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Posted: 13 years ago
then what should have been done? ok anandi has failed to eastablish the evil of bv, ( even though she said that nearly finshed in her village/district) fine accepting it for the sake of getting ur point of view.
since she has failed to establish why is it wrong then shd shehave refrained from stopping it coz no parents will do bad for kids logic? or the logic that married and not having the chance to explore ur opportunites is much better than being unmaaried and baligh with no choices left for marriage?? so the fact that since it was happening since ages and they have seen more happy bv than only some of the bad bv it is still ok to go through it?
however one point is that NOW IT IS ILLEGAL , so even if they dnt care a crime is being done, they dnt care if not allowed in village they dnt see any harmful effect coz for them it is a tradition, acha hai jaldi burden khtam hu and bv gets paid alot too.. they dnt want educated girls as no scope or peotential suitors ( thats what i got from ur point) but do u see that in all the village it is just this family? so it means others are getting it and noone gave the boy in this village they had to go to the other village for the boy, that means the imapct is there.
u cant expect that they will show every scene every step for eraditcing bv do u?
had the police not been called then yes the scenario wld have been diff and maybe there wld have been revenge plot too as they consider it an honor, but that thniknig will not go away form only force or only seromons it will be gone when there is a change and initally u will have to enforce it with force.
we dont knw if anandi has been talknig abt it, just one example of bv does not establish her failure in my eyes atleast!
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tinoo

You know, i see this entire thing as a complete and total failure on Anandi's part.

I really believe that authoritarian measures and fear based tactics can only go so far (whether in governmental activities or in parenting matters)... after a while they are ineffective. The only real solution is for people to actively want to obey the law because they see how it benefits them and how it is a good thing ... not a hindrance.
My belief (based on what I saw yesterday and today) is that anandi goes around talking about child marriage based on what has happened to her. Her personal story. A lot of people will just mock her and see her as a one-off example of how child marriage can go awry, and nobody will really listen to her when there are several examples of good working child marriages in front of their eyes (e.g. lal singh and koyel, or jyoti's own parents, etc. etc. etc.). They have all grown up in child marriages and really see nothing wrong in them. Infact, anandi too might not have seen anything wrong in it, or processed it as an issue if she and jagya had had a happy marriage.
To hold up gulli as an example or someone else like gulli, is really ridiculous because the parents wont really see any benefit in someone who avoids marriage to become an assistant teacher in a school room in a village...nor was unmarried teacherji a great role model.
Within these cultures, marriage is a form of social protection, since anti-social elements prey on single women.. From this perspective, Jyoti's parents *were* thinking in the best interests of their daughter in terms of settling her in a well-to-do household. Now it may not be the way I would judge the best interest of my daughter, and it may not be the way that someone else would judge the best interest of their daughter ... but it was Jyoti's parents way. In addition, they were not selling her off, they were genuinely interested in seeing her married. (The law makes a distinction when it judges parents by the way -- if it is found that parents were selling her -- then parents are punished under child trafficking and child prostitution acts which can lead up to 10 years of life imprisonment -- but it is found that parents were genuinely marrying the girl -- then penalty is 2 years)
Complex ivory tower notions of how women are to have their own identity and how they have to blossom to their full potential to become teachers and social workers will have no impact on these people. What educated role models have they seen who are both married and successful? None.
What do they see? -- an unmarried teacherji? an abandoned and divorced anandi? a natha lady phooli with a graduate degree who now is a single mother working in a school? a teenage girl who is an assistant teacher in a school and still not married?
Tomorrow, if jyoti's parents died in a tractor accident somewhere, they would die peacefully knowing that the girl was "settled" rather than still unmarried and orphaned at the mercy of anti social elements.
Tomorrow, if jyoti's parents let her study and become successful, they need to know that they can find a man for her in their community -- we may say that she can have a love marriage, she may meet someone in her college, -- but from jyoti's parents mentality this may not be acceptable.
If anandi is to be successful in her agenda, she has to stop talking about her own personal story and tailor her marketing strategy in terms of benefits to the parents.
And for those who say that the fear of the law is the most potent medicine against child marriage ...and that parents will be scared because jyoti's parents will be arrested. I disagree. Since this is a serial, it works that way and I respect the storyline.
In real life, it is the other way around, within 48 hours of this, the groom's father would have arranged to have anandi and shiv assassinated (and he would have given these orders from jail). After that sarpanches, and district collectors would be scared to interfere in child marriages.
Dont you see IPS officers, and income tax officers being murdered in India? A handful of people who are really committed to the cause may give their life for it ... but other government officials may just prefer to turn a blind eye rather than take on the wrath of anti-social elements on themselves and their families.

I totally agreed the coloured part tinoo...but then what measures should one take to stop this child marriage and other such nonsense in India?

just sit and watch or migrate to other western country ? or go with the flow??

also if say jyotis parents would die happily once they see their daughter happily married, then one fine day if her husband dies n she becomes a widow with no support from her in laws no education...then how would she be? just another widow...made to slave?

The thing is what is the correct solution according to u?
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: leo4ever

we dont knw if anandi has been talknig abt it, just one example of bv does not establish her failure in my eyes atleast!

Leo, I never said that anandi was a failure... I said it was a failure on her part... I am not talking about the individual... I am talking about the way she has gone around implementing her bal vivah strategy.
These are two different things -- I do not believe that a person is defined by their mistakes. Remember that please.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Ash, I really dont want to comment on what anandi should have done. I found her spirit to be in the right place but her actions and words to be downright distasteful. it is obvious I am in the minority on this, so I dont want to waste energy trying to defend my views.
I think it is a broader discussion on the law and its interference in personal matters which have broader societal concerns.
Edited by tinoo - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tinoo

If anandi is to be successful in her agenda, she has to stop talking about her own personal story and tailor her marketing strategy in terms of benefits to the parents.

@Red I agree with this, Tinoo.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tinoo

Leo, I never said that anandi was a failure... I said it was a failure on her part... I am not talking about the individual... I am talking about the way she has gone around implementing her bal vivah strategy.
These are two different things -- I do not believe that a person is defined by their mistakes. Remember that please.

hmm i understand ur point tinoo..but it is like when a flight crashes...everyone tries to anyalyse why it did or how the pilot could have saved it ...but at that final moment...its in no ones hands...
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Posted: 13 years ago
director ji aap ko anandi ki jagah us het singh ki taraf jo khada hua tha sarpanch ke liye usko jeetana chhahiya tha kyonki mujhe lagta hai uski jyaada izzat hoti kyonki naa to woh child marriage rokta aur naa jyoti ke parents se aise baat kurta .aur hum anandi jo itna noble work kar rahi hai usse criticism se bachh jaate
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tinoo

Leo, I never said that anandi was a failure... I said it was a failure on her part... I am not talking about the individual... I am talking about the way she has gone around implementing her bal vivah strategy.
These are two different things -- I do not believe that a person is defined by their mistakes. Remember that please.

Maybe after this incident she will realize and really try to frame a new strategy...as her most imp goal in life is to banish child marriage system from the society...
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Posted: 13 years ago
i guess after the precap where she speaks openly of the hurt the pain maybe that will actually get across, agian my point is that since they showed just one bv happening and that too the parents had to go outside with only few of the neighbours speaks of the changing mentatily of the village and the sinking in of anandis efforts , so merely one incident also agian cant be labbleed as even a failure on her part to showcase the evil of bv.
on a personal i wanted even bhairov n dadisa to talk ot joutis parents that they did this to anandin and stood watching them getting insulted!
i dnt repect people who aid cirme for eg if i see a man beating his wife brutally coz he feels it will be better for her if she dsnt go out alone without his permission as it is not safe , i will lose respect i will not say that atleast he has her better interest in his mind for her- no way! or if i see a kid made to beg coz he has one hand missing and his dad feels that this will atleast ensure a living for him i will not respect him for putting his kid in this trouble nor will i accept he has good intentions for him.simialrly the way they hid the truth sneaked to get married forced kid to skip school lie, all shows they had guilt in thier minds n hearts, they knew they are wrong so sneaking! they are pretty poor people how did they get the big house mei rishta? i knw there is a bargain, either loan being settled or the man paying ofr his kid to get married! ( y , coz the wad of niotes he gave to dhol wala was just too big for him to have, their house ddnt seem that much modest for the standard depicted)
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: di_vya

@Red I agree with this, Tinoo.


I disagree with this. Anandi was compelled to say her story because the journalist or old man was all in her face wanting to know why she is so passionate about this cause, what's her knowledge of balvivah. If she was going around talking about her balvivah all the time, then surely Shiv would have known, why would he look so shocked?

Also if Anandi does not show that she had first hand experience, then y'all would criticize her and say she does not know what she is talking about, exactly like how you are saying that she does not see it from the parents perspective of giving happiness for Jythi by securing her future through marriage.

Damned of you do and damned if you don't.

Speaking of her experience adds credibility to her points of view. Yes balvivah obs a child of their childhood, takes away so much innocence. Even if Anandi was still happily married to Jagya that stance of hers would have never changed. She never stopped helping people when she was married to Jagya, she never stopped rebelling for others.

I have said this before and reiterate, desperate times call for desperate measures. Sometimes the best laid plans go out the window. In this case she never had a plan because she was rushed to do something immediately. Did you not hear her explanation to Shiv when he scolded her for setting out alone? Priority was t stop the wedding.

Picture abhi baaki hai mere dost. Who knows, maybe she will collaborate with Shiv and start massive awareness campaigns even though she has already been creating awareness but on a smaller scale. Is awreness and education enough? People who are entrenched in these customs need the fear of something to finally stop. They show so much disdain to 'modern' thinking. Examples have to be made. All Jypthi's neighbors were present at the wedding, now they will all think twice about comitting balvivah because fear of jail and disgrace in society will prevent this. Slowly will come acceptance and even open mindedness, with ongoing awareness. Let's not take things out of context or jump the gun.

Gulli, phooli, Anandi or even Asha are not bad examples. They should be inspirational. To one out of what they have been through and achieve independence is indeed praiseworthy. Viewing it from the point of view of Jyothi's parents is a valid point, but don't you think the parents are realistic enough to know that Jyothi's could very well become an Asha or a Phooli or an Anandi in the future. I am sure even Jyothi's mother in her hearts of hearts knows that in this patriarchal society her daughter stands no chance for a peaceful life. Yes, she turned a blind eye because she and generations before her went through the same. But Does that justify turning a blind eye to a crime being committed?

Anandi is not perfect. I happen to think she has done the right thing. But it is not unexpected that her actions did not and will not please all of the people all of the time.




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