Shiv is a criminal...isnt it? - Page 2

Originally posted by: nikkie

Yes its just a bad phase which will pass on!

But don't such phases judge how capable a human being is at withstanding such situations?

OK, I get that anger on Jagya is justified.

With the Singhs, tolerable.

But how does Anandi come into picture here?

You expect your own wife to know what is going on in her ex-hubby's mind, ok for that matter her SIL's would-be-husband's mind.

Why on earth is she supposed to know that?

And who the hell gave her the responsibility to keep a track of her ex's thoughts?

You married her so that she could move on right?

Venting out on her, not in front of her, is just a way to find a punching bag and no other.

That's makes him no different from those husbands who used to spend lavishly on their wives when they earned well and do alcohol abuse on them in their downtrodden times.

The intensity differs, but the comparison doesn't.

And the wives keep mum, cz pati to parmeshwar hai na?

Originally posted by: tssvenkat

I thinks the above points are clearly listed and I agree that there should be understanding in a married life.
But did Shiv go thro' this scenario where he is being questioned by Singhs? No

I don't think Singhs would dare point finger at Shiv even if he is completely wrong or any of his family members because Shiv is SIL right?

Especially Anandi who is the new bahu in the family, imagine how terrible she would feel with all that is happening around and she being questioned and everybody pointing fingers at her. Shiv is the only person she can shoulder on to but he is not seeing this.

I can for sure say that any husband like Shiv however angry he might be, but in their private time would first say please do not mistake us for being angry, we/ I am not angry with you but trying to understand where did we/I go wrong in judging J.

I guess over time when the couple has been married for more than 10 years or so ( I think I am reasonable with this number) they can take each other for granted and have any arguments or what ever.

Viewers are angry with Shiv, at least some of them.

Thanks for this much needed post, rashmi

Shiv is considered only if he is good towards A,
As a married womani know how good Shiv has to Anandi till date. But as a humanbeing he has the rights to be upset,
and he isn't smacking Anandi in his anger,,

I have my doubts whether Anandi will become his support system. She has till now done very little for her husband and a lot for her 'maika'and ex husband. I would have preferred her to choose maika over sasural, when told by Ira.

Originally posted by: LauraM

Viewers are angry with Shiv, at least some of them.

However, Anandi is not angry with him, and that's what counts!

Anandi's been very sad these days because she sympathizes with Shiv. The way he distances himself from Anandi shows how unhappy he is at the moment - that's why she feels bad. Not because she feels abandoned. She cares much more for him (and for the others in this matter) then for herself.

She always thinks of others first, and even now, when we (viewers) find it difficult to understand Shiv, Anandi cares for him only.

This phase of AnSh relationship is hard for characters as well as for their fans. But, let's be patient and wait for Anandi to heal his emotional wounds - I'm sure that Shiv won't let us down.

completely agree with you @rashmi !

shiv is a criminal, is a fake, is selfish, he married her for professional interests, his true colors coming out, anandi should divorce him...and also in doubt if they are still ANSH fans. why? just because shiv is supporting his family in their hour of need & is himself devastated, angry that he trusted such a man for his sister & that his wife didn't alert him if he was going wrong... 😡...too much to expect from wifey i know..😕..

its not about give & take .. but it is about understanding each other & accepting each other with their weaknesses .. and shiv has been perfect so far in these areas...

let's see what anandi has to say now...but am really mad after reading the 4th oct update ..anandi to support jagya in front of shiv...😡 whats her point ? suppprting jagya now after so much already happened? i will reserve my comments till i watch it 😉

I don't hate anandi but don't have any sympathy for her right now. What is she suffering in KB except occasional crap from saanchi and Ira. She goes and pokes her nose in saanchi's life and gets insulted. Why cannot she keep a distance from her and strongly defend her self esteem. It's high she stop giving lectures to outside woman about self respect and implement in her house. Better take a stand and even scold shiv for blaming her on trusting Jagya. Why cannot women fight their own battle without crying and feeling sorry for themselves.

Originally posted by: BeyondTheSky

completely agree with you @rashmi !

shiv is a criminal, is a fake, is selfish, he married her for professional interests, his true colors coming out, anandi should divorce him...and also in doubt if they are still ANSH fans. why? just because shiv is supporting his family in their hour of need & is himself devastated, angry that he trusted such a man for his sister & that his wife didn't alert him if he was going wrong... 😡...too much to expect from wifey i know..😕..

its not about give & take .. but it is about understanding each other & accepting each other with their weaknesses .. and shiv has been perfect so far in these areas...

let's see what anandi has to say now...but am really mad after reading the 4th oct update ..anandi to support jagya in front of shiv...😡 whats her point ? suppprting jagya now after so much already happened? i will reserve my comments till i watch it 😉

I have too little expectation from Anandi to understand shiv, Lets see how far she can go with her Jagya prem after the episode. But I want shiv to decide whether he really needs to continue the marriage, if Anandi is so mentally attached to ex husband. A break off is much better than continuing a half hearted relationship. Marriage is not only physically accepting your husband but standing by him in crisis. And I have to see what Anandi does in this case.

Originally posted by: rdjha

this is what i feel is the current wave of thinking...Shiv is great only till he is all lovey dovey and supportive to his wife. Dare his thoughts dont match hers or he doesnt support her and he is a criminal!!

And let me clear my stand...I am an AnSh fan. this post is not to bash anandi or to glorify Shiv. Its just to bring out some of my thoughts ...so bashers of either charecter, or the pair or the actors please stay away.

Let's see what Shiv has done for Anandi till date:
- he loved anandi unconditionally and married her on her insistance...because she begged him and that too to keep her mother's promise. Else he never wanted to force her.
- supported her fully in every possible way to overcome her trauma and start a fresh life
- took the torture during J amnesia track, when anandi was taking care of her lost husband...and didnt even reveal the truth just to save everyone and specially anandi from guilt and pain.
- bailed out J during the railway track even after what he did to Shiv, only to make his lady love and her family happy
- tolerated post wedding drama of anandi, gave her time, understanding and patience - which husband or even wife does that?
- went to fetch J again during the pag phera drama - again for his love's peace of mind.
- fully trusted anandi when it came to J, i dont think any husband would really tolerate such friendship of his wife and her ex, but Shiv does and we love him for that. It teaches us to keep complete faith in our partner and you would never be disappointed.
- gave up anandi for sake of J thinking that her happiness also lies in it. or was he selfish here?
- stood for her during UD fiasco, but then when he shouted at his mom, people went saying that he was too harsh...so what we really want?
- helped her realize her NGO dream and supported her even when his mom went ballastic for all the danger this noble cause brought with it.

Now let's see what Anandi has done for Shiv till date:
- put up with Ira and her illogical thinking.
- tolerated Sanchi to every possible extent.
- i cannot think of more, friends you are welcome to add, maybe i donot remember them.

now punching bag - that is what he is making Anandi now, isnt it? but if i go by above reasons who has been the punching bag for whom? and who should be now complaining? i think NO ONE!

because a husband and wife relation is such...sometimes you are the punching bag while other times you are the support system. a husband and wife relation is a 2 way thing...only one person giving and other receiving never works.

that is what happened in J-A marriage, and hence it failed. but here the marriage is of equals - and equal on every level - be it personal, professional, mental or emotional.

every time only one person cannot be sane...its a give and take relation...till now Shiv has given enough support to anandi in every possible way, he has time and again proved his love, faith and support for anandi ,

now its her turn to understand his pain and support him...and slowly help him come out of it and then show the truth. Till she brings him out of this distress...he will not be able to see the truth. and this only anandi can do. She now has to be his support system.

Shiv is not angry with Anandi ...he is more upset with himself and that he trusted J so blindly...he is not taunting anandi or putting her down reminding her of her past. but he is reliving her pain thorugh this fiasco...he is imagining anandi and her painful journey of all those years when J dumped her the same way as he did to Sanchi. He is seeing his sister going thru the same hell and hence all this anger and frustration.

and please i am not comparing Sanchi to anandi, i would never do that. Its just the way J did everything, that has somehow given a clean chit to the nasty Sanchi.

this time though Jagya being correct in his decision and choice of life partner he executed everything in an extremely wrong way. that is the reason that Shiv now thinks that J never changed, the faith he invested in J was proved wrong, this is more frustrating for him.

he is not able to forgive himself as well for all this mess and its just that he is venting it out on his wife...but isnt that what we all do? if not then either we are abnormal or Shiv is ...