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Originally posted by: MaddyO

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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Kaana's post on Jalal

JALAL:

When I pen down my thoughts here I would like to have in mind his upbringing and environment to put things in perspective. CV has portrayed both the characters well setting the context clearly. Jodha as an individual has great integrity, is full of righteousness and has many other values and is filled to the brim with spontaneous love. She is fiercely independent and is very rational. She does not get influenced by others, as she always puts things in perspective and looks at things rationally. She grew up in a very warm, trustworthy environment though they are also a royal family. None conspired behind the back. As the voice over said on entry into Amer, the world that Jalal lives is very different from the world that Jodha lives in.

While Jalal on the other hand, is valorous king, an embodiment of power and the resultant arrogance. He believes that his sword rules, unlike Jodha who believes that it is heart that rules. He takes pride in his kingship and believes that anything could be got and done as he wished. And, he always seem to be under the influence of others, be it Khan Baba, MA, Ruks or later Jodha. He is more emotional (though he claims not to have a heart) than rational and gives this advantage to others. We have even seen his verdicts given based on emotions (ofcourse, when not emotional he can be rational). Women, in general, are not seen as someone to be respected (but he does treat them with some dignity lest Mughal Saltanat respect at stake!) while Jodha is from a traditional Indian environment where women are revered and wife is a pride of the husband. Some values seem to be lost on him, though his devotion to God is admirable and I suppose his saving grace. But I would not say that he is inherently evil. Imagine Jodha giving such gyan to Aurangazeb! Or is it a tragedy that he did not have a Jodha?!

And, this is why Jalal was losing to her all through. While he was trying to control her and pin her at his feet, he was being controlled by her in a way. The great values of Jodha overpowered his sword and power. She won him completely just by her character. He was impressed by her talent, righteousness and was getting attracted to her by the day. He was convinced by her arguments and trusted her decisions for the welfare of the people.

But in my humble view, though he saw purity in her eyes, he trusted her intent and merit of her acts and words etc., mighty impressed with her talent, he still lacked that one key thing for a successful relationship or to call it a true love and the reason why he faced so many fall. Also, I suppose he was not matured enough. Firstly, he should have understood that it will take sometime to win Jodha's heart, given the background and her strong character and values. So, I was not happy with him, not losing a chance to figure out if she loves him. Like some of the fans, he is also in a hurry to kiss her, have her etc while patience pays J. And, had he been sensible he should have got a doubt about Jodha inviting him for a night in return for the ban of child marriage in is kingdom. He should have gone only with a benefit of doubt to her. The whole thing sounded weird to me, given Jodha's character, she is not going to convert her relationship with him (which she valued and respected and hence all the restrictions) as a deal or a reward.

For this, I suppose, we need to understand how Jodha looks at it. In her mind the physical relationship is only an outcome or a resultant of true love. It is only an expression of one's love. So union of heart is more important and the first thing to happen. So, when Jodha has not even confessed or realized any such feelings for him, such an invitation is weird. Bit of thinking by Jalal could have saved him some disgrace. Agreed, Jodha could have handled this better - she fell down in my eyes here.

Secondly, when Jodha said she did not write any such in the letter while dear Badi ammi confirmed the other way, Jalal believed Badi ammi. He did not even pause to think if Jodha was capable of doing any such. This clearly points out his trust level. He trusts her for her intelligence and righteousness w.r.t. welfare of the people. But when it comes to his personal relationship, there is no implicit faith.

And after this, again chose to go back to her after she saved his life, he did not seem to have resolved the matter. He continues to assume that she called him and then rejected him. I can't imagine someone continuing in the relationship, when trust is at stake. He should have taken the effort to figure it out, sort it out. But his blind implicit faith in badi ammi takes precedence over his trust on Jodha. Dare badi ammi to play so with Salima. She just can't as she is rooted in her trust for Jodha. Only Jalal is vulnerable. Even during Ruks miscarriage though badi amma was being cornered and later escaped with a dupe, he did not bother to investigate the matter any further as to how could such a dupe have got into the palace in the first place and managed to do all this, which ideally should have happened in an able administration.

That is why he is vulnerable (as it is not yet complete true love for her) and so when badi ammi told about Sujamal affair, he believed it though he claimed not to or did not want to (though he didn't believe initially it did not sustain). He was only trying to convince himself that she is not at fault, though there an element of doubt was brewing in him. And that is why even when he went to Jodha's room to get the truth out of her, he was prejudiced, he went with an assumption, but was only cherishing a desire to hear the other way. This cost him dear. The way he handled the matter was pathetic. He was emotional and not rational. This is not becoming of a great king especially. And if he had complete trust on her character, he would have handled it completely differently. He could not sense that she was constrained, though she said that she is constrained. That is a crucial point and he missed it. Also, if he had applied his mind, he would have figured out that it is not falling in place - as Jodha was willingly engaged to Suryabhan who is now dead, he has even eavesdropped on their conversation. So, where is the question of her having an affair from childhood? It is very funny to hear that she drank the poison to win his trust and later take revenge, when she said clearly that she may not open her eyes again. And she would want to live in the first place to take revenge on him. He did the same mistake earlier and accused her of bearing someone's child. And she established her purity, which Salimar swore during her discussion with him. Khair! When Hamida and Salima trust Jodha totally why can't he? Every time, his badi ammi says something he deems it as a fact. Why can't he logicise it? But if one were to raise a finger against his dear badi ammi they would be dead, here again, he is emotional and not rational. Remember Jodha tells him to look at truth and not carried away by relation?

Even now, when he runs to Amer to bring Jodha back, he has failed miserably - he did not pause to think as to what Jodha would have done. He knows that Jodha has pledged not to go to Amer in parithyag state. I am not sure if he even checked with his security folks on which direction Jodha went. He seems to be operating on impulse. Not sure how he could run a kingdom!

I feel his dream scene of being accepted so easily also depicts immaturity and misplaced view of Jodha. He seems to lack to understand her. But maybe, you cannot blame him in a way, given the environment in which he has been living. He definitely is not used to these and is unable to fathom I suppose. He is in the learning process.

I somehow feel there is some character assassination of Jalal or was it meant to be projected so?

And after he understood that Jodha has an affair, due to his love for her he could not hurt her directly, but he still wanted to take his revenge and wanted to hurt her by killing her lover. Pl recollect Mirza's words here again - he is happy if Shivani is happy - true love is selfless and genuinely wanting the happiness of the loved one. So, here, it was not Jodha before him. Had he told her that he will unite her with her lover and gives her azaadi from his rishta, as her happiness is more important to him, I think Jodha would have been floored for a change. But his emotions and desire takes precedence.

Also, he has been wanting to have her so much, but is constrained by his promise and also does not want to upset Jodha (fear of loosing her). It was not that I will wait for her to want it. I want her to be comfortable first. Even in Sujamal case, he says MA that I do not want her to think that I am doubting her. Instead if he had had an open conversation with her saying he trusts her but he heard something about her and would like to know about it, things would have been different. This is how true friends behave.

It is not that his love is not true. He loves her very much that he cannot live without her - he is so emotionally bound with her. But as we discussed before, only emotions are not enough for true love. It is just one part, but a bigger part is TRUST. That is why, we see Jodha not making such advances as him or being so emotional or irrational, as trust is the basis of her love. She even told him that she no more hates him as he trusts her. So, this is the biggest lesson for him, that trust is the core of true love. And once he has this unsullied trust in her, their relationship can never be at risk. Even badi ammi cannot do a thing!

Ekta and team has done a brilliant job in bringing out these aspects and in building such a deep relationship so well. They are taking us slowly to the scenario where Jalal and Jodha develop this implicit unsullied trust in each other, laying the strong foundation from where they kick start the journey of eternal love, which made history.

Till then, Jalal deserves only MA where his unsullied trust lies at the moment. Isn't it said that you get what you believe in?!

I actually felt disgusted after the showdown by Jalal. I wanted to quit the show (not yet again Jalal was my feeling, am tired of this!) and definitely wanted Jodha to move away for him to learn the basics.

Thanks for your patient reading.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Thanks Jiya for sharing this thread. 😃
I had missed this post, it wonderfully written.

Originally posted by: tamy267

Maddy...🤗

I want to share Divya's post in CVs injustice to Jodha.

A must read.