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Posted: 14 years ago
#31
i will always choose you!
it was cute but now its just becoming choosy with everyone saying ..
i still like his i love you scene better
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Posted: 14 years ago
#32
I loved the "I love You scene too 😆... Don't think anything could top that 🤣...
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Posted: 14 years ago
#33
The episode was alright. It was hyped too much, so that put a damper on things.

Bonnie is fabulous, wonderful,HBIC, flawless, loyal, fierce and adorable. I love her so. She makes me love her more in every episode.

I loved loved the subtle role of Stefan in this episode. Looking out for/protecting Elena's loved ones (Jeremy,Caroline,Bonnie) because he understands that there is no Elena without these supposed 'collateral damages'. That she would rather die than lose these people. She doesn't want to be saved and 'kept alive', she wants to save her loved ones. And Stefan loves her with that baggage of hers.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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K, so finally coherent thoughts on the epi. Jaan covered everything about the D/E scenes for me, so I'll talk about the rest of it.

How awesome is Matt Davis is Klausaric ? I <3 Matt Davis, and I wanted him to have a storyline for so long. And boy, did he rock it when he got it !! Alaric, I love you. Nuff said.

As for the other Matt, honestly, I hate him for what he's doing to Caroline, who I adore so much. So I'll just wait for Tyler to show up and show 'im. 😆

Bonnie and Jeremy are ADORABLE together, and I love Jer from the bottom of my heart. (Why did he promote that internet thingie for ages tho' ? 😆) Bonnie was great in the episode, I love how she's fully accepted her powers and is so comfortable with her destiny, her fate, and her desire to protect Elena.

But Damon stole the show for me. I loved Stefan and Damon, in both scenes they had together. Their first scene outside the house when they were talking about Katherine is the last we'll see them as brothers for a very long time. What they had their may not be a shared sense of grief, but shared history, shared loss definitely. Coz Katherine, no matter who she was, what she was, was a huge part of their lives.

"Don't get me wrong Stefan, I don't mind being the bad guy. I'll make all the life and death decisions, while you're busy worrying about collateral damage. I'll even let her hate me for it, but at the end of the day, I'll be the one to keep her alive."


Damon got such hate for this scene, but when isn't he hated ? People never, ever look beyond the surface with him. The words in no way mean that Stefan doesn't do enough for Elena or that he wouldn't die for her. Everyone knows that Stefan would do anything in his power for Elena, its just that because he thinks so much about other people, he may struggle a lot while doing it. And those few moments may cost Elena her life. And just like Stefan shouldn't be condemned for his humanity, he's struggled so long and so hard for it, Damon doesn't deserve all the hate he's getting too.

This line doesn't mean that he's randomly going to go on a killing rampage to save Elena. Like he said to Elena, that while he hopes there are other ways, if push came to shove, he knows what his choice is going to be. And wouldn't Stefan make exactly the same choice ? If it came to choosing between Bonnie and Elena, wouldn't he choose Elena ? Of course he would.

Damon protected Bonnie yesterday, he even asked her if there was a way to improve her odds. Its not like he'll kill everyone in his path to save Elena. But in the end, he would make the same choice as Stefan would, but he would make it with greater ruthlessness as he believes he has no good left in him at all.

Damon just wants her safe and because he loves her, he'll do whatever it takes even if that means being the worst version of himself instead of the better man that she's wants him to be. While Stefan has fought for his humanity for so long, that he would have to struggle with that choice a lot more.

That's the thing about Damon-everybody only sees the surface, and automatically assumes the worst. Except for Elena. Just like Damon wouldn't let Elena sacrifice herself, Elena wouldn't let the ones she loves die for her. But she understood and accepted what he meant when he conveyed his choice to her. Which is why I love them so much.

Its not about who wants to protect Elena physically and who wants to protect her from the inside. Both of them want the same thing-protect the woman they love. Its just that they both have completely different ways of going about it, and neither should be condemned for the choices they make.


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Posted: 14 years ago
#35
sensationall epii itt was dudee!! i livdd d scene in whichh bonnie diess!!! hatss off to herr! she was awesumm!! <3 her
n damonn my my he was the man off d epii!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
#36
I loved the episode and it has to do sth with my book love.

I love Damon in the episode, he was at his best, I was missing book Damon, I love Damon in show but I can't tell you how much I love him in books, LJ's best character and last night I saw glimpse of book Damon, Smart , womanizer , selfish..which suits him.

Bonnie was great in last episode but I'm such in a Damon high now, I will only talk about him now.I was being pissed off by writers, the way they were making the show but last night Damon was doing the same thing which will Damon do in books, you know Damon always chase after Elena and he thinks only for Elena and Bonnie in books, last night Didn't he do the same? His concept is different from Stefan, I didn't like when writers in S1 last andS2 wanted to make Damon and Stefan as alike but now he had told Stefan again that his concept is different.Like LJ. said Stefan's love is selfless for Elena and Damon's love is selfish for Elena , last night Damon's comment about Collateral damage just made it that way.When Damon was chasing Katherine, he forgot everything but Katherine, now the same thing is happening with Elena.Damon is just that way.I love Damon as selfish and dark way, not emo way and last night Damon's act slightly reminds me of book Damon.


Now my favorite Bamon part:

Damon Salvatore has big mouth , lol.....but when it comes to action he would always save Bonnie, For Bonnie his act is always selfless...even in last night episode, Damon saved Bonnie,.Damon was even concerned at first for Bonnie when talking to Stefan and he has once even talked to Bonnie about his safety in dancing part...and my shippers heart got excited.I love Damon/Bonnie so much in books that when I found some of my book Bamon last night.


Forgot to add, I'm highly excited for Klaus, Klaus is coming.😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
#37
I was gonna try to reply to AppleBlossom's post. But then Aditi came and was all BAMF. So basically.
I love you Aditi. That is all.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: AppleBlossom

The episode was alright. It was hyped too much, so that put a damper on things.

Agreed! I don't visit other TVD websites/forums or whatever .. saw a few tweets on twitter about how this episode is one you should NOT miss and it got me all excited.
Good episode overall. I totally fell for the whole Bonnie's dead thing Damon planned .. but the whole time I was like .. how .. why would they kill her. I'm not in love with Bonnie or anything but I'm glad she's not dead.
ugh I HATE Matt for deceiving Caroline like that ... and now her moms acting all funny around her .. it's sad.
The Klaus bits are great, I wonder how long it'll take them to find out that Alaric isn't really himself.
I have a love/hate relationship with Damon (mostly love) and I hate some of his heinous acts (e.g. not caring bout collateral damage) .. but he's always doing it to protect Elena and it's so sad knowing that she'll never be with him (not that I mind) but .. ahh.. just so hard to explain.
How many more episodes until the finale?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I read this post earlier and didn't care for it because it is your opinion. I don't have to agree with it. But, it was supposedly in reply to me. So here goes.


Damon got such hate for this scene, but when isn't he hated ? People never, ever look beyond the surface with him.

I don't want to be rude but saying that people dislike Damon because they don't understand him is a cop-out. I get him, I still don't like him.


The words in no way mean that Stefan doesn't do enough for Elena or that he wouldn't die for her. Everyone knows that Stefan would do anything in his power for Elena, its just that because he thinks so much about other people, he may struggle a lot while doing it. And those few moments may cost Elena her life. And just like Stefan shouldn't be condemned for his humanity, he's struggled so long and so hard for it, Damon doesn't deserve all the hate he's getting too.


Yes, they did. He was implying that Stefan isn't doing enough to save Elena. He was implying that the fact that Stefan doesn't want to put Elena through pain and that the loss of human life/ Elena's loved ones matters to him is a flaw. He was condemning Stefan for his humanity.

Like he said to Elena, that while he hopes there are other ways, if push came to shove, he knows what his choice is going to be. And wouldn't Stefan make exactly the same choice ? If it came to choosing between Bonnie and Elena, wouldn't he choose Elena ? Of course he would.

No, Stefan won't. He would find a way to save them both. Stefan knows there is no Elena without Bonnie. To tell the love of your life that you'll let her BFF (the BFF she mourned the very same day) die for her is creepy. It really highlighted how much Damon doesn't understand Elena. How he doesn't get that she wouldn't even be able to live with herself if Bonnie died for her. It's like he doesn't even see her as a thinking feeling person.

Just like Damon wouldn't let Elena sacrifice herself, Elena wouldn't let the ones she loves die for her.

But in her struggle to stop her loved ones from sacrificing themselves for her, she wouldn't put another innocent's life on the line. Which was what Damon meant when he said that he would let Bonnie die for her.

But she understood and accepted what he meant when he conveyed his choice to her.

She understands him, she accepts him. He is a part of her life. She can't/doesn't want to change that. But that does not mean she likes it. It does not mean that Damon's words reassured her of anything. Her expression was more of a 'oh you'. Immediately after Damon made his speech, Elena went and freed Elijah to save Bonnie. Damon's Elena-centered plans don't really instill confidence in her. Because unlike Damon, Elena doesn't consider the loss of her loved ones and their pain just 'collateral damage'. Just like Stefan doesn't.


Its not about who wants to protect Elena physically and who wants to protect her from the inside.

You hit the nail on the head with this one. Damon wants Elena's existence. It doesn't matter if she has to go through intense pain to make it happen (mourning Bonnie). It doesn't matter if her loved ones have to die for it. Stefan wants to save Elena's essence. Her pain and suffering are not battlefield wounds for him. It matters as much as her existence. & Stefan would never gladly let Bonnie die.


I don't want to fight or even debate,tbh. But, I don't like being told that my opinion is wrong because I am not getting the characters or because I am interpreting the scenes incorrectly.
You see the show and perceive the characters the way you want to, I do the same. So, telling me how you interpreted those scenes as a way to change my mind on them was unnecessary. I still stand corrected on my perception of the show and I am sure as you'll read through this post, the same will apply for you. Peace out.
Edited by AppleBlossom - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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What makes you think that my post was a reply to you ? If you read through my post carefully, you'll observe that I gave my review of the entire episode, minus the D/E scenes. You chose to read through my post and decided that its directed towards . Your problem, not mine. I believe I specifically mentioned my friend Jaan in my post. Are you called Jaan ? No ? Then peace out. :)

Oh, and Jaan, I <3 you too. 😆 😆
Edited by StarshineHues - 14 years ago

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