Is Romance The Only Contributor To A Show's Popularity?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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First things first, I'm going to be honest and tell that I am not a regular viewer of this show, but I do catch a scene or two every now and then since the show aired while changing channels or when I am procrastinating. This is my first post in a very long time on any forum, and what drove me to write it is my complete and utter frustration over some aspects of this show and Indian shows in general. While this is in no way a bashing post, I may vent a little bit.

Recently I have started watching more of Swaragini, and since this is an Indian daily soap, watching 2-3 episodes basically gives you the gist of the entire show. At least to me it does. It's not hard to guess a story when it gets dragged for weeks on end. My main issue with this show and basically every other Indian show these days is it's regressive approach towards women and their negative stereotyping.

I remember the old days when the Indian Television Industry came up with some very interesting and refreshing shows that people remember to this day. Before Ekta Kapoor basically destroyed all sense and rhyme with her Killer K shows. Since the past few years, almost every show that I have had the misfortune to comes across and starts with so much promise ends up getting on the same track as all the other shows on other channels.

Excess of negative female characters - Check
Useless side characters - Check
Similar romantic scenes and story lines - Check
Wasted potential story lines - Double Check
Pointless melodrama - Check
Never ending family politics - Check
Male characters being used more like brainless mannequins than being useful to the story - Check
Women acting like doormats in the name of goodness - Infinity Check
All around negativity in a show - All the checks in the world would be less for this one

No matter how a show starts, sooner or later there comes a time when these factors come into play in each one of them. It disappoints and frustrates me to no end to see how women are being portrayed either only as doormats or complete bitches. There's no balance. But Swaragini took it one step further by trying to portray a delusional psychopath as a misjudged victim of her desires and not the immoral, malevolent and depraved criminal that she is. Every time Ragini comes on screen, I have this strong urge to go to the makers of this show and shake some sense into them to stop depicting her character as if what she has done is no big deal and show her for the complete and utter bitch she is. The background music during her scenes basically speaks "victim" . I don't know if others feel that way but that's what the music and songs during her scenes make me feel. And her constant crying and preaching that she's not wrong but is being made to act this way for her love. Give me a break. Nobody has a gun to her head. If she doesn't want to be bad, as she says herself, then don't be bad, simple. But a girl who can readily send her mother to jail for a crime she didn't commit just for the success of her plan to ultimately seduce her husband into bed with her is as evil as anybody can get. I mean, that's basically what all this is about for her isn't it? To sleep with Laskhya as his rightful (yeah right) wife?

And Lakshya. I don't even know how to put his stupidity into words. Ever since the beginning, Lakshya has seemed like the most weak character to me on this show. I know there were and probably still are many Lakshya-Swara supporters, but honestly, I never saw their appeal. For me, these two never worked. I was actually glad to see them separated because Laskhya is basically a spineless character and I wouldn't want to put any girl through being with him forever. I remember when he was supposed to be getting engaged to Ragini while he actually loved Swara, even then he didn't have the courage to speak up for himself. He just kept mum till it was too late. And when he and Swara finally did get together and he claimed to love her, he was the first person to fall for Ragini's lies and declare Swara as the culprit. Is that how people in love act like? The way he just jumped the Ragini-Is-Pure-As-Ganges bandwagon makes me feel as if he is too dense to even know what love means. As if not believing her wasn't enough of a slap to Swara's love. He treats her like shit half the time. humiliates her, and calls her a liar and manipulator every chance he gets. It's like he's a robot and is programmed to the "Ragini is right" settings by default.

I don't know the full story surrounding Sanskar and why he acted abnormal in the beginning of the show. What I've gathered is that he loved someone and Laskhya did something that caused him to lose his girlfriend and he was doing all that to take revenge. Anyway, as far as I have seen him, he seems like the only character on this show who has a spine and stands up and fights for what he feels is right and also has the courage to admit when he's wrong. The rest of the characters, oh dear God, they are the most simpleminded bunch of people I have ever seen. They are not contributing anything at all to the story except boring me to death. Their usefulness is limited till giving unwanted inputs over issues that don't concern them.

And Swara. She has disappointed me the most. Her character and revenge agenda had so much promise, but the writers just don't seem to know what to do with it. What is even the point of the whole fake marriage angle? This story line is so vastly recycled in basically every show and there was so much the makers could have achieved by introducing this to Swaragini but they have spectacularly failed. Ragini basically proved her to be a characterless drug addict and tried to kill her and all we hear her talking about is getting her parents back together. Where did all her claims of getting even with Ragini and exposing her lies in front of everyone go? Where is her master plan she discussed with her grandmother? Frankly, her claims of being courageous and knowing what she's doing make me laugh now. She has no plan at all. Her fake wedding to Sanskar is serving no purpose except showing she has chemistry with him. Her so called sister is a killer, and instead of doing the right thing and exposing that psychopath, she keeps getting all soft and mushy over her. In what world is anyone THAT good?

What I'm trying to say through this post is that am I the only one who feels this way or are there others out there who do too? If so, why do we still watch these shows? Is it because of the good looking male leads and their chemistry with the female leads? Does romance in a show help ignore all it's flaws? Are viewers actually okay with seeing such regressive story lines and weak women as long as they get a good love story to go with it? Doesn't the excessive and unwanted negativity in these shows put you off? Can romance alone sail the ship of an entire show? Because as much as I enjoy a good romance like every other person, it really puts me off if the supporting story lines and plots have nothing to offer. After a few weeks of watching the same romance repeatedly, I stop watching a show altogether. Especially when the female leads are so dense and act all noble when they are basically the biggest fools and are tolerable as long as they provide a cute scene with the male lead.

It's sad to see that in recent years, some very good shows with potential got axed due to not generating enough TRPs before they even properly began. Whereas Ekta type shows which are showing the same old recycled story lines with different faces go on for years on end and people actually like watching them. Unfortunately, Swaragini falls in the same category. But judging by the TRPs I guess people are okay with the way the show has been shaping up. I would have liked to think that time has changed and people and societies are progressing. But, I guess it's different with the TRP audience and those we come across on such forums, because since I became a member of India Forums, I have across some very delightful and strong minded viewers who understand the frustration behind these daily soap stereotypes and want to see a change in the dynamics of the television industry.

Avid watchers and fans of the show, I apologize if my post offended you. Please know that it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to share my views and know the opinions of others around here. I am in no way bashing Swaragini. I watch this show every now and then too. I am merely stating some of my observations regarding my issue with the lack of a concrete story line. Even though I enjoy watching Sanskar and Swara's scenes together, that alone is not going to keep me hooked to the show for very long.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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thanks for the wonderful post. the fact is TRPs are the most important thing for a channel if they wont earn the channel cant succeed or run for years. and the other fact is most of the audience do like saas bahu crap and the yr the main TRP providers
About the ptryal of women i so agree with you. i dont know why they have to show women Mahaanta ki Maata in every serial. why for once cant they show a strong female lead. Media has huge impact on young generation but this is what TV has to offer to them. really sad
About romance i dont think its the only contirbutor but kitchen politic. Romance is only important in the beginning of the serial when the couple gets married then alll type of crap starts from dayaan to nagin 😆 to Vampire and bhooth 😆 and what not...
And you are right some really nice shows get axed because they get low TRPs sadly. e.g Badtameez Dil
one more thing to add when one show starts and they show a couple they never end up together
history utha ke dekh lo😆 lead gets married to the different person and then after getting marriage the romance starts and then after 300 episodes they consummate their marriage 😆 not real at all but thiis is what get them TRPs
btw i dont watch swaragini and dont know much about story but i am really liking the sanskar dude. and his scenes with swara but i am 100 % sure i wont watch the show till end😉😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I agree with u 100%. So true.
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Originally posted by: iqbalslover

thanks for the wonderful post. the fact is TRPs are the most important thing for a channel if they wont earn the channel cant succeed or run for years. and the other fact is most of the audience do like saas bahu crap and the yr the main TRP providers

About the ptryal of women i so agree with you. i dont know why they have to show women Mahaanta ki Maata in every serial. why for once cant they show a strong female lead. Media has huge impact on young generation but this is what TV has to offer to them. really sad
About romance i dont think its the only contirbutor but kitchen politic. Romance is only important in the beginning of the serial when the couple gets married then alll type of crap starts from dayaan to nagin 😆 to Vampire and bhooth 😆 and what not...
And you are right some really nice shows get axed because they get low TRPs sadly. e.g Badtameez Dil
one more thing to add when one show starts and they show a couple they never end up together
history utha ke dekh lo😆 lead gets married to the different person and then after getting marriage the romance starts and then after 300 episodes they consummate their marriage 😆 not real at all but thiis is what get them TRPs
btw i dont watch swaragini and dont know much about story but i am really liking the sanskar dude. and his scenes with swara but i am 100 % sure i wont watch the show till end😉😆



But that is exactly my point. WHY is it that the TRP audience prefers to watch such regressive portrayals of women surrounded by so much negativity. What is so interesting about this? Doesn't it bother them after a while? Excess of everything is bad. I fail to understand how people can possibly enjoy watching such mind numbing kitchen politics on a daily basis for years. Aren't we supposed to be progressing with time? I understand that TRPs help a Channel earn, but I don't understand why shows worth getting TRPs fail to garner them. That's what I'm trying to say.

Omg I know. I heard about the daayan thing in today's episode and I was like W*F is going on this world . And people actually like such tracks *facepalm* . What is becoming of this world?

You're so right. I am yet to see a show where the original couple makes it through to the end of the show without getting married to other people 😆 . I guess it's a good thing I hardly ever like the original couple to begin with 😉

Me too. I give myself a month, after that, I'm pretty sure this show is going to bite the dust for me too 😛
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sherbet

I agree with u 100%. So true.



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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: fia21



But that is exactly my point. WHY is it that the TRP audience prefers to watch such regressive portrayals of women surrounded by so much negativity. What is so interesting about this? Doesn't it bother them after a while? Excess of everything is bad. I fail to understand how people can possibly enjoy watching such mind numbing kitchen politics on a daily basis for years. Aren't we supposed to be progressing with time? I understand that TRPs help a Channel earn, but I don't understand why shows worth getting TRPs fail to garner them. That's what I'm trying to say.

Omg I know. I heard about the daayan thing in today's episode and I was like W*F is going on this world . And people actually like such tracks *facepalm* . What is becoming of this world?

You're so right. I am yet to see a show where the original couple makes it through to the end of the show without getting married to other people 😆 . I guess it's a good thing I hardly ever like the original couple to begin with 😉

Me too. I give myself a month, after that, I'm pretty sure this show is going to bite the dust for me too 😛

i think soaps and serials are mostly watched by women and the aunties like to watch these Shows on Tv thats why high TRP. and the good serials with a strong lead character arent so popular with them😆 and i think the good fresh stories dont get good TRPS because the young People r forced to watch what elders are watching means saas bahu Sagas😆😉 thats what i can think of😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I loved your analysis of indian daily shows in general- totally true and remind me of countless discussions I've had with my best friend about this. My viewing story with Swaragini sounds extremely similar to yours. I wasn't really watching anything for ages- have been watching a lot of Pakistani shows as they genuinely do things differently:
A script is set from the beginning, each story (more or less) has a coherent structure and follows it. For us, TRPs are the bane of creating a cohesive drama. A track is introduced and if audiences like it, it is eked out ad nauseam, it then drags so much it gets boring, then finally when TRPs drop, they change it for the entire process to repeat. There is no adherence to a set story, hence logic is often in short supply and we see this no better than when characterisation goes to pot.

Then there is the reliance on unnecessary drama- prime example- i have never understood in a dramatic scene why they need to individually show the shocked faces of each person in turn even when they are stood together?! 😆

Then the stereotyping- good girls are the rage, they have to wear certain things, behave a certain way etc and vamps are all western clothed "modern" girls.

The romance- well i am in two minds about this. On one hand yes it is annoying when each show pretty much has the same ingredients but what i get often interested by is the spark some couples manage to create.

Such is my story with Swaragini. It does have flaws but i never watched the previous stuff as I too found SwarYa a couple that made no sense to me. I never liked Lakshya, thought he was a spoilt rich boy with no real depth and that pair seemed odd to me. I always liked (i was peripherally aware of the general plot whilst channel switching) the Sanskaar angle- a grey character always interests me and I liked that angle but i only started watching once he realised his mistakes and took a change for the better.

I personally like how they've couple swapped and changed things, I also like how they show the hypocrisy with the so called sanskaari, all decent looking Ragini being the evil one. I know she didn't start off that way but i like that they showed her negative (although i cannot seriously stand her now and i have to forward her parts as its too much melodrama for me and i want to slap her and everyone else who believes her 🤢).

However, i love SwaSan- this couple has great screen presence and I like the currently shown dynamic of their relationship. I really think Varun Kapoor's acting is ace and I think Helly is really good to. Will i watch if the show descends into stupidity? No- I never do but for now, I am able to suspend disbelief (once you watch these shows you get the gist of the myriad mistakes etc) and watch for the bits I like:)

It would be so amazing to have a truly different show that actually does well in ratings and popularity.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: tootiefrootie11

I loved your analysis of indian daily shows in general- totally true and remind me of countless discussions I've had with my best friend about this. My viewing story with Swaragini sounds extremely similar to yours. I wasn't really watching anything for ages- have been watching a lot of Pakistani shows as they genuinely do things differently:

A script is set from the beginning, each story (more or less) has a coherent structure and follows it. For us, TRPs are the bane of creating a cohesive drama. A track is introduced and if audiences like it, it is eked out ad nauseam, it then drags so much it gets boring, then finally when TRPs drop, they change it for the entire process to repeat. There is no adherence to a set story, hence logic is often in short supply and we see this no better than when characterisation goes to pot.

i agree with that,
Pakistanis Serials are so much better because they have a script and they follow it, in fact the whole serial is made and then after it has been finished it gets telecasted on TV. It means no one can change the story later on. And the serial ends when it should, without any dragging
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Originally posted by: iqbalslover

i agree with that,

Pakistanis Serials are so much better because they have a script and they follow it, in fact the whole serial is made and then after it has been finished it gets telecasted on TV. It means no one can change the story later on. And the serial dnds when it should, without any dragging


I'm glad you got the point i was making- i was a bit worried i hadn't put that well. Exactly- see they don't have to show OTT unnecessary scenes, they finish the whole thing between 20-27 episodes and I'm not saying we need to do that, if you have enough story, run for 500 epis even but when theres no story so they show the kids, the neighbours, the uncles and dogs and cats- what is the point?!
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Originally posted by: tootiefrootie11

I loved your analysis of indian daily shows in general- totally true and remind me of countless discussions I've had with my best friend about this. My viewing story with Swaragini sounds extremely similar to yours. I wasn't really watching anything for ages- have been watching a lot of Pakistani shows as they genuinely do things differently:

A script is set from the beginning, each story (more or less) has a coherent structure and follows it. For us, TRPs are the bane of creating a cohesive drama. A track is introduced and if audiences like it, it is eked out ad nauseam, it then drags so much it gets boring, then finally when TRPs drop, they change it for the entire process to repeat. There is no adherence to a set story, hence logic is often in short supply and we see this no better than when characterisation goes to pot.

Then there is the reliance on unnecessary drama- prime example- i have never understood in a dramatic scene why they need to individually show the shocked faces of each person in turn even when they are stood together?! 😆

Then the stereotyping- good girls are the rage, they have to wear certain things, behave a certain way etc and vamps are all western clothed "modern" girls.

The romance- well i am in two minds about this. On one hand yes it is annoying when each show pretty much has the same ingredients but what i get often interested by is the spark some couples manage to create.

Such is my story with Swaragini. It does have flaws but i never watched the previous stuff as I too found SwarYa a couple that made no sense to me. I never liked Lakshya, thought he was a spoilt rich boy with no real depth and that pair seemed odd to me. I always liked (i was peripherally aware of the general plot whilst channel switching) the Sanskaar angle- a grey character always interests me and I liked that angle but i only started watching once he realised his mistakes and took a change for the better.

I personally like how they've couple swapped and changed things, I also like how they show the hypocrisy with the so called sanskaari, all decent looking Ragini being the evil one. I know she didn't start off that way but i like that they showed her negative (although i cannot seriously stand her now and i have to forward her parts as its too much melodrama for me and i want to slap her and everyone else who believes her 🤢).

However, i love SwaSan- this couple has great screen presence and I like the currently shown dynamic of their relationship. I really think Varun Kapoor's acting is ace and I think Helly is really good to. Will i watch if the show descends into stupidity? No- I never do but for now, I am able to suspend disbelief (once you watch these shows you get the gist of the myriad mistakes etc) and watch for the bits I like:)

It would be so amazing to have a truly different show that actually does well in ratings and popularity.



Pakistani shows are quite sensible in terms of their stories which makes it so much more enjoyable to watch. Not to mention they shoot fixed episodes and the entire plot gets covered without having to drag it. I used to watch a lot of TV before but since a few years I hardly find the time to follow any show regularly. Swaragini just sort of happened to me .

Your take on the show is so similar to mine, I feel as if I'm talking to myself 😆

@Bold: OMG seriously I keep wondering the same thing. Why must they waste time on mundane things like expressions of non-existent characters really boggles me.

I agree with you on basically everything. You've penned out your opinions and thoughts perfectly and that's exactly how I feel. Yes the instant spark with some characters is what initially draws us to a show, but sooner or later that spark will burn out. Then what is left of a story? I am yet to come across a show that has kept me hooked till the end after the initial romance dies out. Sadly, that hasn't happened.

Couple swapping was possibly the best thing they could have done with this show. Laskhya and Swara had no chemistry at all. Like you even I had the general idea in my periphery that Sanskar might get redeemed and end up with Swara somehow. It was a happy surprise for me when that actually happened.

Now if only the show could provide me with some much need relief of doing something incredibly bad and well deserved to Ragini. Now that would just make my day. I am so sick and bored of watching negative characters getting away with anything and everything they do.

Just came across your post by the way. Bang on 👍🏼

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