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Posted: 19 years ago
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Ok, yesterday I spent quite a bit of time reading the posts about the Indian episode of 19th Jan. Today I even watched the episode. There are a few questions I would like to raise here... Which could actually help us understand this whole drama.

1] In the beginning of the show, if you watch clearly and pay attention to details, all of the contestants sing along and there is a sense of "harmony". If the three had decided to walk away and quit then I must say that they can control their facial expressions and emotions to an very extraordinary extent.

2] Before the results are announced Shaan asks every and each contestants about their feeling. What they think about their position in the challenge. Whether they think they are going to win or not etc etc. I must recall the fact that when teh mic came to Vineet he goes something like " Kahin na kahin andar se yeh thora sa confidence ke shayad haan... jeet ne ke chances... etc etc" If I interpret this correctly, Vineet in other words said that he thinks he has a good chance of winning the contest. Then Himani's turn, says that " Upar wale se pray karti hu joh bhi ho, bas mujh me Ghamand na aaye". Ok fair enough. Even Hemachandra says something in the same line of story. Now my question... Ab jab show start nehi huwa... Kuch bhi announce nehi huwa as in the results.. Why not decide to walk out at that moment??? Why wait until AFTER Debojit's performance??? I will come on this point again later on...

3] The results are announced and Debojit is the Challenger number 1. While performing you can see Himani and Hema talking about something.. Now I am not going to speculate about what they were talking about.. Could be anything... right??

4] Second contestant to win is Vineet.. All three of them step on the stage... announce their decision... no reason given... Now I wonder, knowing the fact that there are people out there who take the time and make the effort to vote ,so that the dreams of the contestants can come true, the mentors who put time and effort to make from ordinary stones real diamonds, parents who have all their hope on their children... HOW COME these contestans are so insensitive to forget all their responsibilities they have??? Public in ka saath chorey to nehi chalta magar agar contestants public ka saath chorey to chale ga?? What INJUSTICE??

5] the drama continues and ID is bold enough to ask them if the reason for their walkout is Debojit..... Vineet goes like "nehi nehi... sir aisa kuch nehi he.... Yeh to hume tab hi karna chahiye tha jab Nihira out huwi thi.. Lekin tab mene apne aap ko control kiya" Challo maan lete he Vineet ke aap ne control kiya....Then ID asks " Yeh faisla kab kiya tum ne" Vineet" Kal hi hum teeno ne faisla kiya".. NO HOLD ON... WAIT A MIN... Kal raat ko teeno ne..... Why was Debojit not included... Kya Debojit ko Nihira ke elimination se dukh nehi huwa? Kya woh khush tha ke Nihira out ho gayi?? NONSENSE.... Nihira was in the same gharana as Debojit... to dukh to huwa ho ga... I seriously do not understand why they did not consult Debojit.. Is ke peechey kya reason he? Kya un ko pata tha Debojit was going to be on number 1??

6] Nobody raises the question of the % vote from North India.. Only AS does... matlab ke asli problem to yeh he... In my opinion asli reason to saamne aana hi tha... So aa gaya... I will not proceed telling u that those 80 % from all Debojit's votes came from 7 states and not only Assam.

7] At the end public get heated up... I think they are right... But what i dont understand is... that in the end there is this lady saying " Sorry sir i disagree with you..We are looking for India's voice ... not Assam's voice." EXCUSE ME LADY.... Assam India se bahir he??? What pops into my mind is the glamour world of Bollywood.. wahan pe bhi to actors actresses poore India se aatey he.... Us me to kisi ko koi problem nehi he.. Agar singer North India ka he.. to is me aap ko bhala kya problem ho sakti he??? Plus agar kisi contestant ko for example more than 50% of the votes Mumbai se aatey.. To i dont see anyone raising questions on that either.

My main question remains.... WHAT IF not Debojit, but one fo the other three contestant was Challenger number one.. Say for example Vineet or Hema was on 1, then would these three contestants take this decision. Kya Vineet itna mahaan hota ke apni number one position ko Nihira ke liye thukrata?? Kya Hema ki mummy Hema ko kehti" Beta Nihira ke saath bura huwa, tu mat gaa??" Kya Hemani is liye nehi gaati kiu ke Nihira us ki behan jaisi thi........??

OFCOURSE NOT!.. Aisa kuch bhi nehi hota...What i still dont understand is.. Debojit ko kiu nehi pata tha ke they were quitting?? Why was he not involved??

NOW WHAT DO U GUYS THINK??

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Posted: 19 years ago
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👏 👏 👏 you hit the nail on the head.

if they discussed the previous day, why wasnt debojeet included in the talks? of couse there wont be any answer. 😆 😆
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Perfect analysis...BRAVO...Your post will make the morons think. Keep your posts flowing.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Y do u bring parents name in this mess.What did Hema's mother do?

Dont mention abt it unnecessarily
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Bangboy, i did not say anything offensive.. It is just a way to put things... I did not disrecpect his mother. Why would I? And please do not annoy me if you have nothing to say about the CONTENT of my message. When will we stop making personal attacks?? Why cant you just answer the questions stated above?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Khwahish007

Ok, yesterday I spent quite a bit of time reading the posts about the Indian episode of 19th Jan. Today I even watched the episode. There are a few questions I would like to raise here... Which could actually help us understand this whole drama.

1] In the beginning of the show, if you watch clearly and pay attention to details, all of the contestants sing along and there is a sense of "harmony". If the three had decided to walk away and quit then I must say that they can control their facial expressions and emotions to an very extraordinary extent.

2] Before the results are announced Shaan asks every and each contestants about their feeling. What they think about their position in the challenge. Whether they think they are going to win or not etc etc. I must recall the fact that when teh mic came to Vineet he goes something like " Kahin na kahin andar se yeh thora sa confidence ke shayad haan... jeet ne ke chances... etc etc" If I interpret this correctly, Vineet in other words said that he thinks he has a good chance of winning the contest. Then Himani's turn, says that " Upar wale se pray karti hu joh bhi ho, bas mujh me Ghamand na aaye". Ok fair enough. Even Hemachandra says something in the same line of story. Now my question... Ab jab show start nehi huwa... Kuch bhi announce nehi huwa as in the results.. Why not decide to walk out at that moment??? Why wait until AFTER Debojit's performance??? I will come on this point again later on...

3] The results are announced and Debojit is the Challenger number 1. While performing you can see Himani and Hema talking about something.. Now I am not going to speculate about what they were talking about.. Could be anything... right??

4] Second contestant to win is Vineet.. All three of them step on the stage... announce their decision... no reason given... Now I wonder, knowing the fact that there are people out there who take the time and make the effort to vote ,so that the dreams of the contestants can come true, the mentors who put time and effort to make from ordinary stones real diamonds, parents who have all their hope on their children... HOW COME these contestans are so insensitive to forget all their responsibilities they have??? Public in ka saath chorey to nehi chalta magar agar contestants public ka saath chorey to chale ga?? What INJUSTICE??

5] the drama continues and ID is bold enough to ask them if the reason for their walkout is Debojit..... Vineet goes like "nehi nehi... sir aisa kuch nehi he.... Yeh to hume tab hi karna chahiye tha jab Nihira out huwi thi.. Lekin tab mene apne aap ko control kiya" Challo maan lete he Vineet ke aap ne control kiya....Then ID asks " Yeh faisla kab kiya tum ne" Vineet" Kal hi hum teeno ne faisla kiya".. NO HOLD ON... WAIT A MIN... Kal raat ko teeno ne..... Why was Debojit not included... Kya Debojit ko Nihira ke elimination se dukh nehi huwa? Kya woh khush tha ke Nihira out ho gayi?? NONSENSE.... Nihira was in the same gharana as Debojit... to dukh to huwa ho ga... I seriously do not understand why they did not consult Debojit.. Is ke peechey kya reason he? Kya un ko pata tha Debojit was going to be on number 1??

6] Nobody raises the question of the % vote from North India.. Only AS does... matlab ke asli problem to yeh he... In my opinion asli reason to saamne aana hi tha... So aa gaya... I will not proceed telling u that those 80 % from all Debojit's votes came from 7 states and not only Assam.

7] At the end public get heated up... I think they are right... But what i dont understand is... that in the end there is this lady saying " Sorry sir i disagree with you..We are looking for India's voice ... not Assam's voice." EXCUSE ME LADY.... Assam India se bahir he??? What pops into my mind is the glamour world of Bollywood.. wahan pe bhi to actors actresses poore India se aatey he.... Us me to kisi ko koi problem nehi he.. Agar singer North India ka he.. to is me aap ko bhala kya problem ho sakti he??? Plus agar kisi contestant ko for example more than 50% of the votes Mumbai se aatey.. To i dont see anyone raising questions on that either.

My main question remains.... WHAT IF not Debojit, but one fo the other three contestant was Challenger number one.. Say for example Vineet or Hema was on 1, then would these three contestants take this decision. Kya Vineet itna mahaan hota ke apni number one position ko Nihira ke liye thukrata?? Kya Hema ki mummy Hema ko kehti" Beta Nihira ke saath bura huwa, tu mat gaa??" Kya Hemani is liye nehi gaati kiu ke Nihira us ki behan jaisi thi........??

OFCOURSE NOT!.. Aisa kuch bhi nehi hota...What i still dont understand is.. Debojit ko kiu nehi pata tha ke they were quitting?? Why was he not involved??

NOW WHAT DO U GUYS THINK??

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fully agreed with evry point u raised

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Posted: 19 years ago
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I have not watched this show but enjoyed reading your comments/analysis. My quess is everything is scripted. That includes eliminations so far -- even Nihira's --, ID's walkout/return, walkout by the three stooges and apparent elimination of Debojit. Nihira probably didn't want to participate in this and as a result got eliminated early on.

As far as the reaction of the audience is concerned, the said two people could have been planted by Gajendra Singh and Co.

I would not be terribly surprised if even the parents are told how to behave, but I am going to far.

Originally posted by: Khwahish007

Ok, yesterday I spent quite a bit of time reading the posts about the Indian episode of 19th Jan. Today I even watched the episode. There are a few questions I would like to raise here... Which could actually help us understand this whole drama.

1] In the beginning of the show, if you watch clearly and pay attention to details, all of the contestants sing along and there is a sense of "harmony". If the three had decided to walk away and quit then I must say that they can control their facial expressions and emotions to an very extraordinary extent.

2] Before the results are announced Shaan asks every and each contestants about their feeling. What they think about their position in the challenge. Whether they think they are going to win or not etc etc. I must recall the fact that when teh mic came to Vineet he goes something like " Kahin na kahin andar se yeh thora sa confidence ke shayad haan... jeet ne ke chances... etc etc" If I interpret this correctly, Vineet in other words said that he thinks he has a good chance of winning the contest. Then Himani's turn, says that " Upar wale se pray karti hu joh bhi ho, bas mujh me Ghamand na aaye". Ok fair enough. Even Hemachandra says something in the same line of story. Now my question... Ab jab show start nehi huwa... Kuch bhi announce nehi huwa as in the results.. Why not decide to walk out at that moment??? Why wait until AFTER Debojit's performance??? I will come on this point again later on...

3] The results are announced and Debojit is the Challenger number 1. While performing you can see Himani and Hema talking about something.. Now I am not going to speculate about what they were talking about.. Could be anything... right??

4] Second contestant to win is Vineet.. All three of them step on the stage... announce their decision... no reason given... Now I wonder, knowing the fact that there are people out there who take the time and make the effort to vote ,so that the dreams of the contestants can come true, the mentors who put time and effort to make from ordinary stones real diamonds, parents who have all their hope on their children... HOW COME these contestans are so insensitive to forget all their responsibilities they have??? Public in ka saath chorey to nehi chalta magar agar contestants public ka saath chorey to chale ga?? What INJUSTICE??

5] the drama continues and ID is bold enough to ask them if the reason for their walkout is Debojit..... Vineet goes like "nehi nehi... sir aisa kuch nehi he.... Yeh to hume tab hi karna chahiye tha jab Nihira out huwi thi.. Lekin tab mene apne aap ko control kiya" Challo maan lete he Vineet ke aap ne control kiya....Then ID asks " Yeh faisla kab kiya tum ne" Vineet" Kal hi hum teeno ne faisla kiya".. NO HOLD ON... WAIT A MIN... Kal raat ko teeno ne..... Why was Debojit not included... Kya Debojit ko Nihira ke elimination se dukh nehi huwa? Kya woh khush tha ke Nihira out ho gayi?? NONSENSE.... Nihira was in the same gharana as Debojit... to dukh to huwa ho ga... I seriously do not understand why they did not consult Debojit.. Is ke peechey kya reason he? Kya un ko pata tha Debojit was going to be on number 1??

6] Nobody raises the question of the % vote from North India.. Only AS does... matlab ke asli problem to yeh he... In my opinion asli reason to saamne aana hi tha... So aa gaya... I will not proceed telling u that those 80 % from all Debojit's votes came from 7 states and not only Assam.

7] At the end public get heated up... I think they are right... But what i dont understand is... that in the end there is this lady saying " Sorry sir i disagree with you..We are looking for India's voice ... not Assam's voice." EXCUSE ME LADY.... Assam India se bahir he??? What pops into my mind is the glamour world of Bollywood.. wahan pe bhi to actors actresses poore India se aatey he.... Us me to kisi ko koi problem nehi he.. Agar singer North India ka he.. to is me aap ko bhala kya problem ho sakti he??? Plus agar kisi contestant ko for example more than 50% of the votes Mumbai se aatey.. To i dont see anyone raising questions on that either.

My main question remains.... WHAT IF not Debojit, but one fo the other three contestant was Challenger number one.. Say for example Vineet or Hema was on 1, then would these three contestants take this decision. Kya Vineet itna mahaan hota ke apni number one position ko Nihira ke liye thukrata?? Kya Hema ki mummy Hema ko kehti" Beta Nihira ke saath bura huwa, tu mat gaa??" Kya Hemani is liye nehi gaati kiu ke Nihira us ki behan jaisi thi........??

OFCOURSE NOT!.. Aisa kuch bhi nehi hota...What i still dont understand is.. Debojit ko kiu nehi pata tha ke they were quitting?? Why was he not involved??

NOW WHAT DO U GUYS THINK??

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Posted: 19 years ago
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100% agree with Khwahish007

also want to add something...

i read the forums for sometime and found justifications for the walk-out like the following "don't blame the contestants because they r only 17 yr old kids under a lot of stress for several months and snapped, etc..."


problem is that:


1. all contestants (< 17 and > 17) were put under the same stress

2. appears that all contestants carried on pretty well without protesting for over half the agnipariksha round (even when hema and nihira were tied with lower votes than rajiv).
so why now when only 2-3 rounds left?


3. Two rules r clear 1.any1 can vote from anywhere in india (not sure if internet votes count)
and 2. multiple votings r allowed .... so if AS complained about NE votes being not fair
then he should be thrown out of the show before dealing with the contestants

4. Walking out calls for automatic disqualification. Rules apply to all contestants regardless of talent, age, gender, family background etc..
Contestants agreed to public voting before and should follow them till the end of the competetion (unless they want to just walk out)

5. IMPORTANT: if contestants agreed to public voting, then it should be understood that not every1 possess a thourough knowledge on music. so the participants' personality, attitude and on-stage behavior will be a big deciding factor in voting...mentor's or
contestant's negative attitude can be self-defeating.


now of course, i am not going to argue if the entire walk out was scripted or the involved members were forced to do this at gun-point (threatened)
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Khwahish007

Ok, yesterday I spent quite a bit of time reading the posts about the Indian episode of 19th Jan. Today I even watched the episode. There are a few questions I would like to raise here... Which could actually help us understand this whole drama.

1] In the beginning of the show, if you watch clearly and pay attention to details, all of the contestants sing along and there is a sense of "harmony". If the three had decided to walk away and quit then I must say that they can control their facial expressions and emotions to an very extraordinary extent.

2] Before the results are announced Shaan asks every and each contestants about their feeling. What they think about their position in the challenge. Whether they think they are going to win or not etc etc. I must recall the fact that when teh mic came to Vineet he goes something like " Kahin na kahin andar se yeh thora sa confidence ke shayad haan... jeet ne ke chances... etc etc" If I interpret this correctly, Vineet in other words said that he thinks he has a good chance of winning the contest. Then Himani's turn, says that " Upar wale se pray karti hu joh bhi ho, bas mujh me Ghamand na aaye". Ok fair enough. Even Hemachandra says something in the same line of story. Now my question... Ab jab show start nehi huwa... Kuch bhi announce nehi huwa as in the results.. Why not decide to walk out at that moment??? Why wait until AFTER Debojit's performance??? I will come on this point again later on...

3] The results are announced and Debojit is the Challenger number 1. While performing you can see Himani and Hema talking about something.. Now I am not going to speculate about what they were talking about.. Could be anything... right??

4] Second contestant to win is Vineet.. All three of them step on the stage... announce their decision... no reason given... Now I wonder, knowing the fact that there are people out there who take the time and make the effort to vote ,so that the dreams of the contestants can come true, the mentors who put time and effort to make from ordinary stones real diamonds, parents who have all their hope on their children... HOW COME these contestans are so insensitive to forget all their responsibilities they have??? Public in ka saath chorey to nehi chalta magar agar contestants public ka saath chorey to chale ga?? What INJUSTICE??

5] the drama continues and ID is bold enough to ask them if the reason for their walkout is Debojit..... Vineet goes like "nehi nehi... sir aisa kuch nehi he.... Yeh to hume tab hi karna chahiye tha jab Nihira out huwi thi.. Lekin tab mene apne aap ko control kiya" Challo maan lete he Vineet ke aap ne control kiya....Then ID asks " Yeh faisla kab kiya tum ne" Vineet" Kal hi hum teeno ne faisla kiya".. NO HOLD ON... WAIT A MIN... Kal raat ko teeno ne..... Why was Debojit not included... Kya Debojit ko Nihira ke elimination se dukh nehi huwa? Kya woh khush tha ke Nihira out ho gayi?? NONSENSE.... Nihira was in the same gharana as Debojit... to dukh to huwa ho ga... I seriously do not understand why they did not consult Debojit.. Is ke peechey kya reason he? Kya un ko pata tha Debojit was going to be on number 1??

6] Nobody raises the question of the % vote from North India.. Only AS does... matlab ke asli problem to yeh he... In my opinion asli reason to saamne aana hi tha... So aa gaya... I will not proceed telling u that those 80 % from all Debojit's votes came from 7 states and not only Assam.

7] At the end public get heated up... I think they are right... But what i dont understand is... that in the end there is this lady saying " Sorry sir i disagree with you..We are looking for India's voice ... not Assam's voice." EXCUSE ME LADY.... Assam India se bahir he??? What pops into my mind is the glamour world of Bollywood.. wahan pe bhi to actors actresses poore India se aatey he.... Us me to kisi ko koi problem nehi he.. Agar singer North India ka he.. to is me aap ko bhala kya problem ho sakti he??? Plus agar kisi contestant ko for example more than 50% of the votes Mumbai se aatey.. To i dont see anyone raising questions on that either.

My main question remains.... WHAT IF not Debojit, but one fo the other three contestant was Challenger number one.. Say for example Vineet or Hema was on 1, then would these three contestants take this decision. Kya Vineet itna mahaan hota ke apni number one position ko Nihira ke liye thukrata?? Kya Hema ki mummy Hema ko kehti" Beta Nihira ke saath bura huwa, tu mat gaa??" Kya Hemani is liye nehi gaati kiu ke Nihira us ki behan jaisi thi........??

OFCOURSE NOT!.. Aisa kuch bhi nehi hota...What i still dont understand is.. Debojit ko kiu nehi pata tha ke they were quitting?? Why was he not involved??

NOW WHAT DO U GUYS THINK??

bang on...........good points 👏

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Khwahish007, well said. If injustice has been done to Nihira they know that there is no use of the prog. as it has been decided that nihira is the best by the contestants. why waste public money? declare her the winner. If they want public opinion then even if only 1 person from assam votes for debo accept it.
The people who are voting do not know much about music. Do the contestants think that music pundits are voting? If they wanted to have a winner who is well deserving it should not be the public, but music pundits deciding.

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