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Not really. Except for dyuoot addiction, there is no other reckless behavior. @ you playing devil's advocate - I realize that but you are twisting the story when you interpret it this way.
Yudhishtira's decisions in the dice game is probably the single most reckless thing that anyone has done in the epic. Not only did he gamble his entire kingdom away, he gambled his brothers, himself and finally his wife! This so-called "Dharma-Raj", supposedly the "epitome of virtue" was so senseless, that he couldn't discriminate between his property and his family, he treated his family as property, even the village idiot would know when to stop.If you think of MB as history - then may be what you are saying is true. I take it as a drama. Even if certain traits were over/under played, the way Duryodhan's character is sketched, there's no doubt that he was not fit to inherit the throne.
Well even if we go along with drama, it still leaves alot of scope for people to add stories. For instance, Vyasa's original tale, titled "Jaya" was only about 9,000 verses long, the current epic is about 100,000 verses, so you can see there's been alot of interpolations. An example of this is the disrobing scene of Draupadi, there is overwhelming internal evidence that it never happened. This incident is recounted plenty of times in later chapters by various characters, including Draupadi herself, especially when she meets Krishna in the forest, and retells everything she went through, she mentions being dragged by the hair to the assembly, but she doesn't mention the far grosser crime of disrobing, she even tells him that he failed her.
For further details, please read the following articles.
Was Draupadi ever disrobed?
http://www.boloji.com/hinduism/134.htm
Was Draupadi Disrobed in the Dice Hall of Hastinapura?
http://www.boloji.com/hinduism/094.htm
Now, you are disappointing me! I came to trust your knowledge of scriptures even though I always have questions on how you interpret that knowledge. But this is plain lame, Empti😆
Pandavas being in hell was an illusion - one last test Dharma gave to yudhisthir. Yudhishthir was given a choice - live with kaurvas in heaven or with pandvas in hell. He chose hell but asked dharmraj what was the criteria of paap punya if his anuj pandavs are in hell. That's when the illusion broke and it turned out all pandavs were in heaven.
Originally posted by: qwertyesque
Which version of epic.. as long as its in print I am good.. 😊 (most crap goes on line.. so people dont take much pains to write and have it printed..)
"'Duryodhana said, "I have studied, made presents according to the ordinance, governed the wide Earth with her seas, and stood over the heads of my foes! Who is there so fortunate as myself! That end again which is courted by Kshatriyas observant of the duties of their own order, death in battle, hath become mine. Who, therefore, is so fortunate as myself? Human enjoyments such as were worthy of the very gods and such as could with difficulty be obtained by other kings, had been mine. Prosperity of the very highest kind had been attained by me! Who then is so fortunate as myself? With all my well-wishers, and my younger brothers, I am going to heaven, O thou of unfading glory! As regards yourselves, with your purposes unachieved and torn by grief, live ye in this unhappy world!"'
"Sanjaya continued, 'Upon the conclusion of these words of the intelligent king of the Kurus, a thick shower of fragrant flowers fell from the sky. The Gandharvas played upon many charming musical instruments. The Apsaras in a chorus sang the glory of king Duryodhana. The Siddhas uttered loud sound to the effect, "Praise be to king Duryodhana!" Fragrant and delicious breezes mildly blew on every side. All the quarters became clear and the firmament looked blue as the lapis lazuli. Beholding these exceedingly wonderful things and this worship offered to Duryodhana, the Pandavas headed by Vasudeva became ashamed. Hearing (invisible beings cry out) that Bhishma and Drona and Karna and Bhurishrava were slain unrighteously, they became afflicted with grief and wept in sorrow."
Nah. Don't bother looking up. I'll take your word here.What I don't get is that why Kunti had to get preggo with Gods when Gandhari was impregnated by her hubby. No one knew at that time how Duryodhan would turn out to be. So, what was the need to get pregnant when Dhritrashtra had that forte covered?
Originally posted by: Emptiness
Well even if we go along with drama, it still leaves alot of scope for people to add stories. For instance, Vyasa's original tale, titled "Jaya" was only about 9,000 verses long, the current epic is about 100,000 verses, so you can see there's been alot of interpolations. An example of this is the disrobing scene of Draupadi, there is overwhelming internal evidence that it never happened. This incident is recounted plenty of times in later chapters by various characters, including Draupadi herself, especially when she meets Krishna in the forest, and retells everything she went through, she mentions being dragged by the hair to the assembly, but she doesn't mention the far grosser crime of disrobing, she even tells him that he failed her.
For further details, please read the following articles.
Was Draupadi ever disrobed?
http://www.boloji.com/hinduism/134.htm
Was Draupadi Disrobed in the Dice Hall of Hastinapura?
http://www.boloji.com/hinduism/094.htm
Originally posted by: Mister.K.
Sacred-texts.com? A sham of a web site solely in the business of aggregating unauthentic, bogus texts authored by a few dullards whose "creations" were on the web at some point but later disappeared because the sites to which they have been published to have been closed? That's the reference material? And what's the other one? Boloji.com?
Is this a joke?!
Originally posted by: Emptiness
hi Mister.K
Originally posted by: Mister.K.
empti, dude, what's up with your obsession to venerate the bad guys at the altar and vilify the good guys? granted, it's not science or history that could be backed up with "facts" but common! could you at least not make up your mind just by reading litter from phony websites?
Originally posted by: Emptiness
hi Mister.K, why do you think it's a sham website with unauthentic texts?.. in that case, the Vedas which are also hosted there, in English translation and the original Sanskrit, is also unauthentic?
Why is the Ganguli translation bogus, and why is he a dullard?, there must be some basis to your complete dismissal other than the fact that you dislike some of the facts that were mentioned?
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