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Radha ji ... IS incarnation of Lakshmi ji guys ...
How Vishnuji can Lv any one , it hs to be Lakshmiji ... N am sure !
When they were cursed Radha ji knew she cant marry Krishna so she took another incarnation as Rukmini infact all Krishna wives were Radha roop only. Vishnu ji Can nt marry/love any1'except Lakshmiji !!
Yes inJSK they had even shown Radha Kishna marriage in Childhood. But dont know iit was in real or nt.

Yes in at the end of Krishna's life He met Radha ji in Kurukshetra after the curse of 100yrs was over!

i'll post the link where its clearly mentioned that Radha ji was incarnation of Lakshmiji.

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

I have a question, and this is regarding the conditions of Jarasandha's death.

 

Given that Jarasandh was put together along his symmetric dividing line by a Rakshashi named Jara, it explains why his death too could only be attained by someone tearing him apart along that and throwing his halves in opposite directions, so that unlike Jara, they couldn't come together.

 

However, my question is why were both Krishna & Balarama unable to do it, and why did Bhima need to be the one to do it?  I mean, Balaram too could have defeated Jarasandh in a duel the way he did Mushtika, and followed the same procedure.  Also, Krishna killed all his other enemies - Kamsa, Shishupala, Dantavatra, Shalva, Purandara Vasudeva, Narakasura... Was there a divine reason why Jarasandha had to be killed by Bhima alone, and not by one of the Yadavas?

Krishna and Balram were able to defeat Jarasandh 17 times and all these 17 times Balram was about to kill Jarasandh. It was Krishna who came to Balram and told him that they were not the ones who were destined to kill Jarasandh. It was someone else whom destiny has selected to kill Jarasandh. Krishna knew what was to happen and he also knew that it was Bhim who must kill Jarasandh. Krishna could finish off the entire Kaurava army within a day. But he decided not to take weapon in the war and he made Pandavas kill the Kauravas. He knew how to kill Jarasandh; but he remained silent and waited for the correct opportunity and person. Even though He Himself is a God; he don't want to alter destiny.

Parina

lakshmin

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

lakshmin

 

I know that Balaram wasn't destined to kill Jarasandha, but what I was curious was how did the identity of the person who was come about?  Like w/ Sishupal, Krishna was destined to kill him b'cos of both the Jaya/Vijaya prophecy, as well as the fact that in Krishna's arms itself, Sishupala lost his third eye & extra arms.  Kamsa had the prophecy that Devaki's 8th child would kill him.

 

Similarly, I was curious about Jarasandha - whether there was any prophecy or something that pre-ordained that it would be Bhima who'd kill him, and no one else?

yes...there is...

Bhima, Bakasura, Duryodhana, khichaka and jarasanda are all born of same strength and in same nakshatra.

it is said that, if the first person amongst them kills the other, will eventually kill all others and gain loads of strength...This secret is known to Krishna. hence krishna wants bhima to kill jarasandh and not balaram.
Edited by kinny_ranvir - 12 years ago

since childhood i heared about Radhaji is Laksmiji's incarnation here its clearly mentioned

making the text bold red where its mentioned and my comments in Green

Radha

Radha
A Rajastani style painting of Radha
Devanagari	????
Sanskrit Transliteration	Radha
Tamil script	Radaa

Radha (Devanagari: ????, IAST: Radha), also called Radhika, Radharani and Radhikarani, is the childhood friend and lover of Krishna in the Bhagavata Purana, and the Gita Govinda of the Vaisnava traditions of Hinduism.^[1] Radha is almost always depicted alongside Krishna and features prominently within the theology of today's Gaudiya Vaishnava sect, which regards Radha as the original Goddess or Shakti. Radha is also the principal object of worship in the Nimbarka Sampradaya, as Nimbarka, the founder of the tradition, declared that Radha and Krishna together constitute the absolute truth.^[2] Radha's relationship with Krishna is given in further detail within texts such as the Brahma Vaivarta Purana, Garga Samhita and Brihad Gautamiya tantra.

Radha is often referred to as Radharani or "Radhika" in speech, prefixed with the respectful term 'Srimati' by devout followers. Radha is an incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi.^[3][4][5]

Radha the Gopi

In the story of Krishna, as told in the Mahabharata and the Bhagavata Purana, he spends much of his childhood in the company of young cow-herd girls, called Gopis in the village of Vrindavan. Krishna left his native place at the age of twelve for study at gurukul .The Mahabharata does not describe Krishna's earlier life in Vrindavan in much detail, and focuses more on the later battle of Kurukshetra but within the Bhagavata Purana the child-hood pastimes of Krishna are described very vividly. Within the Bhagavata Purana, Radha is not mentioned by name but is alluded to within the tenth chapter of the text as one of the gopis whom Krishna plays with during his upbringing as a young boy. Krishna left Vrindavan for Mathura at the age of 10 years and 7 months according to Bhagavata Purana.^[6]

In the Vaishnava devotional or bhakti traditions of Hinduism that focus on Krishna, Radha is Krishna's friend and advisor. For some of the adherents of these traditions, her importance approaches or even exceeds that of Krishna. She is considered to be his original Shakti, the supreme goddess in both the Nimbarka Sampradaya and following the advent of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu also within the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition. Other gopis are usually considered to be her maidservants, with Radha having the prominent position of Krishna's favour. "Among the eternal associates of the Lord the gopis are the most exhalted, and among the gopis Srimati Radharani is the best. It has been mentioned in the narration of the Skanda Purana that out of many thousands of gopis, 16,000 are prominent. Out of these, 108 are important, and out of 108, eight are principal. Out of eight gopis, Radharani and Candravali are chief, and out of these two Srimati Radharani is superior."^[7]

Her connection to Krishna is of two types: svakiya-rasa (married relationship) and parakiya-rasa (a relationship signified with eternal mental "love"). The Gaudiya tradition focuses upon parakiya-rasa as the highest form of love, wherein Radha and Krishna share thoughts even through separation. The love the gopis feel for Krishna is also described in this esoteric manner as the highest platform of spontaneous love of God, and not of a sexual nature.

Proponents of the Gaudiya and Nimbarka schools of Vaishnavism give the highly esoteric nature of Radha's relationship to Krishna as the reason why her story is not mentioned in detail in the other Puranic texts.^[8]

[edit] Birth

Radha was the daughter of Vrishbhanu who was king Suchandra in his previous life. Suchandra and his wife had acquired a boon from Brahmaji that in the Dwapar age Shri Laxmi will be born as a daughter to them in the form of Radha. King Suchendra and Queen Kalavati only were reborn as Vrishbhanu and Kirtikumari and Laxmiji was incarnated as Radha.

It is said that at the time of Radha's birth, Devarshi Narad himself went and met Vrishbhanu and informed him, "This girl's beauty and nature is divine. All the houses, wherever her footprints are, Lord Narayan with all other deities will reside. Nurture this girl thinking her to be a Goddess." According to Naradji's advice, Vrishbhanu nurtured Radha with great love and care. Nandbaba who lived in the nearby village was friends with Vrishbanu. Once during the festival of Holi; Vrishbanu went to Gokul to meet Nandrai. At Nandrai and Yashoda's house Krishna (who was growing up as their son) met Radha. Their union was divine, phenomenal and incessant. This meeting was Radha and Krishna's first meeting which became eternal.

Radha's love towards Krishna in the terrestrial or customary meaning is not just the relation between a man and woman. The feeling of this love is divine and phenomenal which gives this love a pious form. The philosophical side of this reduces the distance of the support and supportive, also the difference between the worshipper and worshipful is not there. Krishna is the life of Vraj; Radha is the soul of Krishna. That is why, it is said, "Atma Tu Radhika Tasya" (Radha, you are His soul). One form of Radha is, she is a devotee, worshipper of Krishna and in the second form she is the worshipful, devoted by Krishna. 'Aradhyate Asau itii Radha.' Radha ' Krishna's love is the symbol of the feeling of being united. When two souls are united, the difference of the other or the second vanishes.Her father Vrsabhanu was the king of cowherds GopYadavas. Vrsabhanu was a partial incarnation of Lord Narayana while her mother Kalavati was a partial incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi.

Her worship is especially prominent in Vrindavan, the place where Krishna is said to have lived. Wherein Her importance surpasses even the importance of Krishna. Radha's love for Krishna is held within Gaudiya Vaishnavism as the most perfect primarily because of its endless and unconditional nature. Thus she is the most important friend of Krishna, 'His heart and soul', and His 'hladini-shakti' (mental companion potency).

In the Brihad-Gautamiya Tantra, Radharani is described as follows: "The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord."

[edit] Nimbarka

Nimbarka was the first Vaishnava acharya to disseminate teachings about Radha.^[9][10]

[edit] Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

The Bengali saint Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (1486'1534) is believed by many (see especially the modern-day ISKCON movement) to be an incarnation of both Radha and Krishna, simultaneously in one form. Throughout his life, Chaitanya lived as a devotee of Vaishnava tradition, not openly claiming to be any form of Avatar, but in his biographies it is claimed that he revealed his divine form to some of his closer associates.^[11]

[edit] Names & Worship

Radha has many epithets describing her qualities and characteristics.

• Radhika - This is the most common epithet, meaning she whose worship of the Krishna is all powerful. She who embodies supreme focus and mental clarity. The incarnation of the goddess Lakshmi. Beauty, intelligence, and good fortuned one.
  
• Gandharvi - Expert singer ... i hd also heared that Radhaji only taught Krishna flute
  
• Govinda-nandini - She who gives happiness to Govinda (Krishna)
• Govinda-mohini - She who mystifies Govinda
• Govinda-sarvasva - One to whom Govinda is the all-in-all, or everything.
• Sarva-kanta Shiromani - The crown jewel of all Krishna's consorts
• Krishnamayi - The one who sees Krishna both within and without
• Madan-Mohan-Mohini - Within Gaudiya tradition Krishna (as the Supreme Person) is believed to be the enchanter of all living beings, including even Kamadeva (Madan) - The god of attraction. Because Radha has the unique position of being able to enchant even Krishna she is therefore known as Madan-Mohan-Mohini: the enchanter of the enchanter of Cupid.
• Aradhana - The root name of Radharani, meaning one who excels in worshiping Krishna
• Sarva-lakshmi - The original source of all the goddesses of fortune means Lakshmiji
  
• Vrshabhanu-nandini - Daughter of Vrishabanu
• Vrshabhanu-suta - Daughter of Vrishabanu
• Vrshabhanu-Dulari - loving daughter of Vrishabanu
• Vrndavaneshvari - Queen of Vrindavana
• Lalita-Sakhi - Friend of the gopi Lalita
• Gokula-Taruni - She whom all young girls of Gokul worship
• Damodara Rati - She who dresses herself to please Damodara (Krishna)
• Radharani ' Radha the queen
• RadhaKrishna - Krishna Himself in the form of Radha (Worship of Krishna with Radha)
• Vrajrani - Queen of Vraj ( Krishna being the king)
• Swaminiji- The companion of Krishna
• Karika_Mix form of Krishna and Radha; Verse; Reborn
• Ramika_Reborn; New Face; Modern
• Sakalepsitdaatri- She fulfills all desires of her devotees.
• Raaseshwari - The goddess of raas (folk-dance).
• Sarveshwari - The one who is goddess of all.
• Raj- Rajeshwari - The goddess of god.
• Ladali - The beloved.
• Barsaane Wali - The one who lives at Barsaana.
• Krishna-Priya - beloved of lord Krishna.
• Haridaas-Dulari - beloved of swami Haridas

One of her names, Hara (mentioned in Narada-pancaratra 5.5.59), in vocative Hare, forms a part of the Hare Krishna 'Maha-Mantra', one of the most popular Vedic mantras, especially amongst Gaudiya Vaishnavas. Radharani's names hold a place of prime importance within Gaudiya Vaishnava religious practices.

[edit] Quotations about Radha

• "Although the effulgence of the moon is brilliant initially at night, in the daytime it fades away. Similarly, although the lotus is beautiful during the daytime, at night it closes. But, O My friend, the face of My most dear Srimati Radharani is always bright and beautiful, both day and night. Therefore, to what can Her face be compared?" (Vidagdha-madhava 5.20)

• "When Srimati Radharani smiles, waves of joy overtake Her cheeks, and Her arched eyebrows dance like the bow of Cupid. Her glance is so enchanting that it is like a dancing bumblebee, moving unsteadily due to intoxication. That bee has bitten the whorl of My heart." (Vidagdha-madhava 2.51)

• "Just as Srimati Radharani is most dear to Krishna, Her bathing pond is similarly dear. Of all the gopis, She is the most beloved of the Lord." (Padma Purana)

• "The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord." (Brihad-gautamiya-tantra)

• "Among all persons, it is Sri Radha in whose company Lord Madhava is especially glorious, as She is especially glorious in His." (Rig-parisishta)

• "Radharani is the source of spiritual inspiration" (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

Edited by ...PARiNA... - 12 years ago

my computer wasnt woring form few days .. so from mobile i searched a lot ..

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this is again from wikipedia ... where i searched about Laksmiji

Mahalakshmi is called Shri or Thirumagal (???????? in Tamil; ???? ??? ??????? in Telugu) because She is endowed with six auspicious and divine qualities, or Gunas, and also because She is the source of strength even to Lord Narayana. She is the consort of Vishnu^[2] and married Rama (in Her incarnation as Sita) and Krishna (as Radha^[3][4][5] and later Rukmini). All the wives of Krishna were forms of Lakshmi.^[6]

Although Mother Lakshmi is worshipped as the goddess of fortune, when she is worshipped with Narayana, the worshipper is blessed with not only wealth but also peace and prosperity. They can be worshipped in various forms, such as Lakshmi Narayana, Lakshmi Narasimha, Sita Rama, Radha Krishna, or Vithal Rukmini.

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again same source wikipedia.. about krishna

Krishna married Rukmini, the Vidarbha princess, by abducting her,at her request, from her proposed wedding with Shishupala. Krishna subsequently married 16,100 maidens who were held captive by demon Narakasura, to save their honour.^[59][60] of which eight were chief'collectively called the Ashta Bharya'including Rukmini, Satyabhama, Jambavati, Kalindi, Mitravrinda, Nagnajiti, Bhadra and Lakshana.^[61][62] Krishna killed the demon and released them all. According to strict social custom of the time, all of the captive women were degraded, and would be unable to marry, as they had been under the Narakasura's control. However Krishna married them to reinstate their status in the society. This wedding with 16,100 abandoned daughters was more of a mass women rehabilitation.^[63] In Vaishnava traditions, Krishna's wives are believed to be forms of the goddess Lakshmi'consort of Vishnu, or special souls who attained this qualification after many lifetimes of austerity, while his queen Satyabhama, is an expansion of Radha.^[64]



Edited by ...PARiNA... - 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _Vrish_

Parina

 

All of Krishna's wives were not incarnations of Lakshmi - those 16,100 definitely weren't, and neither were his main wives.  Satyabhama, for instance, is believed to be incarnation of Bhudevi.   Also, if you saw the thread I referenced to Vik, some texts actually have Radha married to (R)Ayann, b4 she met Krishna.  If she was Lakshmi, how could she have married anyone else?

 

Unlike in Rama's avatar, where Lakshmi-ji had Vishnu all to herself, in this incarnation, she had to share him.  One story about Satyabhama was that in Rama avatar, Rama declined to marry Chandraprabha, who was an avatar of Bhudevi, but promised to do it in the Dwapar Yuga, which he fulfilled when Krishna married Satyabhama.

 

Radha's divine origins are still an open question.

as i hv read all the 16000 wives were Radha roop only coz Krishna cudnt marry Radhaji so He married all her 16000 roop. Radha ji is considered to be sarvaguna sammpan , so all theise wives were her diff roop with all diff gunas.

yes Satyabhama was incarnation of Bhudevi who is again Lakshmi roop

Bhumi (Sanskrit: ????), also Bhumi-Devi (Sanskrit: ???? ????) is the divine wife of Varaha, an Avatar of Vishnu. She is the representative goddess, Mother Earth. According to Hindu mythology, the divine saint Andal is a form of her. The demon Narakasura is her son.^[1] She is the mother of Sita, (note the symbolism of the baby Sita being found in a ploughed field). According to the uttara-kanda, when Sita finally leaves her husband Rama, she returns to Bhumidevi. Bhumi Devi is also believed to be one of the two forms of Lakshmi. The other is Sridevi, who remains with Narayana. Bhudevi is the Goddess of Earth, and the fertility form of Lakshmi.

soruce again wiki 😉

now about Radhaji's marriage.. its true that Radha Krishna married in their childhood
but there are many stories related to it.

i too read about Radhaji marring Arnay, somewhere it was mentioend she was married before meeting  Krishna, after He left Gokul, she wasnt married at all or she went back to Golok( but this last wont be the right one as she met Krishna in Kururshetra after the curse of 100 years was over)

 
In JSK forum Raj mentioned to us that Radha ji wasnt married infact she was engaged to whom she never married but it was Abhimanu not Arnay
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/topic/1202217?pn=8

cant find the link where i read that Laksmiji was cursed to marry someone else in Drapar yug as Radha.
but i guess even if she was married or engaged He must be Vishnu Avatar only 😉

...PARiNA...,