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Posted: 14 years ago
The whole show YPNHK is based on Brahmin ka ladka aur Kayastha ki beti....I guess creators never looked into what Kayastha is all about...So this is what I found.....Never knew this...Interesting and fascinating information...
 
So to me Leher and Abeer should not have much problems for Boodhha Bin Laden 😉😆

Chitragupta ji and the Origin of Kayasthas

Shree Chitra Guptay Namah:

WHO are Kayasthas and what is their origin? Just as the Kshatriyas worship their arms and weapons on the occasion of Dasehra and the Vaishyas take out their bahis (cash-books) and khatas (ledgers) and venerate them on Divali, the Kayasthas, too, reverently place a pen and an ink-pot before their founder and patron deity Chitragupta on dooj (the 2nd day in the phase of the waxing moon), after Divali. They invoke his blessings to give them strength through the pen, considered mightier than the sword.


But where do the Kayasthas or the writing caste fit in the four-fold varna system of the Hindus?

It is said that Brahma, the Creator, having established the four varnas — Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra — ordained Dharamraj ( also called Yamraj, the god of death) to keep record of the deeds — good and evil — of all life-forms born and yet to be born on the earth, in the heavens above and in the lands below. Dharamraj, however, complained, "O Lord, how can I alone keep record of the deeds of the beings born into 84 lakh yonis (life-forms) in the three worlds?"

Brahma then closed his eyes, meditated for a while and lo and behold! there appeared a radiant figure with a quill-pen in one hand and an ink-pot in another. Brahma named him Chittagupta for he was conceived in his cognitive-self (chitta) and he was lying in Him, dormant and secret (gupta). He was born of Brahma's body (kaya) and so the Lord decreed that his progenies be called Kayasthas. He was assigned to work as a minister, to write and record for Dharamraj. Thus, the fifth varna, the Kayastha, came into existence.

Sanskrit texts of yore tell us that Chittagupta married Irawati and Nandini. The 12 Kayastha sub-castes are traced to his 12 sons, eight by Irawati and four by Nandini. Mathurs, Gaurs, Bhatnagars, Saxenas, Ambhasths, Nigams, Karns and Kulshreshths became the descendants of the eight sons by Irawati, whereas Srivastavas, Suryadhwajs, Asthanas and Valmiks became the descendants of the four sons by Nandini. As time passed, the name Chittagupta got transformed into Chitragupta.

Some historians hold the view that during the reign of the Mughals, a number of Hindus who were were educated and endowed with sharp intellect attained administrative positions through rapid adaptation to the Persian language and culture of India's new rulers. These influential Hindus got together and formed a new caste known as Kayastha.

Ancient Sanskrit texts dating back to the pre-Mughal period, though, have references to Kayasthas and Chitragupta. The Smriti of Yajnavalkya describes the Kayasthas as writers, scribes and village accountants. The Vishnu and Parashara Smritis have also similar references to them.

More info in Wikipedia..
 
 
Posted: 14 years ago

Dabulls .. thanks for the insight into the Brahmin & Kayasth communities.

 
Infact .. when the show was launched, out of curiosity, I had also read something about the Kayasths community.http://www.kayasthaparivar.org/the_history.htm And had mentioned in the Love Ne forum (in a thread about Gaurav's new show) where I had mentioned the same - that Kayasths are not the lower class, so whats the hue & cry about? But then .. a fellow Love Ne member (Sistu) explained that the Kayasths are not lower caste .. and they are given equal status as Brahmin & Kshatriya. But despite the status .. fact is that the Brahmins are the highest caste
 
 
Below is Sistu's reply to my post -
 
 
Hi Ekta
 
Well kayasht cast is a high caste but it is not a mixture of brahmin and kshatriya. The site meant to say that they are given a status equal to the of brahmin and kshatriya.
 
The only reason they call it lower is coz it is lower than the brahmin caste which is the most higher class.
 
And what u are saying that they belong to hindu caste is true but trust me, the place where the story is set I understand their view absolutely. For them their as long as someone belongs to another caste they dont like it. It is a big issue. The reason I can say this is that I beling to the bihar and UP community. When I heard the concept of the story many pple said that it is a bakwaas concept coz such things dont exist anymore. But trust me in these parts of India they do significantly.
 
Hope u r not confused?
Posted: 14 years ago
Thanks Eks for sharing Shistu's post ^^....
 
I have been living in US for past 35 yrs so really dont follow all this nonsense on cast and jats...But this show kind of made me curious to find out...
 
I guess brahmins are the only ones who can perform religious-holy poojas which gives them that highest place..
Posted: 14 years ago
Guess you're right about the Brahmins performing pooja's and rituals..
 
 
Like someone had mentioned in one of the posts earlier, that no matter what .. the Brahmins are always considered the higher caste .. no 2 ways about that 😊 
 
 
No offence to anyone 😊 
Posted: 14 years ago

^^^^ I joke & tease my hubby that by marrying him I had to go 2 levels down as He is Bainya and MOI being brahmin...Or I brought his level up by him marrying brahmin...😛

 
No offense...I am having some humor here....
Posted: 14 years ago
thanks for the info! 😊
Posted: 14 years ago
I would like to state that Kayasthas are separate sect ,means different from Brahmin, Baniya etc. and follow  Shri Chitragupt ,advisor to Dev's and Yam . they considerShri Chitragupt as grandfather and pray at special occassions like near after Diwali etc.They are considered the educated and learned class and enjoy status equal to Brahmin and Kshatriyas . Their customs , rituals and way of living ietc. are basically a mixture of Brahmin and Kshatriyas  .  But yes , they are basically considred learned ,educated and wise sect and generally face less hiccups in case of inter-cast marriage in relation with Kshatriyas and Brahmins.
Edited by SeverusSnape - 14 years ago
Posted: 13 years ago

Historical origin of Kayasthas:

Kayasthas started as a social class of Brahmins who took up writing and administration as profession. They were later joined in by several Kshatriya castes, and from a social class, they evolved into a separate caste, probably because of rising squirmishes with a section of powerful Brahmins who were envious of the Kayastha's growing power.

I think there is a connection between:
- the mythological story about Parushram killing all the Kshatriays,
- and the conversion of Ksatriyas into castes like Kayasthas and even Khatris. What probably happened was that as Brahmins became more and more ambitious to grab social power, they devised a plot to remove the Kshatriya caste altogether, and so, they sought refuge in new emerging classes/ castes. The Brahmins did it again, about 1000 years ago in Bengal, when they rendered every other caste in Bengal, except the Brahmins (even some Brahmin castes) into the Sudra category. That includes Bengali Kayasthas, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas. The Kayasthas are the highest in the non-Brahmin caste in Bengal, almost at par with Brahmin, and there traditionally are even inter-marriages between some sections of Brahmins and Kayasthas.
- You will probably be surprised that there are no original Kshatriyas left today, in their original form. The Rajputs are a much later migration from central Asia, and were probably merged into the erstwhile Kshatriya caste or were specially appointed so, after the Brahmins, with their social power, 'annihilated' the origtinal Kshatriyas.

Also, the Ambastha Kayasthas of Northern and Central Bihar have descended from King Ambhi (who ruled large parts of Punjab, Kashmir, etc.) who joined hands with Alexander the Great.

Srivastavas are the descendants of King Lalityaditya Muktipada of Kashmir (a Brahmin King who married his daughter to a Kayastha, who in any case were originally Brahmins) whose kingdom extended from Turkistan in the West to Tibet in the east and Orissa in the south. Then followed a Kayastha dynasty in Kashmir. The name Srivastava is supposed to refer to Srinagar.

Saxena, are descendants of the rulers of Kabul/ Afghanistan in the times of the Shakas, and were originally known as Shaka Sena.
Edited by AalokSri - 13 years ago
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