Episode 23 Update: Happy Endings Depend on Where the Story Ends - Page 5

some thoughts on "Happy Endings Depend on Where the Story Ends", was in my mind especially in relation to the book synopsis kendra had shared. in the book, the happy ending is the couple breaking up and thus ending the cycle of abuse that goes from one generation to another.

I can see that kind of show on some other channel like sony or web but on sitara??? would sitara show a happy ending where the woman walks off alone into the sunset???? would audience accept that? or would it be considered sad ending?

I have seen drama in many languages across Asia and what I find interesting is that there is a lot more grey reading on whether characters get redeemed. things aren't as black and white unlike western shows or books.

sometimes, characters that I find absurd are given depth, back stories that make you wonder. there is always punishment in that they have to face the consequences of their actions but then there is a turning point and sometimes a hopeful note of reconciliation.

I am reminded of a news documentary I saw many years ago about ex-convicts and their life outside prison. many find it difficult to find work because of their history. so even if they have served their time and are genuinely repentant, most in society don't necessarily forget the past. so it was interesting to see folks who actively employ ex-cons.

one was a factory type outfit and the man was very aware of his own background -- there had been domestic abuse at home and to escape, he had a rough upbringing. so for him, he saw it as a lucky kind of escape that he didn't end up in jail and instead focused his restlessness into gainful employment and rose up to own his own business.

he wasn't afraid of ex-cons in that he had grown up rough. plus, the older employees (who were ex-cons) were highly protective of the space and the chance at a new life that they thoroughly kept an eye on the new employee ex-con. if any showed they weren't serious, they were given the door. in real life, redemptions are hard to come by and the past does not get erased.

the question that arises in my mind is at what point can a character be redeemed in a drama. if their anger comes out of substance abuse and they are given treatment, then do they deserve a chance at reconciliation? or is anger a trait that cannot be changed?

if a character's violence comes out of unresolved trauma and the character addresses what is going on in their mind, is it possible to let go of the anger? or is it something that stays?

if the family members forgive after a certain cooling period (that is well-written), can we see a true reunion? is the FL being a doormat even if she actively makes the choice to let go of the past and try and build something again?

what is the level of anger that is forgivable and redeemable? and what is not? sometimes characters are given a clean chit because they happen to be super handsome but in others, there is a really good character graph and journey that happens.

what will we see in this drama especially given the promo that was posted in social media thread? what do folks think? is garv's anger a personality trait or something that can be changed? if a person lets go of their anger, do they deserve a second chance? or is reconciliation not possible under some circumstances and the best solution for all is to separate?

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

When has BM ever thought about the consequences of her actions, jo woh ab karengi? 😆

As for the police, they mentioned that this is a notorious gang. If BM said Titli is a part of it, as per their duty, they'll have to arrest her as a suspect until their investigation is complete. I don't think they'll want to take the risk of letting a criminal escape.

Lmao, I was not expecting that kaalu jadu / dhongi pandit scene. But I guess that's her role in the show - to always keep us on our toes kyunki yeh kuch bhi kar sakti hai. 😆

I wonder what was MK's reason for not being able to marry Maina? And Koyal ne aisa kya kiya that made her the best choice as a bahu for the family? 😕

Ahh yes. That makes sense. And Badima did say she'll be a witness.

Same! Such a weird way to get Titli to doubt Garv's intentions. But in a way it's good. At least there's not someone with actual hopes of a relationship caught in this.

Maybe Maina wasn't of marriagable age or something.

Arey that dada was saying na? He probably has no recollection of Koyal's kaands. No one even backed him up.

Originally posted by: Redflag

No wonder her husband always scold her 🤣 I hate domestic abuse but badi maa deserves it

I would be careful about wishing domestic abuse on someone. As annoying as BM is, our goal should be to wish she learns her lessons and how to become a better version of her current self.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

some thoughts on "Happy Endings Depend on Where the Story Ends", was in my mind especially in relation to the book synopsis kendra had shared. in the book, the happy ending is the couple breaking up and thus ending the cycle of abuse that goes from one generation to another.

I can see that kind of show on some other channel like sony or web but on sitara??? would sitara show a happy ending where the woman walks off alone into the sunset???? would audience accept that? or would it be considered sad ending?

I have seen drama in many languages across Asia and what I find interesting is that there is a lot more grey reading on whether characters get redeemed. things aren't as black and white unlike western shows or books.

sometimes, characters that I find absurd are given depth, back stories that make you wonder. there is always punishment in that they have to face the consequences of their actions but then there is a turning point and sometimes a hopeful note of reconciliation.

I am reminded of a news documentary I saw many years ago about ex-convicts and their life outside prison. many find it difficult to find work because of their history. so even if they have served their time and are genuinely repentant, most in society don't necessarily forget the past. so it was interesting to see folks who actively employ ex-cons.

one was a factory type outfit and the man was very aware of his own background -- there had been domestic abuse at home and to escape, he had a rough upbringing. so for him, he saw it as a lucky kind of escape that he didn't end up in jail and instead focused his restlessness into gainful employment and rose up to own his own business.

he wasn't afraid of ex-cons in that he had grown up rough. plus, the older employees (who were ex-cons) were highly protective of the space and the chance at a new life that they thoroughly kept an eye on the new employee ex-con. if any showed they weren't serious, they were given the door. in real life, redemptions are hard to come by and the past does not get erased.

the question that arises in my mind is at what point can a character be redeemed in a drama. if their anger comes out of substance abuse and they are given treatment, then do they deserve a chance at reconciliation? or is anger a trait that cannot be changed?

if a character's violence comes out of unresolved trauma and the character addresses what is going on in their mind, is it possible to let go of the anger? or is it something that stays?

if the family members forgive after a certain cooling period (that is well-written), can we see a true reunion? is the FL being a doormat even if she actively makes the choice to let go of the past and try and build something again?

what is the level of anger that is forgivable and redeemable? and what is not? sometimes characters are given a clean chit because they happen to be super handsome but in others, there is a really good character graph and journey that happens.

what will we see in this drama especially given the promo that was posted in social media thread? what do folks think? is garv's anger a personality trait or something that can be changed? if a person lets go of their anger, do they deserve a second chance? or is reconciliation not possible under some circumstances and the best solution for all is to separate?

I think substance abuse is in itself an issue that needs help, whether it leads to angry outbursts/violence and I don't think a partner/family needs to be okay with it. Same goes for trauma. I think there is some amount of internal processing on how one chooses to process their childhood/adulthood trauma - I have read about people who choose to subject that trauma to someone else/ people who choose to do their life differently by being nice/ or even people who go through a dark phase before turning good.

I mean I think whats to be seen is the extent of Garv's anger- because we all get angry tbh, but being controlling/overtly posessive/ injuries from outbursts etc are in my opinion not okay and personally i think its best for both individuals to move on even if Garv were in fact to turn good because it wont be as rosy and lovely as it was prior to the incidents of abuse. But yes for sure if Garv were to become good, he would also deserve to have happiness in his life (assuming none of his outbursts were criminal offences lol).

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

some thoughts on "Happy Endings Depend on Where the Story Ends", was in my mind especially in relation to the book synopsis kendra had shared. in the book, the happy ending is the couple breaking up and thus ending the cycle of abuse that goes from one generation to another.

I can see that kind of show on some other channel like sony or web but on sitara??? would sitara show a happy ending where the woman walks off alone into the sunset???? would audience accept that? or would it be considered sad ending?

I have seen drama in many languages across Asia and what I find interesting is that there is a lot more grey reading on whether characters get redeemed. things aren't as black and white unlike western shows or books.

sometimes, characters that I find absurd are given depth, back stories that make you wonder. there is always punishment in that they have to face the consequences of their actions but then there is a turning point and sometimes a hopeful note of reconciliation.

I am reminded of a news documentary I saw many years ago about ex-convicts and their life outside prison. many find it difficult to find work because of their history. so even if they have served their time and are genuinely repentant, most in society don't necessarily forget the past. so it was interesting to see folks who actively employ ex-cons.

one was a factory type outfit and the man was very aware of his own background -- there had been domestic abuse at home and to escape, he had a rough upbringing. so for him, he saw it as a lucky kind of escape that he didn't end up in jail and instead focused his restlessness into gainful employment and rose up to own his own business.

he wasn't afraid of ex-cons in that he had grown up rough. plus, the older employees (who were ex-cons) were highly protective of the space and the chance at a new life that they thoroughly kept an eye on the new employee ex-con. if any showed they weren't serious, they were given the door. in real life, redemptions are hard to come by and the past does not get erased.

the question that arises in my mind is at what point can a character be redeemed in a drama. if their anger comes out of substance abuse and they are given treatment, then do they deserve a chance at reconciliation? or is anger a trait that cannot be changed?

if a character's violence comes out of unresolved trauma and the character addresses what is going on in their mind, is it possible to let go of the anger? or is it something that stays?

if the family members forgive after a certain cooling period (that is well-written), can we see a true reunion? is the FL being a doormat even if she actively makes the choice to let go of the past and try and build something again?

what is the level of anger that is forgivable and redeemable? and what is not? sometimes characters are given a clean chit because they happen to be super handsome but in others, there is a really good character graph and journey that happens.

what will we see in this drama especially given the promo that was posted in social media thread? what do folks think? is garv's anger a personality trait or something that can be changed? if a person lets go of their anger, do they deserve a second chance? or is reconciliation not possible under some circumstances and the best solution for all is to separate?

The level of anger that is forgivable and redeemable is subjective to each. Also depends on one's culture and what kind of environment they grew up in. I personally have a very low threshold for that. If my partner hits me once, I will spend the rest of my life walking on eggshells around him, afraid to make any wrong move. And I don't want to live such a life, so I will definitely be taking a long break at least from them. But again there are many factors that weigh in, like kids. People often have to think as parents first and then react.

Since the show is on Sitara you can forget the FL growing a spine and standing up for herself. The only channel where this can happen is Sony as they don't seem to care too much about trp. Sitara is running at first place in this race and to stay in the first place they need the support of the trp audience that watches shows in prime time at home. And unfortunately, that audience still prefers the good vs bad kind of shows where FL is out and out mahaan. As I said in a previous post, I have a strong feeling that they will make Badi maa a villain exclusively and Garv will be whitewashed somehow.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

am reminded of one of my favourite quotes I came across accidentally.

so similarly, happy endings provide the same kind of relief to audience; everyone is aware that not everything is tied in a neat bow especially when your reality is rather difficult but seeing happy endings gives one hope that things can work out nicely.

however, that said, not all happy endings look the same. as you grow up, you realize that sometimes a bittersweet ending can also be happy but it is up to the audience and their maturity to accept it.

for example, the last samurai movie had a bittersweet ending where we lost pretty much all these characters we loved. but it is one of my favourite endings and something I remember among the countless movies and dramas I have watched.

https://youtu.be/J2Cq7nKyZRw?t=45

was it fully happy? not necessarily so. but like the narrator says, "he found a small measure of peace" and sometimes that is what true happy endings are about. not the absence of future conflict but the characters finding a resilience to keep going and so you are left with the knowledge as a viewer that these characters you have enjoyed will be fine regardless of what happens.

Bittersweet endings made me think of the classical Disney movies we all grew up with. Cinderella for example gets her prince but it's at the cost of her family. Tarzan gets Jane but he loses his father in the process. There is a lot of growth and change the characters go through before they reach those pinnacles and that's what I'm hoping for TiRv. Whether they get a happy or bittersweet ending, I want TiRv to undergo an enormous amount of change. We all know the changes Garv needs to make, but Titli needs to change too. She needs to step out of her fairytale and accept reality for how it is.

I haven't watched The Last Samurai so I can't say how that movie fared out but given how much you admire it, I will definitely check it out!

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

badi maa does not want a reality check. manikant is in no way trying to delude her or cheat her. he is very direct in his derision, his frustration and his insults. he does not sugar coat one bit. badi maa wants to live in her delusions because that allows her to live in the house. if she was forced to confront the truth, then she will have to accept that there is no room for her in this house -- so where does she go? she will have to walk away from manikant who is the love of her life.

makes me wonder if garv learns his obsessive tendencies from badi maa.... what do folks think? how do you think badi maa is negatively influencing him? because she did not get a happy ending, will she allow garv to get one? won't she want him to be miserable subconsciously so that she gets to have his company and his support?

BM deluding herself is completely true. The ways in which she twists Manikant's words and actions to prove that he actually loves her and not hate, is not just sad but also horrifying. I don't want to say this, but Koyal's current situation is brought upon herself. The only reason why Manikant is so rude to her is because she flat out refuses to change. Whether it's learning from her mistakes or trying to better herself, she doesn't even want to take that initiative. If she had, then maybe Manikant wouldn't be so harsh on her.

I don't think Garv got his obsession tendencies from Koyal. I think he learned how to be stubborn and rigid in his ways from her. Like her, he too refuses to learn from his mistakes and change for the better. As evident in his personal and professional life, Garv's biggest flaw is his loss of control over his temper. He has been counseled by Koyal, Monica, and even a judge which should have really pushed him to action. His being mad at Titli over the smiley video is laughable now because really, he should have been mad at himself. If he didn't drive so recklessly and intimidate those individuals, there wouldn't have been a lawsuit against him. Yes, he has thought about it and given the self-pep talks on how he doesn't want to become like his dad but what steps has he taken for that transformation?

Koyal will never want Garv to be as miserable as her. He's her ladla bacha whom she will never want to see hurt. What I think is happening is that since Koyal did not birth Garv into this world, she's birthing a world for him to live in instead. Garv did say after all, "Badi Maa ne humein duniya dikhayi hai". Koyal has played an instrumental part in shaping Garv's formative years. The abuse she suffered from Manikant's hands, not having a respectable place in the house even though she's the first and eldest daughter-in-law, and not to mention constantly excusing Manikant's actions as being love. If he saw from a young child that abuse = love then kahin na kahin woh uske mann mein fit hogaya hoga. Yes, we have seen Garv protect his employee from that creepy molester, but we are also now seeing Garv enforce his will onto Titli rather than let her have a voice of her own. So even though it's subconsciously, he's doing exactly what his father is doing to his Badi Maa - using his dominance to dictate the rules, using his power to enforce them, and making sure Titli remains loyally submissive.

I think we will get a clearer picture of why Garv is like this when Mehta's backstory is revealed more.

Originally posted by: Leah347

Also, I’m hoping at some point they’ll clear the “ladke nahi rote” as a learning point for Garv, that anyone can cry.

Yes! Crying is not a sign of weakness. It's the body's way of relieving stress (a far better method than smashing a room) and showing that a person is capable of feeling empathy (which Garv seriously needs to learn how to do).

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

badi maa will never accept titli because garv will inevitably keep titli above her. she wants someone who is naturally subservient to herself, who she can dominate and boss around like the servants and make herself about her miserable life. so she will push garv to treat titli badly.

This I agree with. Seeing that Garv has chosen Titli of all people over her is going to cement Koyal's hatred. You know sometimes I shudder, thinking of what kind of girl Koyal would have chosen for Garv. Agar woh Koyal jaisi hui toh?

Loll, brace yourself for all the kitchen politics that are about to come. 😆

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

badi maa has no realization that she makes others miserable in her household and how she drives manikant nuts because he constantly has to fix the chaos she creates. so where she will realize that she is giving garv misery? especially when he himself won't accept that badi maa is super flawed and creates drama in the house. when he is unwilling to accept the consequences of her actions during monica's wedding, where he will realize that she is toxic for him?

Bear with me for a moment while I try to draw some parallels here. 😆

Garv = Badi Maa

• highly stubborn
  
• constantly creating kaand
• not giving a damn about others
• impulsive

Titli = Manikant

• want to live a happy, stress free life
• constantly fixing the mess made by Garv/BM
• think through their decisions and then stay firm with them

For Garv to realize that BM is toxic, he needs to first start listening to his father, and I mean actually listen. Understand the pain, and bitterness that are behind Manikant's words; the anger and resentment behind his helplessness. Until he starts doing that, he will never be able to see BM for who she truly is.