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Posted: 12 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: pieryrose

the biggest problem is that the director and the writer isnt taking into considerations of muslim practices and they not implementing those practices in the serial..just like serials based on hindi culture, where they show numerous poojas and superstitious beliefs,saat janam thing and the way they do the occasions, their attire for occasions and stuff, similarly gul should have implemented Islam culture in qh.. they should have shown what Muslim culture is abt.. such as all women wearing hijab, not visiting mazar since its shirk, etc ...when hindi culture based serials show their practices in their serial, y cant Muslim culture based serials show Muslim beliefs and practices?? if they are unable to show what Muslim culture and how Muslim live, then gul shouldn't have made this serial... its not a joke for us seeing Muslim culture being pictured totally different from what we Muslims actually believe.. its a huge issue actually.. gul should have thought abt these imp things before she even took the decision of making and islam related serial... the way she is showing this is like making fun of Islam and Muslims..

Islam is perfect, we aren't.., blame it on us . not on our religion Islam


I am sure you didn't mean to cause offense, but you might want to be careful about the word "superstitious" 😊 Just a heads up here!

I was raised a Hindu, and what they show on TV shows doesn't even come remotely close to anything I am familiar with. There is a lot of diversity in the way both Hindus and Muslims practice their faith in South Asia. So what might look weird to one person might just be lack of familiarity.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Do you really think whatever religious aspects they show in hindu-based shows are all true? Half of them are exaggerated and wrong..
You don't realize because you don't know about the culture and We don't point them out because we are used to such scenes by now😆

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mitwakaishq



The key word 'backdrop'. It's not the foreground and the show is certainly not exploring theology; the Indian Muslim culture is the backdrop. Muslim culture which has evolved and adapted as it grew in India. Saudi Muslims are worlds apart from Indian Muslims. Heck, even Pakistani Muslims are different from Indian Muslims despite being neighbours and having the same roots because the 50 years of separation has resulted in their Muslim cultures evolving differently.

QH has shown Islamic religious practices -- they've shown people to pray and most recently a Quran Khawani, and that is within the context of what is common practice. Not everyone attends a Tarawi on a daily basis etc. and this is true of most Muslims today.

Yes, there are people who recite the Quran daily and observe all 5 prayers but these are all v. personal and private practices -- no one does them for show, and therefore showing such scenes would negate this notion of personal and private religion, and take away from the v. core of the religion which is humility and modesty even in devotion, reverence and worship.

There are plenty of Muslim who don't do the aforementioned and they believe in their religion. Religion is something that is a part of your individual choice, and if it's normal practice, it is not something you need to discuss or mention constantly because there is no need; it is what it is and it's there for you. It's not about a display of belief but the strength of belief.

Furthermore, the things that are ingrained and part of our second nature we do not ever feel the need to depict, discuss or display because what we already know we don't need to spell it out for ourselves, and we assume we don't need to spell it out for other people, either. It just is and drawing attention to it would be taking away from the Muslim culture in India because it would suggest that it's unknown practice.

You don't have characters who are drinking, or attending parties right, left and centre in clothes which are against the Islamic code. Even the issue of bigamy is being treated appropriately -- they aren't congratulating Rashid on his poor behaviour towards his first (and now ex) wife or his second wife, but they are showing a man who knows he has made a mistake and is repenting for it.




@bold: Absolutely! Islam in South India looks VERY different from Islam in North India...I really don't think there is any homogeneity even within India!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said !!!

Now some people who are saying it's not a religious show but when the show is promoted with muslim background then automatically everyone whether muslim or non-muslim watching it looks at any islmaic practices shown in the show from that perspective so it's important to show them either correctly or don't show them at all and don't promote it as a show with muslim background.

it's better not to show anything related to religion than to show misleading things or half baked truth - it's misguiding those who don't know much about islam.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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but the point is, these CVs should do a thorough job before showing any islamic religion practices..

look at Nikah ceremony, in all 3 occasions.. there was no Wali (guardian) who asks Zoya whether she accepts the groom or not.. in QH, it was Qazi himself asks, which is wrong.. its always Wali's job to ask the bride.. Qazi asks the groom, not the bride..

When Zoya offers namaaz for Dilshad's safety, her sitting posture was incorrect.. men sit like that, women don't..

What Zoya wore in Quran Khawni was wrong.. read the thread "Tehzeeb and Islam".. one member, Tanvi explained it beautifully..

@ Red.. so Dilshad is Rashid's EX wife.. fair enough! Now I fail to understand that why Rashid and Dilshad are still longing for each other when they already got divorced.. without practicing Halala, Dilshad can NOT go back to Rashid's life again.. and no muslim mid aged divorced couple still act like a lovesick puppy to their ex partner..

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PS. The quote feature is messing up hence why I've had to write the post like this.

They also get marriage rites wrong in Hindu ceremonies in Indian shows -- a lot of it comes down the visuals rather than anything else. If something doesn't look right or hinders the speed of the narrative, then it will be omitted and this is a universal trope in films, television and literature because rather than informing the public, it's more about entertaining the public. Like I said in my first post, there are a lot of dramatic liberties in TV shows, which includes the posture for the prayer in QH, and the countless misrepresentations of Hindu rites and religious practices.

With regards to Zoya's outfit at the Quran Khawani, I think that was the point that show was trying to make -- that religion is in one's heart not in their outfit. There's no point in sitting in a Quran Khawani or any religious offering, if one is dressed appropriately but has malice and judgment in their heart, then is that prayer is not valid either. It was also to expound the hypocrisy of some cultural practices like the woman wearing the less-than-appropriate saree and being dressed to nines in jewellery for a religious gathering that requires humility. The idea that cultural origin of a dress defines modesty is being challenged here: that what Zoya was wearing was far more appropriate than the saree and the jewellery and make-up that the 'tehzeeb-yafta' women were wearing.

Re: Dilshaad and Rashid

You are applying religious standards to actions that are stemming from emotions. Take out of the equation that these two are Muslim; they are first and foremost human, which means they feel. They didn't get divorced because they hated each other or because they could no longer abide by one another but because Rashid was forced to make a choice. Dilshaad never stopped loving Rashid but she stayed away from him, as he stayed away from her, even though she remained his true love (I have yet to see evidence where he feels anything for Shireen that is in the same ball park as what he feels for Dilshaad).

In my experience, no amount of social diktats and religious codes have ever been able to take precedence over overwhelming human emotion. As you keep saying, it's not the religion that is at fault, but the people. People make mistakes and they often despite their understanding and initial acceptance of rules and moral codes. Also, I'd like to add that these two are lovesick puppies because their love never died and they were separated by Rashid's poor choices rather than any love lost between the two.

Furthermore, the story thus far has not suggested that Rashid and Dilshaad want to get remarried; just that there is a lot of hurt on both sides and Rashid is the one who wants to reconnect with Dilshaad, and while initially Dilshaad resisted, after finding out the truth (sort-of), she wants answers to the questions that she has every right to ask.

Re: Polygamy

Also, polygamy is legally allowed in India for Muslims because it is allowed in Islam. There are of course stipulations before you can marry your next wife, but the main stipulation is that you treat them equally in terms of time, money and affection, and that you have to have the expressed permission from your first wife.

So just because the religion dictates one thing, the cultural practices are often quite different. I mean for all intents and purposes, Zoya shouldn't be interacting with Asad or being in the close proximity that she is with him, since he is non-mehram. That's the point that should be noted -- this is not a show about Islam, it's a show about a family that represents a faction of the Muslim culture in India. World of difference. If people genuinely interested will go do the research for themselves, or come to forums, where there are clearly enough people to point out the discrepancies.
Edited by mitwakaishq - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: narangi314

I was raised a Hindu, and what they show on TV shows doesn't even come remotely close to anything I am familiar with.



This is my material point -- depiction of any religion is never true to the letter because there are discrepancies courtesy of culture, and far more importantly as a result of visual aesthetics.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: bramcote46

Well said !!!


Now some people who are saying it's not a religious show but when the show is promoted with muslim background then automatically everyone whether muslim or non-muslim watching it looks at any islmaic practices shown in the show from that perspective so it's important to show them either correctly or don't show them at all and don't promote it as a show with muslim background.

it's better not to show anything related to religion than to show misleading things or half baked truth - it's misguiding those who don't know much about islam.



Muslim background but not Islamic theology. Practices vary from community to community. Shia practices are vastly different from Sunni practices and even within those groups, there are further divisions in practice. They didn't promote it as a Muslim show but a drama about Muslims characters (although the wording of the official synopsis leaves a great deal to be desired), which means more than the religion, it is exploring the culture.
Edited by mitwakaishq - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have always felt that TV shows is the last place one should turn to in order to know about any culture or religion. Even the shows based on Hindu families do not depict everything how Hindus actually practice their religion. I have heard many Hindus complain how they are not as superstitious or do not indulge in overt religious practices as people on the shows. Ultimately, I think the story is intended to be about two families who happen to be Muslims and not a show about Islam.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: S.Stephy

I have always felt that TV shows is the last place one should turn to in order to know about any culture or religion. Even the shows based on Hindu families do not depict everything how Hindus actually practice their religion. I have heard many Hindus complain how they are not as superstitious or do not indulge in overt religious practices as people on the shows. Ultimately, I think the story is intended to be about two families who happen to be Muslims and not a show about Islam.


I think the trouble comes from the fact that the PH has invited this ... they did claim to want to "clear misconceptions" about muslims...whatever that means.

We can be cynical about that...and i think we would be totally justified!

But they opened the door themselves!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mitwakaishq



Muslim background but not Islamic theology. Practices vary from community to community. Shia practices are vastly different from Sunni practices and even within those groups, there are further divisions in practice. They didn't promote it as a Muslim show but a drama about Muslims characters (although the wording of the official synopsis leaves a great deal to be desired), which means more than the religion, it is exploring the culture.


Well i know they are not showing shia practices or culture ...Being a muslim when i notice a few wrong things then i end up thinking that those who are non-muslim will take it as the right practice/culture.

I can understand that CVs are not showing Islamic thology but a lot of daily practices in muslims culture are directly associated with religion .That's why i am saying either show it correctly or don't show it at all.

At the time when muslim culture is scrutinised all over the world and QH viewers are from all over the world - is it right to show some misleading facts about a certian religion or culture ??? IF is a small example where every little thing is getting discussed in relation to it being a muslim show so think about wider platform.

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