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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hello! I meant to post yesterday but then didn't get any time. here it goes.

A moth to a flame
Meaning - Irresistibly and dangerously attracted to something or someone.
Origin - The phrase is a simple allusion to the well-known attraction that moths have to bright lights. The word moth is used to mean someone who was apt to be tempted by something that would lead to their downfall.

This was my initial reaction with the first scene yesterday. Moth (Sugni) and Vickram (flame). He stands there like the flame: arrogant, confident and almost cocky in the way he looks at her, I knew you couldn't stay away, he is thinking, as he opens his arms and closes his eyes. Sugni can't resist the allure of the flame and almost against her better judgement slowly walks towards him. When he opens his eyes and she looks up into his eyes you see a difference come over him. His face and eyes change and you see his intense attraction towards her, his pull towards, you can practically see the electricity crackle around them. You start to wonder who is the flame and who is the moth?

The rest of the scenes with him running around trying spend some time with her seemed a bit farcical to me not fitting of his character. Perhaps the scenes were cute in the way he was trying like a a boy in love for the first time...trying to manipulate people around him to spend some time together. But I found it weird, not dignified...well they didn't work for me.

Today's scene in the bedroom wasn't as flawless as yesterday's but it was very interesting and moved the story forward so I will overlook all the flaws. The cocky arrogant Vickram was back to find his "shikaar" waiting for him, in his bedroom no doubt. His confidence was dripping off him. He knows he's got her and he is ecstatic. His words though were interesting because they leave so much to interpretation and our Sugni of course is talking about her dreams of a wedding and we, the viewer, are again left wondering, Vickram, really? are you really thinking marriage? You have to take a pause and think because when she says "baya" (wedding) he doesn't cringe. He didn't react, his eyes remained closed as if he too is dreaming of the same. The scene and dialogues after Sugni sees his wedding picture (what was with the picture? why was it so ugly? Sorry I digress I was supposed to ignore flaws) was much better than first part. When he stops her outside and tells her the background of his first marriage, it was very powerful. Varun was wonderful. The intensity was back in his face when he explain his feelings, the difference in the two relationships and what an unexpected surprise his feelings are for Sugni. Very nice. It was all believable.

Now I am left wondering who is the Moth here and the Flame. Is it Vickram who will lead Sugni to her downfall or is Sugni going to take Vickram completely off his course and disrupt his way of life, his plans and everything. I find everything Vickram is saying to be true. At this point I have no reason not to believe him. Why would he lie when it would be so easy for Sugni to check out his story and his game would be ruined. I don't think Vickram is in love with Sugni but there is something very strong there. It may be lust, obsession...what do I know it maybe love.

He keeps asking her do you trust me? I will find a way for us to be together. I don't think he is trying to deliberately deceive her. Everything he feels is real to him. He may not be emotionally available to her at the end and will be the one to shatter all her dreams and cause her heartbreak and pain. I know the story needs it. She is still living in la-la land of dream and rajkumars.

But I sense the CVs or the writers have changed the story a bit. Maybe both will hurt each other and be the cause of each other's downfall.

I guess it remains to be seem who is the moth and who is the flame!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Wow! This is brilliant👏

I think Sugni will cause Vikram's downfall. Actually Vikram is just a metaphor for the whole thakur community. Sugni will change the relationship between Thakurs and Bednis. So it is the Thakurs who will lose in the end.

And the loss in their status in the village will happen by accepting a bedni as a thakurain, for the first time.

That bedni will be Sugni.

But whether the thakur will Vikram or Aditya, don't know.


Edited by kamala2012 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kamala2012

Wow! This is brilliant👏

I think Sugni will cause Vikram's downfall. Actually Vikram is just a metaphor for the whole thakur community. Sugni will change the relationship between Thakurs and Bednis. So it is the Thakurs who will lose in the end.

And the loss in their status in the village will happen by accepting a bedni as a thakurain, for the first time.

That bedni will be Sugni.

But whether the thakur will Vikram or Aditya, don't know.



agree completely! 😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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What a brilliant post Shelly!! 👏reserving for now ...Will be back 😃

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Bee to the blossom, moth to the flame; Each to his passion; what's in a name?

Seen every now and then that we actually fall prey to our temptations and finally resulting in our downfall.I loved how you described the relationship they both share and actually we are indeed left wondering at who exactly is that moth and who is the flame.We see Vikram a completely calm man stirred by someone who should have been irrelevant to him...But he ultimately falls in the trap of her charms or rather he uses all his might to trap her in his ways using whatever strength he has.Its like a cycle for both of them.Vikram for sure is captivated and lured by Sugni or else the URGE to POSSESS her had never been so strong so as to make him go all the way to win her heart step by step .For Sugni she unaware of this fact how he is luring her she walks towards him...
Also I would like to draw the attention to a major dialogue of Vikram when Sugni asks him about whether there are steps to fall in love .He replies that sometimes there are steps and sometimes there is just a moment when one loses oneself.So if Vikram actually lost himself the moment he laid his eyes upon her..then he ultimately creates steps for Sugni to lose herself to him.
If Vikram was attracted to the natural illuminated flame of Sugni then he creates and lights up an artificial flame to make her equally attracted.SIGH but only if they both knew that in this dangerous attraction both might eventually get burnt...
but then..
"Shama ko pighalne ka armaan kyun hai?patangey ko jalne ka armaan kyun hai?
isi shauk ka inteha zindagi hai..."
Edited by manzilmukul - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shelly fabulous analysis 👍🏼
Vikram's character is changing and its tough to predict whether he will remain good or bad to Sugni.

Sugni has completely fallen to his charms and there's no stopping to it. She is not even ready to listen to Gulabia.

I want to believe what Vikram told her about his first wife.The entire scene was very good and acting wise Vikram excelled. Sugni seemed to be content with his explanation & Vikram too was sounding genuine.

It was good to see Vikram saying he cant leave without her and shud make some arrangements so that she is always with him...I hope he is hinting at marriage though how & when its tough to believe. But from all this what I felt was he is not just looking at spending one night with her & satisfy himself. He is definitely attracted to her & craves for her. Now whether this is really Love or its his obsession or he wants to posses her only time will tell.


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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

What a brilliant post Shelly!! 👏reserving for now ...Will be back 😃


Piu looking forward to your post also
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Originally posted by: ash_arti


Piu looking forward to your post also

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: kamala2012

Wow! This is brilliant👏

I think Sugni will cause Vikram's downfall. Actually Vikram is just a metaphor for the whole thakur community. Sugni will change the relationship between Thakurs and Bednis. So it is the Thakurs who will lose in the end.

And the loss in their status in the village will happen by accepting a bedni as a thakurain, for the first time.

That bedni will be Sugni.

But whether the thakur will Vikram or Aditya, don't know.




Thanks Kamala. I agree for sure Sugni will be the downfall of the way the society is set up in this village. Hope that it will be Vickram not Adi. 😳
Edited by Shell16 - 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: manzilmukul

What a brilliant post Shelly!! 👏reserving for now ...Will be back 😃


EDIT

Bee to the blossom, moth to the flame; Each to his passion; what's in a name?

Seen every now and then that we actually fall prey to our temptations and finally resulting in our downfall.I loved how you described the relationship they both share and actually we are indeed left wondering at who exactly is that moth and who is the flame.We see Vikram a completely calm man stirred by someone who should have been irrelevant to him...But he ultimately falls in the trap of her charms or rather he uses all his might to trap her in his ways using whatever strength he has.Its like a cycle for both of them.Vikram for sure is captivated and lured by Sugni or else the URGE to POSSESS her had never been so strong so as to make him go all the way to win her heart step by step .For Sugni she unaware of this fact how he is luring her she walks towards him...
Also I would like to draw the attention to a major dialogue of Vikram when Sugni asks him about whether there are steps to fall in love .He replies that sometimes there are steps and sometimes there is just a moment when one loses oneself.So if Vikram actually lost himself the moment he laid his eyes upon her..then he ultimately creates steps for Sugni to lose herself to him.
If Vikram was attracted to the natural illuminated flame of Sugni then he creates and lights up an artificial flame to make her equally attracted.SIGH but only if they both knew that in this dangerous attraction both might eventually get burnt...
but then..
"Shama ko pighalne ka armaan kyun hai?patangey ko jalne ka armaan kyun hai?
isi shauk ka inteha zindagi hai..."



Thanks Piu,
You're so right. She should be someone completely insignificant for him and regardless of his character he should have been able to dismiss her for so many reasons. Her youth, her caste and even his own agenda for being back at the village should have been reasons for him to stay away from her. But you can see he is completely captivated by her and giving it his all to make sure she becomes his. He said that he fell for the from the moment he met her I don't agree the first day he was amused by her...maybe he is saying that in retrospect it started the process for him. He is so busy in settling up the trap for Sugni that he is not realizing that he too has fallen into this trap.

I love your quotes! Piu can you please do me a favour. Can you translate quote/saying at the bottom. My hindi isn't as good as it should be...and don't quiet get what it means. It sounds wonderful but I don't get it. 😕😳



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Sure Shelly it means..Why does the the flame of a candle desires to melt ..Why does the moth desires to be burnt in the flame...This crescendo of this desire in itself a definition of life😳a definition of love😳

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