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Posted: 12 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: peridot.

Janaki, todays episode showed taht Pandu expressed desire to have kids from Ashwini twins as he wanted Yudi's brothers to be blessed with the knowledge of health, healing and also the ability to understand different types of life forms. Kunti accepts but says that this time Madri will bear the children and not she. This was because Madri sort of emotionally blackmailed her ( according to the episode)


That's interesting. According to the text, Pandu pretty much left the choice of God to Madri since he already had three able sons he was satisfied with, but if Ashwini twins were in charge of health and healing, it's really interesting that they showed Pandu wanting kids from them.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066

i meant to ask the same query as to why pandu thinks of surya's son yama but not surya himself who is not only elder to indra but pandu's kuldevata too (suryavanshi).
another is the counting - when kunti says that she has already been with 4 men and to be witha 5th would make her a prostitute, does she count her husband too??
if yes, then she's already been with 5- surya,yama,indra,vayu and pandu!
if pandu is not counted, shouldnt pandu have asked her who is the fourth one??


Pandu's kuldevta was Chandra - Chandra/Tara's son was Budh, Budh/Ila's son was Pururavas, Pururava/Urvashi's son was Ayush, Ayush/Indumati's son was Nahusha, Nahusha's son was Yayati and down it went.

Yeah, it's surprising that Pandu didn't ask her who the 4th one was. But he was also under pressure from Madri to ask Kunti for a son, so he probably didn't force the issue, thinking that Madri could give him what Kunti didn't want to. And no, it does not count her husband - that was what was inaccurate about Karna's canard on Draupadi.

But the other question, which again becomes relevant to this topic - how important were Nakul/Sahadev to the Pandavas? Yudhisthir was useful for pulling them out of Yamaraj's noose @ the lake & freeing Bhima from Nahusha, Bhima was useful for killing all the Kaurava brothers & rakshashas, Arjun killed just about every Kaurava warrior that Bhima didn't. But I don't see anything that Nakul/Sahadev did that Arjun or Bhima couldn't have done.

So why did Pandu want anybody from the Ashwins? He should have asked Madri to invoke Surya & maybe Agni or Vishwakarma.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.


Pandu's kuldevta was Chandra - Chandra/Tara's son was Budh, Budh/Ila's son was Pururavas, Pururava/Urvashi's son was Ayush, Ayush/Indumati's son was Nahusha, Nahusha's son was Yayati and down it went.

Yeah, it's surprising that Pandu didn't ask her who the 4th one was. But he was also under pressure from Madri to ask Kunti for a son, so he probably didn't force the issue, thinking that Madri could give him what Kunti didn't want to. And no, it does not count her husband - that was what was inaccurate about Karna's canard on Draupadi.

But the other question, which again becomes relevant to this topic - how important were Nakul/Sahadev to the Pandavas? Yudhisthir was useful for pulling them out of Yamaraj's noose @ the lake & freeing Bhima from Nahusha, Bhima was useful for killing all the Kaurava brothers & rakshashas, Arjun killed just about every Kaurava warrior that Bhima didn't. But I don't see anything that Nakul/Sahadev did that Arjun or Bhima couldn't have done.

So why did Pandu want anybody from the Ashwins? He should have asked Madri to invoke Surya & maybe Agni or Vishwakarma.

ThevAshwini twins are supposed to have powers to do with health and healing which should be useful to any warrior. Nakul-sahadev could have ben instrumental in keeping the Pndavas in goog health throughout their spells of vanavas and wars etc. Given the history of ill health in their ancestors health could have been a concern to Pandu. Besides had Pandu asked Kunti to invoke Surya devta , she may have made some excuse if a devta couldnt be called twice by that mantra.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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But that's not a role Nakul or Sahadev played. For instance, after the war, Nakul was put in charge of the maintenance of the army, while Sahadev was made Yudhisthir's personal attendant. They weren't the vaids of the Pandavas.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.


So why did Pandu want anybody from the Ashwins? He should have asked Madri to invoke Surya & maybe Agni or Vishwakarma.

Pandu left the choice to Madri didn't he? After he requested Kunti to invoke Yama Dharmaraj, Vayu, and Indra, I think he was satisfied and let Madri have her choice when Kunti gave her the mantra. It wasn't like what the serial showed, with Pandu specifically wanting the Ashwini Kumaras. The only reason Madri invoked them was to have two sons.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I think as a child I remember Nakul being knew animals very well, he would choose & train horses & also a great sword warrior...
Sahdev knew Jyotish very well, he was quite learned & he could predict very well, also a great warrior who killed Shakuni..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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What i know ...and it need not be right but i always read this .

With the sedate Kunti it was a typical arranged marraige sober relationship .

With the younger vivacious Madri it was a love affair , one that ultimately led to his death .

Madri was the less sedate one , naughty , always challenged Pandu . She rode horses well and made the King laugh .

Kunti never showed any feelings about this but kept quiet .

It was Pandu who requested her to let even Madri get kids and Kunti respected his wish .

Later , Pandu could not control himself when once Madri , returning wet from her morning bath , fresh like the morning dew passed him . He had sex with her and died .

It was at that time that a grief stricken Kunti spoke sharply to her which was unlike her usual nature . She blamed Madri for his death . She said that as a woman she should have had more control .

Guilt ridden , Madri accepted responsibility and decided to go sati with her lord . She told Kunti to take care of her twin boys .

Kunti did . Sahadev was her favorite and the other brothers did not mind it but looked on indulgently . He killed Shakuni later .

Madri was not vampish and such back sassing to the elder queen Kunti was unheard of in those days . Neither was Kunti a devi . Both were simply women who suffered ups and downs .

This was what i read . This serial exaggerates and goes to extremes .

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