha or who she is.

The gopas and Gopis of Vrindavana along with Nanda and Yashoda come to Dwaraka and meet Krsna, and everyone is really happy. Just then they recognize that Radha is Satyabhama. But at that time Radha wishes to jump into a poison lake due to separation from Krsna.

Everyone rushes to save her, and Krsna manages to rescue her. She falls at everyone's feet and asks forgiveness. Just then, Garuda comes with news of Narakasura, and Krsna goes to defeat him.

Krsna returns, followed by Garuda bringing with him the other gopikas. Everyone is thrilled. The Goddess Yogamaya appears and creates a beautiful evening. The story ends in Nava Vrindavana, where Radha and Krsna share a peaceful evening, and Radha praises Krsna's leela. She also blesses the story that whoever reads this story will surely attain Krsna at the end. Thus, the Lalita Madhava comes to a close, with Radha smiling at Krsna.

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983175

Posted: 10 years ago

@Surya_krsnbhakt

hmm..well..that means i m definitely destined to achieve Krishna in the end.. i read the entire story!!.. but i dont know what it would mean for u since u r the narrating the story to me n i m just reading it !!..lol..

Although, i got to say, so many gopis n marriages..it can get a little confusing..,,n..umm..a little 'controversial'?

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

IF-Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Akash005
@Surya_krsnbhakt
hmm..well..that means i m definitely destined to achieve Krishna in the end.. i read the entire story!!.. but i dont know what it would mean for u since u r the narrating the story to me n i m just reading it !!..lol..

Although, i got to say, so many gopis n marriages..it can get a little confusing..,,n..umm..a little 'controversial'?

You don't like it? Or youare saying the gopis shouldn't have married him?

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Surya Sundarraj Sriram

@Surya_krsnbhakt

IF-Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

Oh, I forgot the important bit.

Radha and Chandravali are daughters of Vindhyacala,who wanted to have a greater son-in-law than Himavan.

Meaning Himavan's daughter Parvatimarried Mahadeva.

So he wants a son in law who will rival Mahadeva. So he got Krsna as his SIL.

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983175

Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
You don't like it? Or youare saying the gopis shouldn't have married him?

O..I dint say that 'I dont like it'.. I was merely wondering about the umm..😕 'controversial' nature of such beautiful romantic n religious stories..it was merely like ' no wonder youngsters have so much questions about rasleelas'.. however, I have only begun my journey here..I have just been introduced to Krishna leela , there r still several aspects to unfold..so m not in a position to question anything pertaining to it just yet..completely blank as of now!..

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983175

Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt
Oh, I forgot the important bit.
Radha and Chandravali are daughters of Vindhyacala,who wanted to have a greater son-in-law than Himavan.

Meaning Himavan's daughter Parvatimarried Mahadeva.
So he wants a son in law who will rival Mahadeva. So he got Krsna as his SIL.

Rivalry of the mountains!!.. this just keeps getting interesting n interesting!..

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sherlock

@sherlock

IF-Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

@Akash005: Surya-Krsnbhakt is posting so much info here, I think its sensible to just sit back and read what all Surya-Krsnbhakt is posting, however since I've been asked to contribute if I could, I re-post here something I wrote on Shri Radha, a few days ago. I had addressed that post to the member 'Cool&Fresh', keep this in mind while reading what follows.

Shri Radha is the 'Alahadini Shakti of Anant Alahad Shri Skrisna' (the source of bliss for the infinite bliss Shri Krishna). there is seemingly an inhetrent contradiction in this definition. how can one be a source of bliss for someone who is already infinite bliss? remember infinity is not a large number, it's a mathematical concept. Shri Krishna being 'infinite bliss' as Vedas define him, means that even if Shri Krishna himself is to experience himself for an infinite period of time, still he himself won't be able to say how much bliss he is,because an infinite 'part' of him which is again infinite bliss would still be left unexperienced by Him, and that's why he is 'infinite bliss' (Anant Alahad or Anant Anand as Vedanta mentions at numerous places). And Shri Radha is defined, by none other than Shri krishna himself,to be Krishna's Alahadini Shakti. "Radha, you are the source of bliss for me" Shri Krishna says. is there a contradiction here? no, there's no contradiction, as we will see in a moment.

as vedas again say about Shri Bhagwaan, "He doesn't like to be alone", again even this statement of Vedas appear contradictiory at face value, because Vedas themselves first described & defined Shri Bhagwaan as "infinite bliss who has infinite names,forms, attributes, divine plays (leela), eternal blissful abodes (dhaam), powers, attendants, devotees and saints, who is complete in Himself and nothing and no one exists other than him." So first Vedas define Lord as 'complete in himslef' then say 'he doesn't LIKE to be alone'!! As you can see Cool, if Lord is complete in Himself, HE can't 'like' or 'dislike' anything, he can't have any'wants' to 'desires' to have someone or something other than him. So are Vedas furthering a contradiction here when they say, 'He dosne't like to be alone'?? Again, no there is no contradiction, and we'll explain why there is no contradiction.

the best way to understand this is by taking a very simple example. Let's say Cool&Fresh is an extremely beautiful girl.and she is also infinitely powerful so she can do whatever she feels like doing. now the situation is, there is no one and nothing except Cool&Fresh, she is all alone, for all times, so while she knows very well that she is extremely beautiful,she also realises that this fact has no meaning because there is no one except her to notice this fact, and there never will be, because nothing exists or can ever exist except her!!

but because C&F is also infinitely powerful, she decides to manifest from her, another 'self' of her, so that that seemingly 'other' who in reality is C&F only, will notice and acknowledge C&F's existence and beauty!! now since this 'other' is another manifestation of C&F only, naturally this 'other' too will be extremely beautiful, and now C&F has an eternal partner with her, which she achieved by manifesting herself as 'two' and these 'two' can now keep telling each other just how extremely beautiful they both are.

that's all that is there to vedas proclamation that 'Shri Bhagwaan desires a second for he doesn't like to be alone' and 'Shri Radha is the alahadini shakti of Shri krishna' i.e. Shri Radha exists to provide bliss to infinite bliss Shri Krishna.

Shri krishna himself explains this very concisely, as is His wont, when he says to Shri Radha, "My dearest, you're me and I'm you, and anybody thinking of us in any other manner is an ignoramus."

P.S. 1. Whatever I've said C&F, if you desire, I can quote the same thing from ancient Sanskrit texts too, but that will require some effort on my part, unlike typing this post, for I'll have to search the old texts. So if you wish to read quotes from Sanaskrit texts, don't hesitate and tell me, I'll search and quote, but if you're content with reading my half-baked sentences, nothing better.

2. if you've read carefully what I've written, a question should naturally arise in your mind. That since the Supreme Lord is 'complete in Himself' why he ever takes the trouble of manifesting infinite creations in Him where infinite of his chaitanya powers or chaitanya ansh i.e. us, can experience their existence?? because Since Lord is 'the only one' and 'complete' (the Sanskrit terms for this are 'AtmaRam' and 'Poornakaam') he can't 'desire' or 'wish' to 'do' anything, he doesn't ever need to 'do' anything. So why wish to manifest infinite creations in Him, where we can experience our existence?? Answer to this is again closely related to Shri Radha. if interested, tell me, I'll talk about it next time.

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