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Posted: 12 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: sunflower52

Unless and until the government and society does not have strict laws for rape and sexual harassment. This trend will continue.

On top of this the item songs are taken wrong way by sickos.

Those guys who did that to poor girl should have their balls cut in public then they will and others who think like them will know humiliation.

Item songs should be ban and government pass strict laws.



One can't fix psychos.

I am for stricter laws but there should be better implementation of laws. Problem is some police does not even have sensitivity to handle rape case. So apart from stricter laws there has to more women police constables so that a woman can feel comfortable going to police stations even at night. Fast track courts in every rape case. Guilty should be sent to jail within a month.

I am not in favor of capital punishment though. Put him in jail for 10-14 years and let him get similar feeling whenever he drops the soap in jail.

I am not at all in favor of banning item songs. Banning item songs is not going to prevent rape. I am in favor of starting adult entertainment in India similar to what USA has.

Also guys need to mingle/talk with girls more. In India problem is talking with girls is taboo especially in rural India or small cities. I believe talking with girls, knowing them would make one respect them more. So instead of checking her out he would be more interested in having a decent conversation with her.

I think this is not a problem only with India but in Asia because Asians are know as lookers (Keep staring at girls) in dance clubs in USA.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@don12 rape is the most heinous crime committed by a man against a woman.

Yes it does help when men like these get taste of their own medicine.

Unless and until the society does not change their ideologies that oppresses women we will get such instances with policemen.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: exkkfan

people still going gaga over it...on one hand they are talking about showing some respect to women and then the same stars are using derogatory words and lyrics for women to attract such masses...they are just adding fuel to the fire and making the situation worse...removing item songs from the movie is not the solution but using words such as chikni/munni/laundiya could be avoided atleast from the songs if you really want to show respect towards females...


As someone else said earlier, "eve-teasing" is also very common in the West--except it's called catcalling in the US. I'll grant that it's not as prevalent and one wouldn't come across it as ubiquitously as one would in India and other places. (Though perhaps it was more prevalent decades earlier here.)

Stopping item numbers aren't going to stop men from eve teasing. They need to learn to have some respect and decorum. It may or may not be okay at dancer bars as such (as item numbers show) but not on the streets.

And I will just write what I wrote here in the Bebo topic. The item numbers do not tell men to go out and rape women. Most of the item numbers are dance girls, and these item numbers do not show that the men can just do anything they want with the dance girls. Few of them show some rowdy men starting to cross their limits, and the hero would step in. But for the most part, the men just enjoy within their limits. If anything what these item numbers show is that there are limits and boundaries that the men have to keep with even the naach girls--no matter how sexual or vulgar the girls' performances are.

And then there are the very few item numbers such as Khallas where the woman is more so participating and clubbing for her own pleasure and fun.

None of these tell a man to sexually molest or rape a woman. None of these tell a man it's okay to do anything without consent.

Now I will agree that there are other problematic things: stalking, slapping, etc etc. But item numbers? How easy to just blame item numbers.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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"Over spring break, I was fortunate enough to spend some time in Brazil. As my friends and I sat by the beach trying to soak in as much of the culture and sun as possible, a catcall grabbed our attention. A waiter was calling out to a lady passing by and she seemed to enjoy the attention she received.I couldn't help but think about eve-teasing in Bangladesh and how differently it is perceived there.

In Bangladesh, 'eve-teasing' is seemingly innocent name for girls and women being ogled, taunted, harassed, humiliated, sexually molested, and assaulted – and in extreme cases has led to girls being attacked with acid, abducted and raped. While there are marches against eve teasing and more recently a law passed to punish those who tease, little is being done to address the underlying cause of this problem – the status of women.

When the norm is to treat women as inferior to men, it almost naturally follows that as lesser beings, women would be subject to harassment without so much as an ounce of guilt on the part of the teaser. This forms another norm in society where these harassments are accepted; otherwise observers would stop these louts.

Nave realism is the theory that we think we see the world as it really is and in a disagreement, the further the other party's views are from ours, the more biased and misinformed we think they are. This is a problem in Bangladesh, where religion and culture are used to justify unequal treatment of women. Perception of teasing differs between the 'teaser' and 'teased'. A 'teaser' may think he is teasing women just like everyone else and that he is not treating any woman differently. To the girl being teased, she may feel singled out and think she may have done something to warrant this type of behavior. This can explain why it causes so much anxiety in young women to the extent that they feel the need to commit suicide. In April last year, thirteen-year-old Umme Kulsum Elora committed suicide by swallowing pesticide after being repeatedly harassed by some hoodlums including 20-year-old Rezaul Karim. She was among 20 girls who committed suicide due to eve-teasing in the past year alone.

It is common knowledge that women should avoid walking by themselves and using public transport even in broad daylight because they risk being harassed at the least or even kidnapped and assaulted. What is worse is that in almost all cases, the victim is blamed for being harassed. When people cannot justify why horrible things happen to innocent people, they reduce their cognitive dissonance by blaming the victim.

This is not unique to Bangladesh. In many societies, including in the United States, rape victims are considered damaged, as though what was done to them was their own doing. Victim blame was also used to justify racism in the United States – harassment or unequal treatment of those whom society considered inferior. Armies use a variation of this when training soldiers who are going to fight in another country. By mentally conditioning soldiers to think that foreign enemy is of a lower status, soldiers are able to attack and kill the enemy more readily.

Eve teasing is an important issue that needs urgent attention. A recent study by the Bangladesh National Women Lawyers Association showed that nearly 90 percent of girls aged between 10 and 18 have experienced eve teasing. About 13,000 women became victims of harassment and violence across the country during January-July, 2008. In 2010, eve-teasing resulted in 20 instances of suicide.

Just a few years after Bangladesh's liberation, the government established the Ministry of Women's Affairs. Dhaka Metropolitan Police Ordinance of 1976 first addressed the eve-teasing directly. Section 76 of the ordinance defines eve- teasing as, "willful and indecent exposure of ones person in any street or public place within sight of, and in such manner as may be seen by, any woman, whether from within any house or building or not, or willful pressing or obstructing any woman in a street or public place or insulting or annoying any woman by using indecent language or making indecent sounds, gestures, or remarks in any street or public place". This act is punishable with a maximum one year of imprisonment, or with a maximum fine of Tk. 2,000, or both. However, enacting a law against eve teasing in a country where rule of law is weak is not the answer. In addition, it is difficult to prove cases where the aggression is not physical. Society could empower young girls to remain unaffected by verbal teasing. Unless women enjoy a higher status so that they are treated with respect and unless society recalibrates what it means to be a man, instances of eve teasing are unlikely to decrease.

Social psychologists have long argued that people do not act in a void. Situation is as important a factor in explaining people's action as their own preferences, heuristics and beliefs. The fundamental attribution error we make when we march against eve teasers is that we attribute the root cause of teasing as starting with the teaser. We assume that the teaser is acting in a vacuum based on his preferences alone.

In an experiment to see what made more hotel guests recycle their towels, the condition that set recycling as the norm among hotel guests resulted in significantly more recycled towels. If we could instill a different norm in young boys and men that eve teasing is a marginalized activity, that it is not the norm, perhaps it would have a greater impact on reducing eve teasing.

Perhaps policy-makers in Bangladesh can learn lessons from Glide Foundation in San Francisco, California, that has a 'Men in Progress' program. Participants use a model that, in addition to physical violence, identifies behaviors like emotional coercion, manipulation of resources, and stonewalling as forms of violence. The weekly group works to undo the internalized destructive beliefs about what it means to be a man in this society. By recalibrating the meaning of being a man and the status of women, instances of mental and verbal abuse, humiliation and taunting could be reduced.

In the meantime, by learning that it is an unfortunately common experience shared by 90 percent of teenage girls, young girls can be conditioned to not feel singled out if they are teased.

Rooting out eve teasing will not be an easy task. Once we recognize that it is an act that is based on centuries of patriarchal traditions, we can start to think about ways recalibrate society to view women differently. This will take time. As more and more women in Bangladesh join the working force and become more independent, maybe that is when women will enjoy a higher status in society and not be subject to eve teasing."

I think it described the problem behind eve teasing perfectly so I shared it here.Eve-teasing is a bigger problem in BD. I agree with the writer of this article its the inequality of man and woman which is the biggest issue. Banning item songs might help in the short run but it won't in the long run.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I miss the old days when Songs had Flowers showing when actors and actresses get too close 😭


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Someone asked yesterday why would females actresses do item songs if they objectify women. Here is the answer:
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: -ksh-

Someone asked yesterday why would females actresses do item songs if they objectify women. Here is the answer:

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there is nothing wrong in dancing on stage, it is wrong to be part of an item number which objectifies women, chikni was a lil in that area
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Co-relation between item songs and rape, if any, would be very weak. But some item songs with their raunchy moves and vulgar lyrics are offensive and are not doing any good to the moral fabric of society.There is a fine line between sensuous and vulgar- and filmmakers shouldn't be crossing that line in the name of entertainment
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I dont mind item numbers being in the movie but the lyrics can be toned down a little. Also now a days even a 6 year old hums these kind of songs more than anything else. Is that good when a kid of that age should be learning rhymes and poems.
I read somewhere yesterday that Dabangg 2 was screened for star kids but was the song Fevicol removed or some violent scenes edited from the movie for those kids?
These kind of scenes have more effect on the kids mentality at such a young age and in a way we are only hampering the mental growth of kids.

Also I dont think that eve teasers belong to any patricular society or strata.

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