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Posted: 11 years ago

#251

The author of Jaya, Devdutt Pattanaik tweeted the entire Jaya in 36 tweets , so sharing it here :)

Devdutt Pattanaik @devduttmyth

00/36 Story of Mahabharata (#Jaya) 1 lakh verses contained in 18 chapters follows in 36 (18x2) tweets. book link: http://goo.gl/527rH2

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01/36 Prince of Hastinapur is named Bhisma after he gives up sex & inheritance so that his father can marry an ambitious fisherwoman. #Jaya

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02/36 Fisherwoman Satyavati's sons die childless. Poet Vyasa is called to impregnate the 2 widows who beget 2 sons: 1 blind & 1 pale #Jaya

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03/36 Pale younger Pandu gets crown, 2 wives and curse of death if he touches a woman. Effectively childless, he withdraws to forest #Jaya

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04/36 Blind elder Dhritarashtra becomes regent and clings to throne. He gets a wife Gandhari who blindfolds herself #Jaya

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05/36 Pandu's 1st wife Kunti uses a mantra and compels 3 gods to give her 3 sons. Same mantra gets 2nd wife Madri twin sons #Jaya

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06/36 Impatient and frustrated Gandhari strikes pregnant belly. Out comes a ball of flesh that Vyasa transforms into 100 sons #Jaya

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07/36 Dhritarashtra's 100 Kauravs raised in palace. Pandu's 5 Pandavs raised in forest. Pandu dies soon after. Madri kills herself #Jaya

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08/36 Orphaned Pandavs return to palace with Kunti and raised alongside resentful Kauravs. Bhisma appoints Drona as joint tutor #Jaya

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09/36 As tuition fee for martial training Drona demands half of Panchala kingdom to settle an old score. Pandavs make it happen #Jaya

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10/36 Blind uncle gifts triumphant Pandavs a (lac) palace. Kauravs set it aflame. Pandavs escape bid on life and hide in forest #Jaya

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11/36 In forest mighty Pandav Bhim kills barbarian Baka & Hidimba and marries their sister Hidimbi who begets a son Ghatotkacha #Jaya

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12/36 Panchala-king Drupada hopes to avenge division of his kingdom through daughter Draupadi and sons Shikhandi and Dhristadhyumna #Jaya

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13/36 Talented charitable Karna disqualified from archery contest at Panchala as he is charioteer's foster son, unworthy of princess #Jaya

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14/36 Archer Pandav Arjun disguised as priest wins contest; wins Draupadi; shares her with brothers on mother's orders #Jaya

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15/36 Pandavs meet and befriend their cousin Krishna at Panchala archery contest. Receive support on revealing true identity. #Jaya

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16/36 With Krishna as friend and Draupada as father-in-law, Pandavs boldly return to Hastinapur and claim their father's inheritance #Jaya

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17/36 Kingdom divided. Pandavs get the forest of Khandava, which they burn and clear to build fabulous city of Indraprastha #Jaya

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18/36 Arjun, exiled for intruding Draupadi's privacy, travels, meets and marries Uloopi, Chitrangada and Krishna's sister, Subhadra #Jaya

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19/36 Guided by Krishna, Bhim kills mighty Jarasandha in duel. Impressed, all kings attend eldest Pandav Yudhishtir's coronation # Jaya

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20/36 Jealous Kaurav Duryodhan invites Pandavs to gamble. Yudhishtir loses kingdom, himself, brothers and common wife Draupadi #Jaya

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21/36 Jubilant Kaurav Dushasan tries disrobing haughty Draupadi to humiliate Pandavs but she is rescued by Krishna's miracle #Jaya

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22/36 Draupadi swears to tie hair after washing it in Dushasan's blood. Unnerved Kauravs grant Pandavs 1 more game to win back kingdom #Jaya

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23/36 Pandavs lose. Exiled in forest for 13 years. Final year as servants: humiliation as well as lesson in humility #Jaya

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24/36 Exile over. Kauravs refuse to return Pandav land. Peace efforts fail. Pandavs declare war with 7 armies. Kauravs have 11. #Jaya

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25/36 Armies meet at Kurukshetra. Before war, Arjun loses confidence. Krishna gives him perspective (Bhagavad Gita). 18-day war starts #Jaya

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26/36 Bhisma can choose hour of death; blocks victory; lowers bow before transsexual Shikhandi; pinned to ground by Arjun's arrows #Jaya

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27/36 Drona is next commander; ruthlessly breaks all rules of war; fights at night; gets Abhimanyu and Ghatotkacha killed #Jaya

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28/36 False rumours that his son (or elephant) Ashwatthama is dead makes Drona lower his bow; Dhristadhyumna beheads him #Jaya

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29/36 Karna leads Kauravs despite knowing he is Kunti's illegitimate abandoned firstborn. Ignorant Pandavs mock his low status #Jaya

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30/36 On Krishna's advice, Arjun kills unarmed Karna as latter tries to pull out chariot wheel stuck in mud; consumed by guilt later #Jaya

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31/36 Bhim kills all Kauravs; drinks Dushasan's blood; washes & ties Draupadi's hair; unlawfully strikes Duryodhan fatally on thigh #Jaya

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32/36 The Pandavs celebrate victory. Ashwatthama sets aflame battle camp at night and kills Draupadi's 5 sons & 2 bros as they sleep #Jaya

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33/36 Yudhishtir crowned king. Only surviving heir alive is Abhimanyu's unborn son, Parikshit. Mother, uncle, aunt go to forest to die #Jaya

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34/36 After a long successful reign, Yudhishtir learns of Krishna's death and renounces kingdom #Jaya

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35/36 Pandavs & Draupadi travel to mountains. All fall to their deaths except Yudhishtir who is granted access to paradise #Jaya

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36/36 Yudhishtir finds Kauravs in paradise! He is furious until he realises: as long as he clings to rage, heaven can never be his #Jaya

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#Jaya Ho!

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#252

Duri calls DPadi a wh**e before Karna does during the game

"Ahh father, I cannot stand it. Those boys came out of the jungle one day and now are the bane of my very existence, I cannot bear it especially not after that wh**e laughed at me. I must destroy them all"

From the MB: a modern retelling

In the same book Yudi waged the treasury's gold and jewels, his granary and his army. And lost

THEN Shakuni made an offer to a frozen Yudhistir saying, I will wager all you have lost but what do you have left Emperor?

The answer: O Shakuni I wager my brother Nakul

NO mention in this version that I have in my hand as we speak of the city, the land or the country. So IF SP have followed the author I am reading right now, then IP was not waged before Nakul.

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#253

Originally posted by: DrModel
Duri calls DPadi a wh**e before Karna does during the game
"Ahh father, I cannot stand it. Those boys came out of the jungle one day and now are the bane of my very existence, I cannot bear it especially not after that wh**e laughed at me. I must destroy them all"

From the MB: a modern retelling

In the same book Yudi waged the treasury's gold and jewels, his granary and his army. And lost

THEN Shakuni made an offer to a frozen Yudhistir saying, I will wager all you have lost but what do you have left Emperor?

The answer: O Shakuni I wager my brother Nakul

NO mention in this version that I have in my hand as we speak of the city, the land or the country. So IF SP have followed the author I am reading right now, then IP was not waged before Nakul.

But if he had kingdom left why would he wager his brother?

Yudi doesn't seem like the person to wager his brother's if he had something left

may be losing the army meant he has lost the kingdom as well its just worded differently or else yudi would never stake his brother's first until unless he had truly lost everything

in any case yudi did stake a lot and lost a lot before staking his brother's didnt just directly jump to his brother's in any version

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#254

Excerpts from what I am reading; they do not form the entire chapter and are just points that I found interesting and curous and so I am posting them here for my friends (mods they are best suited in this thread for now; feel free to move them if not)

1. Yudhishtira sat grimly across from Shakuni, who twirled his ivory dice1 in manicured hands. Yudhishtira, also, had dice to throw: innocent dice that rolled true to chance, unlike the loaded ones Shakuni fondled.

2. The Pandava cast his dice first and scored well. But his eyes bland, Shakuni out-threw him. That first throw was critical; if Yudhishtira had won, he may not have lost control of himself as he did. But then, that is how fate arranged it and the Pandava's kshatriya blood was roused, when there was little use for it in a game of dice. He was seized by an hour's madness, which would cost him dearly.

3. His brothers looked at him in alarm. He did not even glance at them any more. He only spun his dice and threw them; and after him, Shakuni, his pale eyes mocking, his plump fingers full of deceit.

4. His brothers sat rooted, nothing they could do any more. It was as if fate had taken Yudhishtira in relentless hands and played him like a puppet, for fathomless reasons.

5. Shakuni was mocking Yudhishtira. "You have nothing left to wager, Pandava." An ashen-faced Yudhishtira sat frozen over the dice. Shakuni made an offer. "Just to show you I am generous, I will wager everything you have lost so far. But do you have anything left, which you can lay down against my stake? I think not, O Emperor." Yudhishtira did not speak for an age. Then, suddenly, as if he was inspired and had found his way out of staggering misfortune, he cried, "I wager my brother Nakula, who is dark and handsome and as strong as ten of your best men!" The court gasped. Yudhishtira's brothers sat motionless and, to his everlasting credit, Nakula showed no flicker of any emotion, let alone protest.

6. A dreadful cold gripped Yudhishtira. How swiftly ruin had come to him, in a few rolls of the ivory dice. He hardly knew what he did anymore; someone else, who was determined to destroy him, ruled his head and heart and spoke from his lips. Yudhishtira, son of Pandu, son of Dharma Deva, would never wager his brothers at a game of dice. But he had done just that.

7. It was not over yet. Shakuni was saying in his sly lisp, "And now what will you wager, O Emperor? You still have two brothers left, but you do not put them up. Perhaps you don't think your own brothers are as precious as Madri's sons. Or, maybe, they are less dispensable?"

8. Shakuni's reptilian voice was saying, "You think you have lost everything, Yudhishtira? But no, there is still one possession you have which we will accept as a final stake." "I have nothing left, not even myself." "But that isn't true!" hissed Shakuni. "You have not yet wagered Draupadi."

9. Shakuni sneered, "She is your most precious possession, that you wagered yourself before you wagered her. It is only fair that you have the first throw. Go on, I am sure you will win everything back. How could the Pandavas' fortunes have changed so quickly, so completely?" He turned to Duryodhana and they both laughed. Yudhishtira cast the dice for the last time, as if he now played with his very life. He raised a fair score and, for the first time, turned his gentle eyes to Shakuni's slitted ones. There was such imploration on the Pandava's face, that even the cold Shakuni turned his gaze away. But when the dice stopped rolling, Duryodhana's yell echoed in the stunned sabha. "Won!" he roared, hugging his uncle. "Draupadi is ours!" Yudhishtira sat numb; now he had truly lost everything.

Taken from:

Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 1. iUniverse. Kindle Edition.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#255

Originally posted by: shani88

StarYudi is staking his bros basically because StarDuri staked his bros first...

How much "wealth" did StarYudi really lose in the first round is a different matter altogether...and CVs have not clarified this point properly...😕

My question is - EXACTLY what will prompt StarYudi to stake Draupadi?? Will we finally get a mention of Mrs. Duryodhan, who actually gets staked by ⭐️Duri in the ⭐️dice game?

OK some sources state that Shakuni says to Yudi--"will you stake your dark queen Emperor? I make you a deal; stake her and you will win back everything you have lost INCLUDING your brothers. I know you will"

And then not like Dharmraj but a desperate man wanting to win everything, Yudi will do the unthinkable.

At this point Duri will have adhikar and garv over whatever Yudi has lost so far.

Makes sense??not to me😆

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#256

Ahhh another source that states how Shakuni will veer Yudi into staking DPadi so I am guessing THIS might just be how it will go (*speculation alert*)

Shakuni was in full command of the situation. "You still have your empress" Draupadi ," he tempted. "If you stake her, perhaps she will be able to turn your tide of fortune. I am giving this advice out of sympathy for you."

Vanamali (2012-05-22). The Complete Life of Krishna: Based on the Earliest Oral Traditions and the Sacred Scriptures (Kindle Locations 4070-4072). Inner Traditions Bear & Company. Kindle Edition.

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

#257

As I have Jaya as a Kindle book, I am going to post something about Shakuni that relates to why he does what he does.

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Bhishma locked Suvala and his sons in a dungeon.

A starving and suffering Suvala came up with an idea, Let only one of us eat: the most intelligent one among us. Let only he survive and remember this great wrong done to us by Bhishma. Let him live to take vengeance.' Shakuni, the youngest, was the chosen one and alone he ate the food being served while the rest of his family starved before his eyes. Before dying, Suvala struck Shakuni's foot with a staff and cracked his ankle. Now you shall limp every time you walk. And every time you limp, remember the crime of the Kauravas against your family. Never forgive them.' Suvala had noticed Shakuni's fondness for the game of dice. He told his son, with his dying breath, When I die, take my finger bones and turn them into dice. They will be filled with my rage and will turn whichever way you want them to. That way you will always win the game of dice.'

Shakuni survived and he lived in Hastina-puri along with the Kauravas under the care of Bhishma. He pretended to be the friend of the Kauravas, but all the while he plotted the downfall of Bhishma's household just as Bhishma had destroyed his own.

Duryodhana's envy of the Pandava fortune is the root cause of the tragedy that is the Mahabharata. It is not that he has less but that his cousins have more that makes him suffer.

The story of Shakuni's family is part of many folk traditions. In some variants, Duryodhana, not Bhishma, is responsible for killing Shakuni's father and brothers.

There is a folk tale about Gandhari marrying a goat before she married Dhri because she was manglik; from the Jain retelling of the Mahabharat

Pattanaik, Devdutt (2010-08-16). Jaya: An Illustrated Retelling of the Mahabharata (pp. 140-141). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

But aren't nakul and sahdev twins?

i dont think Yudi ever differentiated in his encounter with Yama he did choose to save Nakul over his own mother's sons .I have always thought while staking he went as per age since there wasn't much age difference between Nakula and Sahdev he would have perhaps staked Nakul first but after that he did go as per age the eldest that is him was last to be staked

Besides seeing Kunti who loved Sahdev the most clearly shows she herself never differentiated between her sons and Madri's sons so i think even yudi would have been brought with the same morals

Panadavs unity is their strongest strength and what i love the most about them i don't believe there was even any friction between them even marring one woman couldn't divide them,Even in the dice hall their unity prevailed over their love for Drauapdi .Dury does tell them if they want to save Draupadi they can disown yudi and take her from here but they dont so their unity prevails again.Their unity is the most unbreakable relationship in the epic

Some sources believe he did differentiate and to atone for the differentiation that occured that day at the game of dice; he picked Nakul first when Yama asked him to pick one brother of the fallen four.

This was to show that the Yudi of dice game and the Yudi post forest and spiritual enlightenment were two different Yudis.

Kunti did not differentiate because again it is said that she was the better of the two and Madri knew it.

Excerpts:

But Madri took her aside. She clasped Kunti's hands and said, "These children will have to walk through hell together, for they are born to greatness. If you die and leave them to me, I will never be able to treat them equally. I will favor Sahadeva and Nakula over the others. And how long will the strength of a house divided against itself last?"

"Surely, knowing this, you can overcome it?" "If I wanted to live or to deceive myself, I would say yes, I could. But you and I both know that isn't the truth. For once let me be the first one with Pandu. You make no difference between your sons and mine; it is as if you are the mother of all of them. And they, even my twins, prefer you to me. You must endure this world for a lifetime still and I must follow Pandu into the land of the ancestors."

Menon, Ramesh (2006-07-20). THE MAHABHARATA: A Modern Rendering, Vol 1 iUniverse. Kindle Edition.

It is also said that DPadi was so SO beautiful that kunti knew her sons might fight over her so she ordered them to marry all 5 in order to achieve a united Pandav brotherhood. I will find this citation if I can too.

It is also said that Arjun loved Panchali the most of all his other queens BUT again for the united Pandav Brotherhood to remain intact gave his deepest devotion to Subhi.

Whether D knew this and thus favored Abhi the most is again for the reader to decide.

Bhim is ready to burn Yudi's hands in the dice hall; BUT Arjuns tops him saying our unity si what they want to break so calm yourself brother. Bhim does lose his composure

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Bhaskari

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Posted: 11 years ago

#259

i have always had a problem with this story of shakuni's dice from the bones of his father. it potrays as if shakuni's father presupposes the fall of yudi and co via a dice game and the resultant war! i mean did his dad get premonition that VH and dice game will happen for sure?? any other normal Ksatriya would have rather predicted war and told him to make a dagger or some other weapon! so sure was he that shakuni would get them to challenge to a dice game and make them lose everything???

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@DrModel

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Perhaps Shakuni's father knew his treacherous, shrewd cunning nature; and his excellence at the game of dice. thus he told Shakuni to use his FINGER's bones to make the dice for he could always tell them to turn in his favor; it was always Shakuni's plan to destroy the House of Kuru. He was not fond of fighting; scared perhaps even but he made himself an excellent dice player. And some evrsiosn state gave Yudi the confidence of winning by letting him win during a game in IP

As we saw ---- "pau bara"; and the dice turned

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