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Posted: 13 years ago
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Can I put my 2 cents. "Killing a baby", "inhuman ways of conducting an abortion"...all these things arise when the foetus has developed a bit, and a surgical abortion is required.But in the very initial stage...surgical abortion is not even required, and abortion can be done with a pill...and the embryo is just like a small spherical membrane covering over a cavity. In the very, very initial stage of pregnancy, its kind of hard to imagine a tiny sphere of cells which only has a cavity-- as a real human...or even relate a collection of undifferentiated cells to real humans, emotions and life.


I think its not only about whether abortion needs consent of x,y,z people or not...its also about the stage of pregnancy.e.g. comparing a just fertilized sperm and ovum to a fully developed human and talking about its rights...sounds a bit absurd to me.

What are we arguing about ---what are the rights of the mass of undifferentiated cells v/s the rights of the mother?? I will any-day vote for the feelings of the mother at that time


I feel if its been ard 1.5 months of pregnancy...then father's role and his stance should be considered. Because then even though the embryo has not differentiated enough...but a father's emotions, aspirations...might have grown in that span. It should be a mutual decision...with mother having a greater say in the decision.

More than 2 months of pregnancy should be considered as dealing with a foetus...not a seed or embryo... and that could be a social/family issue...and that time I think people should make an effort to stop abortion.

But a woman should have a choice till a certain amount of time...like the very initial phase pf pregnancy. No one's life changes to the extent the woman's changes, she has to have a say!
Edited by hima_123 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Kittya,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It does seem that Ria and Adi would have taken precautions given that they aren't sure if they want to live their lives together or not. I can understand Ria's predicament because having a child with someone that you aren't sure you are going to remain married to ,is a very big deal. That child will bind you to that person forever. I am sure she is thinking that if she does have the child, going to back to a different country (England) with the child will pose big problems for both parties if Adi decides to stay in India and contest it. Besides she doesn't seem emotionally ready to have that child which is the biggest thing. Having a child in a uncertain marriage is a very big deal because that child can become a source of great stress for both partners and for the child. I recently met someone who told me that he and his wife have been in a custody battle over their son for over 7 years now! That has got to be a hellish nightmare for both parties and the child. You are absolutely right, that hopefully this couple would have thought of that. But the flipside is, ,what if they were using (theoretically speaking) birth control and still got pregnant (as you astutely explained since nothing is 100% accurate). I know of a couple like that too that were shocked to find themselves pregnant when they had thought they had used more than adequate protection. But, what is great is that, it does make people think about the importance of birth control when a couple isn't ready for a child. Thanks for your great post!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Veela, I just wanted to say, you have written some wonderful posts, I enjoyed reading them!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Omg! I had written something to be posted but i see there is just a dot ! i never realized it :D thanks Kanhaiya <3
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Posted: 13 years ago
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if ria is so much worried about being a mother as she is not ready for the responsibility , then why would she didn't take precaution at first. abortion is legal doesn't mean that one can go for abortion any time they want .. there is one thing that called 'humanity'. how can a woman is so pathetic and kill a baby before it is born. all I would say is better take prevention rather killing an innocent baby.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

Can I put my 2 cents. "Killing a baby", "inhuman ways of conducting an abortion"...all these things arise when the foetus has developed a bit, and a surgical abortion is required.But in the very initial stage...surgical abortion is not even required, and abortion can be done with a pill...and the embryo is just like a small spherical membrane covering over a cavity. In the very, very initial stage of pregnancy, its kind of hard to imagine a tiny sphere of cells which only has a cavity-- as a real human...or even relate a collection of undifferentiated cells to real humans, emotions and life.


I think its not only about whether abortion needs consent of x,y,z people or not...its also about the stage of pregnancy.e.g. comparing a just fertilized sperm and ovum to a fully developed human and talking about its rights...sounds a bit absurd to me.

What are we arguing about ---what are the rights of the mass of undifferentiated cells v/s the rights of the mother?? I will any-day vote for the feelings of the mother at that time


I feel if its been ard 1.5 months of pregnancy...then father's role and his stance should be considered. Because then even though the embryo has not differentiated enough...but a father's emotions, aspirations...might have grown in that span. It should be a mutual decision...with mother having a greater say in the decision.

More than 2 months of pregnancy should be considered as dealing with a foetus...not a seed or embryo... and that could be a social/family issue...and that time I think people should make an effort to stop abortion.

But a woman should have a choice till a certain amount of time...like the very initial phase pf pregnancy. No one's life changes to the extent the woman's changes, she has to have a say!

Di, it's true that the embryo starts off as a little ball of cells. However, for anything to grow and develop there must be life. Only living things have the ability to grow and develop. It's one of the characteristics of living organisms. How then can we so easily say that this initial stage is not as important as any other? Mankind has so many grey shades; on one hand we promote wildlife preservation- saving lion cubs, baby whales, panda cubs, eagle hatchlings, and the list goes on. Why then do we find it so easy to disassociate ourselves from the question of abortion and the loss of life on the other hand? Sometimes freedom of choice, and the right to individuality separates us from the morality and importance of the given situation. I am not trying to stop abortions, but we really need to think these things through a bit more. Every person has a situation that they must face at some point in time, it's our choice whether we will deal with the matter based on our desires or on the larger picture. This issue currently involves so many people, we all need to tread so carefully, because no one can fully understand another person's dilemma.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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So many varying opinions and such articulate arguments ...

... My two cents

As a woman, i would HATE someone forcing a child on me that i did not want. Yes, father matters , yes there is the emotional plea of how the unborn child wants to live ... but the reality is that the single biggest person affected my a pregnancy is the woman...

Maybe, you don't support abortion ... perfectly fine ... you never need to get one ... but you don't get to say whether the other woman should have an abortion or not ... it is her body ... forcing a woman to have an unwanted child is violating her most basic right - The right to her OWN BODY ... the right to decide what should happen to her body

And for all those who say, she was irresponsible so now pay for your mistake ... woh! what an attitude for bringing a child into this world ... for those saying now act responsible ... she is doing that, she is not bringing a child into this world that she does not want ... your idea of responsibility is just different from her idea


My mom had an abortion when there was a complication in her pregnancy and the doctor said a part of the baby's brain was permanently damaged ... Some people still think that she should have gone ahead ... their reasoning is that anything can happen to a child after he/she is born ... an accident or a disease ... will she kill the child then too ? ... does that mean that a handicapped baby has no right to be born in this world ? ... No of course not ... another woman might have handled it differently ... but my mom made the choice she could Live with ... Another woman might have made a different choice ... they are both right in their place ...

The important point here is CHOICE ... and it should always remain a woman's choice ... A man sure should have a say. ... they should discuss and try to convince each other of their point of view ... but the last decision should be of the person who has to actually carry out the pregnancy in their own body ... the woman
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Posted: 13 years ago
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SUPERB POST!I AGREE WITH EACH AND EVERY WORD OF YOURS!this is the fact and it has to be accepted.it is definitely a right to be able to decide whether the woman is ready or not to become a mother.


THANK YOU SO MUCH.AWESOME POST!👏

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: bips

So many varying opinions and such articulate arguments ...

... My two cents

As a woman, i would HATE someone forcing a child on me that i did not want. Yes, father matters , yes there is the emotional plea of how the unborn child wants to live ... but the reality is that the single biggest person affected my a pregnancy is the woman...

Maybe, you don't support abortion ... perfectly fine ... you never need to get one ... but you don't get to say whether the other woman should have an abortion or not ... it is her body ... forcing a woman to have an unwanted child is violating her most basic right - The right to her OWN BODY ... the right to decide what should happen to her body

And for all those who say, she was irresponsible so now pay for your mistake ... woh! what an attitude for bringing a child into this world ... for those saying now act responsible ... she is doing that, she is not bringing a child into this world that she does not want ... your idea of responsibility is just different from her idea


My mom had an abortion when there was a complication in her pregnancy and the doctor said a part of the baby's brain was permanently damaged ... Some people still think that she should have gone ahead ... their reasoning is that anything can happen to a child after he/she is born ... an accident or a disease ... will she kill the child then too ? ... does that mean that a handicapped baby has no right to be born in this world ? ... No of course not ... another woman might have handled it differently ... but my mom made the choice she could Live with ... Another woman might have made a different choice ... they are both right in their place ...

The important point here is CHOICE ... and it should always remain a woman's choice ... A man sure should have a say. ... they should discuss and try to convince each other of their point of view ... but the last decision should be of the person who has to actually carry out the pregnancy in their own body ... the woman

Di, I don't think anyone is suggesting that we force our fellow women to keep a child that they don't want. After all, there are many childless couples who would be willing to adopt children. I think most of the debators here are suggesting that we also consider the child, and other related persons. We all agree that the final decision rests with the mother. We all agree that her body will be changing, her psychological abilities must mature to suit the new need, her health and career will all be affected. I don't believe that anyone denies her right to choose what should occur within and to her body. It's difficult to avoid passing judgment in any situation, and none of us can say how we will react until we are faced with the choices provided.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kittya_Cullen

Di, it's true that the embryo starts off as a little ball of cells. However, for anything to grow and develop there must be life. Only living things have the ability to grow and develop. It's one of the characteristics of living organisms. How then can we so easily say that this initial stage is not as important as any other? Mankind has so many grey shades; on one hand we promote wildlife preservation- saving lion cubs, baby whales, panda cubs, eagle hatchlings, and the list goes on. Why then do we find it so easy to disassociate ourselves from the question of abortion and the loss of life on the other hand? Sometimes freedom of choice, and the right to individuality separates us from the morality and importance of the given situation. I am not trying to stop abortions, but we really need to think these things through a bit more. Every person has a situation that they must face at some point in time, it's our choice whether we will deal with the matter based on our desires or on the larger picture. This issue currently involves so many people, we all need to tread so carefully, because no one can fully understand another person's dilemma.

A very interesting discussion here, my like button doesn't work, so couldn't 'like' all post, but find all points very valid...
Let me open another can of worms...Kittya the debate on when 'truely' life starts in the womb is age-old...Cancer cell have a 'life' of their own too...but we do surgically/chemo/treat them too..many argues that removing tumors are no less 'killing' a growing mass of cells...
Edited by Kalapi - 13 years ago

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