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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: libsrocks

People might not want to accept this but i do feel Shiv's presence in BV had overshadowed Anandi's presence and popularity! Anandi shines as long as other characters are dull! Her popularity diminishes the moment someone better than her comes in BV!
Personally i hold much more respect for characters like Jagya, Shiv, Mangala and Gauri than Anandi! These characters had their own faults but they were realistic and relatable! Even Shiv, with all his perfections, was more enjoyable than Anandi could ever be!
Jagya earned by respect because he learned from his mistakes and grew extremely well as an character! I find him the most well-sketched character of BV! He changed but also held essence of his character!
Gauri's early days in BV was well-written! Even her frustration towards Jagya-Anandi and her own past looked relatable! It's sad that they spoiled the character to glorify Anandi and could not even give her a good exit!
Mangala, despite being a villain, was brilliant! Her evil schemes reflected more motherly love than Anandi's search for her daughter and her plans to hide the truth from her. It was hard not to feel sorry for her!
@Misseha explained why Shiv, despite being perfect and larger-than-life character, was loved by the audience! That's one character who stole Anandi's limelight and had to pay with his death for doing so!

I agree with your thoughts and share very  similar thoughts myself. 
I do agree that all these four characters you mentioned were relatable and realistc and have actually left lasting impressions on me, much more than Anandi as a character could. 
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

How can Mangala's behaviour is justified even if we dont like anandi? If anandi is not Nimboli's mother and  someone else's daughter? Mangala started torturing Nimboli also. Is it brilliance? Then Akheraj is also exceptionally brilliant.


It has got nothing to do with liking or disliking a character. It is all about assessing the situation the character was in, and analysing whether the decisions they took were the best and justified, or were they in a position to do better?

Before M ran away with N, her behaviour was alright given her conditions. Even if she used under hand methods at times, to protect herself or to achieve things she needed, it was fine. She didn't have better means and the ones she used, didnt harm anyone in the process but was rather necessary for her well being. In those days Mangala never tortured Nimboli physically or emotionally. 

Later, her behaviour was inappropriate so no one was justifying her. However, even during those inappropriate behaviour days, her motherly love for N came across convincing (at
least to some of us it did)

On the contrary Anandi's entire aura (right from losing her child to finding her or to giving away her identity) was very timid. It was as if she wants NAndini, but doesn't want to move out of her comfort zone to win her. 

So yeah, it comes down to what appealed about the character while they were facing a particular situation and how justified were their actions in their given circumstances. 
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

How can Mangala's behaviour is justified even if we dont like anandi? If anandi is not Nimboli's mother and  someone else's daughter? Mangala started torturing Nimboli also. Is it brilliance? Then Akheraj is also exceptionally brilliant.


No one justifies Mangala's wrongdoings or tries to cover them up by putting blame on others! Anandi, on the other hand, has always been protected from getting blamed in some way or the other! Either some say that it's her soft nature or other party's fault! Just why can we not have one episode where Anandi realizes her own foolishness, apologizes for the mistakes and learn from them?!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

Shiv can be compared to anyone, least of all Mangala. It will be gross injustice to Shiv. We may be angry with anandi, but that does not make others gods and goddesses. The two character who overshadowed anandi are dadisa and Shiv.
They always do this. Did not Sanchi became arch villain to glorify Ganga in the eyes of Jagya?
Did not Shiv become indecisive due to anandi's influence and also during rasika's time?
Every character has its flaws.


No one ever compared Shiv and Mangala! We are just naming the characters who have out-shined Anandi! One can say that characters like Jagya and Mangala appealed to some specific set of viewers because of their realistic traits but Shiv was far from that category! He, like Anandi, was introduced as some larger-than-life character with perfect qualities! Yet those viewers seemed to like him more than Anandi! They loved him for the very qualities that Anandi possessed but the method of showcasing those qualities or using them in certain situation was far more practical and appealing for those viewers and made him more favorable than female lead of the show!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

How can Mangala's behaviour is justified even if we dont like anandi? If anandi is not Nimboli's mother and  someone else's daughter? Mangala started torturing Nimboli also. Is it brilliance? Then Akheraj is also exceptionally brilliant.


I think no one justified Mangala's behaviour - what she did after becoming instrumental in revealing Nimboli's identity. And sympathising Mangala has nothing to do with disliking Anandi. Most of the people who sympathise with M happened to be the ones who liked Anandi (a few of them do not come to forum anymore). I personally was a strong supporter of Anandi though I never joined Ansh AT - I was with her till she was the wronged person. I mostly write against her because she is now doing more wrong that other people doing wrong against her. She is no more the semi literate hapless teenager anymore. She has education, wealth, social status and support from strong people. So, she is expected to behave maturely and to learn from her past mistakes, have courage. If creatives think that they can still make her wallowing in self-pity and unaware of scheming people around her or even have stupid reasoning (like not telling the truth to even shivam and letting him insult and hurt Nimboli) - they cannot be more wrong. People's sympathy will be more for the underdog - the one who have lesser means, support and against whom more wrongs are being done. 

 An impartial viewer may find what M did till that night the best she could - given the circumstances she was living. And till that night - she did not harm anyone - had helped a few people she can and generally was a good influence for the people who would listen to her - mainly Kamli and Nimboli. It is another matter that the forum saw most vitriolic outburst against her instead of the villains - Harki and Akheraj or even kundan. 

She did all wrongs after that night - and I think she wronged Nimboli and not Anandi/J/DS/Anant etc. Her action resulted in emotional torture of Nimboli - though if we see impartially, her intention was not to hurt Nimboli but to ensure that she remains with her. She knew she does not have a legal right over Nimboli and she was nowhere in wealth, status and power compared to biological mother of this girl. She ran away - Kamli suggested but it suited her so she followed the advice - therefore I cannot say that it was Kamli's fault. 

But what followed was more of a fault on the enlightened, educated, rich and powerful people. Anandi was not lachar - she did not use her mind and so did J, DS and others. When they knew that this lady had saved Nimboli from under the sword and took care of her and even saved the clothes and locket so that she could be identified, and she herself told J that she does not want to be separated from Nimboli - they should have searched for Nimboli and M just like people do to search someone who went away in anger/fear (children running away after failing exams etc.) people spread word - jaha bhi ho ghar aa jao - koi kuch nahi kahega type messages - to assure the eloped person to know that people will not be hostile towards them. Here, the search was like an escaped criminal - much more intense that search of Akheraj, actually, they did not searched Akheraj at all. 

Even after that - when J and Anandi finally found them at mandir - instead of slapping and pushing away - she should have been assured. Instead of believing her words that she will make Nimboli accept Anandi (how could they think that the woman who made Nimboli call herself as Maa would make her go away from her to Anandi?) - they should have told her that it is in best interest of Nimboli to be restored to her biological mother, Jhalra was not safe and the girl was still illiterate. For all her faults - M always loved Nimboli. Even when she brought a fake mother - M wanted   to dissuade Nimboli for wanting to know about biological mother - and not to hurt her emotionally. 

No one can say M was right in doing those things - the lies to Nimboli, bringing in fake mother etc. But we have to accept that she has no other motive than to keep the child with her and this is understandable - if someone cares for a child from 3 months onward - it is difficult to just let go as if she was some lost article that is to be returned to previous owner. If only Anandi and BH people assured her, insisted upon welfare of Nimboli (instead of showering of expansive gifts that would have made M feel more insecure) and that she will always be accessible to M that Nimboli living with Anandi does not mean she will be cut off from M. If after all the assurances and telling the truth to Nimboli - M still used scheming etc. - she could be faulted more than Anandi. Then the sympathy would be towards Anandi and not towards M. 

If only the writers had guts to show powerful and rich people doing right things instead of the poor, hapless woman doing wrong things - the story would have been much more watchable. Anandi did nothing to win Nimboli's trust and love. A thousands hugs and a hundred gifts without telling truth means nothing and seem like bribe. 

The story could be interesting in many other ways too - like M refusing to handover Nimboli, Anandi relocating to Jhalra and win trust of Nimboli and disclosing truth to her etc. But creatives choose the worst possible and illogical way for the reunion. Hence the frustration. 
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: libsrocks


No one justifies Mangala's wrongdoings or tries to cover them up by putting blame on others! Anandi, on the other hand, has always been protected from getting blamed in some way or the other! Either some say that it's her soft nature or other party's fault! Just why can we not have one episode where Anandi realizes her own foolishness, apologizes for the mistakes and learn from them?!


Even in the serial it was never shown that Anandi realised her mistakes, or learnt from her experiences. 
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Posted: 8 years ago
The very fact that a hardcore Jagya fan like Sidra accepting Shiv as a good character, and a Diehard Shiv fan like Libs appreciating the character growth of Jagya, can be termed as an accomplishment to their respective characters.,, which anandi's character has never managed to attain in her character graph so far. Even neutral viewers recognise how stagnant anandi has been as a character.,it's the creatives and the writers who must be considered responsible for this.Edited by SudHaVeN- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves


They always do this. Did not Sanchi became arch villain to glorify Ganga in the eyes of Jagya?

Sanchi did not become arch villain to glorify Ganga in eyes of Jagya  . 

Sanchi's drama was created to glorify Anandi Sanchi was introduced before Ganga in the show and she was pitted against Anandi . and in the end she was asked to be like Anandi if she wants to be good woman , follow Anandi's footsteps 
so was the drama to glorify Ganga or Anandi ðŸ˜†The drama was  certainly for Anandi 


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Posted: 8 years ago
@i agree with sidra , librocks , Missesha and shadow fox 

This is what happens in this serial Whenever a character starts overshadowing Anandi he is either turned grey and made to commit silly mistakes which only benefit Anandi or either he is bumped off 
 Viewers are frustrated seeing this drama again and again ðŸ¥±Even with all this,  viewers cannot enjoy Anandi's character because her character has no growth at all . Anandi's character graph has only gone down and she has become most irritating figure in the show ðŸ¤¢

Edited by Hina- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
i also agree wid sidra,hina,libs,esha ,puja & oders who say that anandi's ckt has bcum stagnant & she only shines wen oder ckts from gauri 2 mangla r made -ve or grey.
whether its gauri or jagya or shiv or ganga or now mangla all r butchered sumwhere 2 glorify anandi esply wen these ckts started 2 outshine her.now ganga's ckt is back 2 earlier but her ckt has been reduced 2 sum side kick of anandiji. CVs can't see anoder +ve female  ckt outshine anandi.either -they were/r turned -ve like gauri/mangla or reduced 2 nothing like ganga.
Edited by tiny15 - 8 years ago