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Posted: 13 years ago
#81
After reading all the comments and analysis i just have few confusions and questions.

I cannot/do not want to compare Vel and Charu tracks..Vel was against T for no reason, same time both T and T were accepting things or seeing things wrt VEL in the same angle...they were not contradicting!!...
Where as Charu track - TA did not disclose about T to her, he actually ditched her, though I deftlly agree that he was partially a reason for the same and more to be GW/Padma/Anand and C herself to an extent where she did not let him talk. So TA had guilty feelings towards her, but one question here.
TA's guilty feeling towards C is agreeable and he getting mad at T for shouting at C (phone conversation) till he spoke about education/slavery is 100% agreeable. Even then whenever he shouted at T supporting C is an extent agreeable bcos of same reason(guilt factor).
But TA knows very well about his mother. Why should he support his mom? I would have agreed if his support to his mom was only wrt Charu, but it was very well beyond that -> her fate, his messed up life for an year...he was actually agreeing to whatever his mom said. I would have agreed if TA never knew about his mom. Doesnt he know his mom cheated him for the 4lakhs money once, he knows her behaviour towards thulasi (she made her starve), he knows how she treated T in Vel's case. Okie, he might thought these were reasons bcos his mom never liked T. But when Puvi explained things to him like a kid, why didnt he hear them. He knows his mom beat up and down T, he knows his mom threatened T at the PS.
Okie he not hearing(suspecting his mom) to all these are considerable as he might thought his mom did not like T(same as Padma).
But why did he claim T as mentally affected, he put such a blame on her twice. Just bcos she is possessive he would call her so???
Why didnt he respect his wife's feelings when she does not like someones companion. He shd have tried to be away from C if his wife does not like it, atleast after knowing KP and C are engaged!!!

What was the reason for him to go to the level of divorce? Threaten her?? No way!!...Calling her mentally stable, threatening her to divorce after saying he cannot live with her etc are contradicting!!...
So if he really trying to give her a shock treatment to her, did he expect T to fall at his feet thinking he was right? If that is the reason how did he agree to T's last plan alone? Giving her a last chance to prove herself? How did he get a suddent patience to listen to her all of a sudden? This is completely messed up!! I agree T and T did not meet after coming from Blore, but TA of all listening to T's words and acting is totally unacceptable. Simple reason is there or happened same time. Just minuted before TA had proved T was wrong by calling Joseph, so would he listen to her plans then??? I m not convinced at this!!

Now like many say I do not feel any pity at Charu for jumping, she did not want T and T to win and her dialogues proved it so.
Now my question is
1) GP knows what C is capable of. He spoke to a doctor too and knows C will go to any level. Even if we consider GP never talked to anyone about illness...when TA had called GP/VR/Gayathri why didnt GP tell TA about her illness and the way to handle her? The timeline was more than enough.
2) VR/Gayathri, even did not blv GP earlier...again same way with what confidence they bot came there on GP's call?
3) TA's slaps are agreeable - If at all TA wanted to bring her back to senses, is this the way to handle a mentally affected person. Did he think a slap would make her come back to senses and saying you are nothing to me would be enough/ But is the method adopted is a failure? If he had listened to his mom all along ignoring T and Puvi words what right he has to offend C...he raised her confidence all along right?

Now of all - If we have to consider, the last set of dialogues will make T and T to be careful in life or rather let me say a lesson for them to be cautious towards people...now wrt charu's case,
1) TA did a mistake and had guilt factor and was supporting C ignoring everyone
2) C exceeed her limits in doing mistakes and torturted T like anything.
My question here is, since C exceeded her limit in commiting mistakes for what TA/T did, and if we ahve to say they(rather T alone) had suffered enough bcos of C, his guilt factor is gone and that they have to forget what he did to C(ditcing C and marrying her), the guilty factor and move up in life?
Does that mean, when we commit a mistake towards a person and if other person does more than that, we should forget what we did to them and give up the guilt factor? We were the starting point right...Same way her TA marrying T after engaged to C is the starting point. He triggered her psycho feel and she went to a level beyond control!!...So how will he forget the guilty feeling...he would be rather having more in this case...

I wonder what justification they are going to give after watching the episode...But of all C's decision is agreeable as she was a loser anyways ...she would anyway do that even if TA had calmly explained her but to be frank the rest(VR/GP/TA) handling C is what is not agreeable from my POV..
Let me wait patiently for what they are going to bring up...
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Posted: 13 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: shubba


Why didnt he respect his wife's feelings when she does not like someones companion. He shd have tried to be away from C if his wife does not like it, atleast after knowing KP and C are engaged!!!

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If TA done this, charu climax epaiyo vanthirukum.😉...TA missed that opportunity.😉...Now charu questioning about TT love(which made us to watch this serial)😭.already TA character damaged lot...ithula vera ?😆

intha CT's viewers ha tension panrthu la oru sandhosham...😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shubba, You have raised a good number of questions. For some of the questions, the director and the team has to answer.
But I will answer your question on guilt factor based on what I know. The first question is, how is C going to benefit if TA is carrying the guilt factor throughout the life. All C wants is TA marry her which he never could do. TA's guilt factor has to go down because he is to sort himself and not because of whatever C does to him. Let's accept TA did a mistake by ditching C and marrying T and that is a mistake on his part. But how is he helped if he blames himself for the mistake he did? He did the mistake due to his ignorance and other factors among which the mistakes done by his mom also plays part. No human being goes on in life without doing any mistake and every mistake can be forgiven. Definitely TA can understand himself, accept himself and forgive himself for what he did to Charu Of course if she needs help, he could do that. Another point is I can't agree TA triggered her psycho feeling. The psycho feeling is because of her attitude and because she knew she got everything she desired in life other than TA and because of what VR did. How could she feel, if VR attempted murder of TA and got away with that? What would have happened if she felt it was all justifiable? C went into psycho mode because heartbreak and helplessness after TA ditched her was too much. Also she has a false belief that T took away her own TA for which TA is not responsible. Whatever be the case TA has the duty on himself for being gentle on himself and forgive himself and then only he could be beneficial to Charu or anyone or T.
Edited by maha2us - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: maha2us

Gunthy, You say, 'TA is the biggest culprit if Charu dies. How could he dare to play with two girls' lives. If Charu ends up in Coma or dies, would Thulasi be happy. I hate TA more than Charu right now. Whole family except PA's family are such bloody cheap creatures. I wish TA jumps from somewhere too and goes to hell.'I will say it is too much if I have to say that TA played with the life of two women. I said earlier for Charu's acts, her dad is responsible. But for TA's acts, his mom is responsible. Who is there to guide him? His mom instead of guiding him, cheated him, T and C. When did she try to understand him? He was literally expecting his mom or sis to listen to him and understand him. But both were cruel to him and also played a cruel game with Charu also promising her the impossible and that too without any consience. In fact, the way TA became directionless indicates, he had no one to understand him. Charu only indulged him not understood him. Neither Thulasi is responsible if Charu dies or anything happens to Charu. What can poor Thulasi do if she is surrounded by peis? I will encourage her if she is able to accept at this point, for whatever has happened there is nothing wrong with her and she continues her studies.


@bold...Maha2us...TA is and will be the culprit here for the tortures Thulasi and Charu are going through now (in Charu's case if not directly). It would be lying if we don't agree that TA played with Thulasi's life mainly before marriage. He was engaged and hid it from her and allowed her to feel for him. I know he later on married her so that we don't really give any importance to that. If Thuls had known that he was engaged, the girl would have been spared lot of mental tortures. It is through TA, Thulasi indirectly became the reason for Charu's condition now.

I agree to some extent that GW is responsible for his acts like emo blackmailing. But he is an educated guy and sensible too to understand what it means to be committed in a relationship. He was not a little baby to be manipulated by his mom. When this bloody idiot has opened his mouth just once to GP or VR, these things would not have happened. Atleast then too Charu would have had these psychotic disturbances, but would not have gone to a level of suicide and now probably to coma. She deserves treatment, and not coma-condition for all her criminal acts.Even jail for few years would have been acceptable.

Let me ask you, what if Charu died in this suicide attempt and what if she never wakes up from coma. Has her life become so cheap. I am not making a U-Turn here all of a sudden, i really felt so bad when i saw the girl lying like a deadbody on the ground 😭. If i had known that we would have to see such a situaition, i would never had wished T&T to get married. Their marriage seems to be a cursed one, never should have happened! You won't know how i feel to write this down here being a crazy T&T-fan.

If TA is unaware of Charu's mental problem and Thulasi is aware of it, why didn't she warn him when she told him her plans to get Charu's intentions out. What was the great GP doing?

When all these from yesterday's episode was happening for real in the show, it does not make any sense more of TA acting 🤢😡
Edited by Gunz. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#85
Well looks like no one is against woman bashing here...
On another note, hopefully Thulasi doesn't do the typicall Mary Sue and say that Tamil does love Charu seeing that he went in the ambulance yadda yadda. On the other hand, hopefully she tells him that she loves him very much and her love is true. Recent events including his request for a divorce however has diminished her faith in his love for her. And so, they should take a break so that he can decide if he really loves her and wants to build a family with her. In the meantime she completes her education (pls take on a part-time job and stop being a sap) and becomes successfull but still being in love and waiting for Tamil.
On that note, I'm off. Don't condone this senseless women hitting in movies. Hated to see a seemlingly good guy beat a woman till she drops whilst other people, including her parents, wait around and watch. My feelings though are certainly not popular amongst fans so can see why Tamil movie/series producers keep doing this nonsensical story lines. Ah well... was good while it lasted.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@vishnu - we just accepted ta's slap thkg TA was doing all these to make C understand that he can never be hers. but if he was super true to his mom and had danced all the way those slaps shd be given by thulasi to him or atleast by pati and then let him keep begging to thulasi to come and live with him...he needs to live separately for sometime or even with his mom and sis and suffer their company for listening to them...i dont mean T shd never accept TA...i meant to say he needs to really feel sorry for all these and shd never ever go against her.
in case the ct's wanted to show like T saved TA from the C's trap i would say their idea is a super flop👎🏼...all we wanted is an understanding couple and by showing TA like this who tortured T more than anything all along i would say he is only a below average husbd who is no equal to puvi or i will even dare to say anand is a better husband than him...if this is what they meant as climax after two months of tortures... good.🤢...they failed totally...whatever promises TA makes to T hereon it is only like false promise a man does to make his wife happy...there was no meaning in them putting them as true couples in the wedding anniv episode...🤢
@gunz - i forgot to mention abt T not saying to TA about her health...what logic do they follow if she did not say then...if they just wanted to rush up things I bet they will lose the charm of the show soon...they need to keep up the promises of the characters...they totally messed up by the acts of ppl in the episode
Edited by shubba - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ Gunz and shubba,
I am sorry but I have a different take here...
Definitely TT are not to be blamed for pei's act of falling down yday..
in the first place pei has never exhibited tendencies of hurting herself or any suicidal tendencies in front of anyone... If she had then she cud have taken this step when she saw TT getting married itself...No, the doctor too never warned of that to periappa..he only has told that she def has wrong intentions on TA and wud go to any lenghts to get him. In fact i remember the doctor had told at one time that many people wud be affected...I dont remember a case of him telling abt pei harming herself (pls correct me if i am wrong) but only of harming T. That she had proved by going to strangle T.
Pei has herself told that there is nothing wrong even in a failed marriage..then how can she blame TA for a failed engagement...I am not going into TT marriage as that case has been discussed enough..but with respect to this, pei's parents were unwilling to believe pei's intentions and mental condition even when GP had told them..How are they to be made aware unless they hear it from pei and pei being very cunning in a psychotic way will never agree to a treatment of any kind because her mental condition is a result of not being denied anything or not losing out to anyone...The kind of drama she did and the pain she inflicted on TT (not just T, pls remember the mental tortures TA underwent because of the loans..he was no less tortured then..he cud not sleep even) and used TA. Imagine T's condition..she knows pei's true nature and that she is cheating on TA.. She has to bring it to light in the best possible manner...
T's agony is more at the thought that she is unable to expose pei's true nature than TA hurting her. TT have to show to her that TA is not for sale and not for pei surely..
even if pei had been exposed in some other way, once TA knows abt her he is not going to play her way..what wud she do then? At some point of time everyone is going to know about her...What wud have pei done then? she has very cleverly hidden her condition from everyone...till she knew that she is not going to get TA she was willing to go to any lengths as she told him herself...
She is bound to know that some time and her actions are totally her own making, TT can not be blamed at all in this case.
P.S. HOWEVER I DO WISH THAT THE CT HAD NOT SHOWN HER FALLING OFF AND RATHER I WISH THEY HAD SHOWN WHERE TA HAD VERBALLY ATTACKED HER FOR WHT SHE HAD DONE BASED ON WHT SHE REVEALED AND QUESTIONED HER SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG AND CORNERED HER, LEAVING HER WITHOUT AN ANSWER. IN fact i wud have rather that KP threatened her with going to police for wht they did to joseph and let her fall in her own pit.
Edited by vjayam - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#88

Good for producers and directors to keep things up as it is.. ratings up and by going by what is said here, everyone loves it. I've read all the posts here and majority are clapping in glee with the slap. So best I leave..

PS: Doctors can't say if someone will def commit suicide or not. They can give risk analysis and going by her behaviour, a reasonable person would look out for such tendencies.
Edited by Vishnu38 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: vjayam

@ Gunz and shubba,

I am sorry but I have a different take here...
Definitely TT are not to be blamed for pei's act of falling down yday..
in the first place pei has never exhibited tendencies of hurting herself or any suicidal tendencies in front of anyone... If she had then she cud have taken this step when she saw TT getting married itself...No, the doctor too never warned of that to periappa..he only has told that she def has wrong intentions on TA and wud go to any lenghts to get him. In fact i remember the doctor had told at one time that many people wud be affected...I dont remember a case of him telling abt pei harming herself (pls correct me if i am wrong) but only of harming T. That she had proved by going to strangle T.
Pei has herself told that there is nothing wrong even in a failed marriage..then how can she blame TA for a failed engagement...I am not going into TT marriage as that case has been discussed enough..but with respect to this, pei's parents were unwilling to believe pei's intentions and mental condition even when GP had told them..How are they to be made aware unless they hear it from pei and pei being very cunning in a psychotic way will never agree to a treatment of any kind because her mental condition is a result of not being denied anything or not losing out to anyone...The kind of drama she did and the pain she inflicted on TT (not just T, pls remember the mental tortures TA underwent because of the loans..he was no less tortured then..he cud not sleep even) and used TA. Imagine T's condition..she knows pei's true nature and that she is cheating on TA.. She has to bring it to light in the best possible manner...
T's agony is more at the thought that she is unable to expose pei's true nature than TA hurting her. TT have to show to her that TA is not for sale and not for pei surely..
even if pei had been exposed in some other way, once TA knows abt her he is not going to play her way..what wud she do then? At some point of time everyone is going to know about her...What wud have pei done then? she has very cleverly hidden her condition from everyone...till she knew that she is not going to get TA she was willing to go to any lengths as she told him herself...
She is bound to know that some time and her actions are totally her own making, TT can not be blamed at all in this case.



Valid Point jayashree...😉😛..She is mentally not alrite so whatever ppl advice nothing will go into her ears..Blamable char here is GW and SQ...If GW has adviced and warned her in the past things might be set rite...I agree pei is deeply attracted with TA..But how can a girl be blind before marriage when he is not at all showing any interest in her...Nevertheless she never allowed him to talk whenever he try to say about his love towards thulz..Even now when she comes alive what can TA do...Charu has wasted her precious blood by jumping...We must think before taking any decision..Still i just cant understand what is in Ta mind i mean his reaction to charu was so harsh and something is mystery here
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@shubba, agree 100% with all you have listed. yes, TA's sudden decision to go with T's plan is questionable. edhO indha sceneku prelude maadhiri irukku with no logic. and most of C's actions could be blamed on GW, Lavanya and VR, not to mention TA. guilt feelings or not, he had no right to ditch a girl and remain on platonic terms with her, to an extent to disregard his wife's feelings. and VR, especially, knowing well ahead that she is imbalanced and having witnessed her obsession with TA (album and acting in front of the mirror, bashing T), he took no steps then and calmly let her go. he shd have taken firm steps to expose her then and there and get her the medical treatment necessary. nevertheless, the serial directors and producers have succeeded in garnering this much attention. that is good for them.

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