Season 5 Episode 5 - Toe to Toe - Page 2

Originally posted by: blacklambo

The very fact that Tanner appeared in the dream with Donna was a giveaway that it was Harvey's subconscious playing tricks on him. It raises the question, who exactly was Harvey's mom involved with? Was it his dad's enemy? If Harvey is seeing Donna's move as betrayal, he also seems to be protecting her by not giving her name in the earlier session.

On one hand, Harvey is looking to immerse himself in work so that it affords him a distraction from the panic attacks. But ironically, his subconscious is rearing its ugly head at work. So, Paula makes Harvey talk about his work instead.

HS:...there are some things you just don't do

PA: Like lie

HS: Like threaten to rip a man's family apart

PA: Mmm

HS: What?

PA: I just find it interesting that you talk about family as if it was sacred, yet you've never married. You've never had a family of your own.

And as she concludes, "maybe because getting angry with someone is a way to avoid facing what's going on with yourself". Full points to Harvey for his listening skills. He backed down as soon as Tanner removed himself from the case.

Not only full points to Dr. Agard here, but also in the poker playing scene. A smart move on her part to let Harvey win purposely and loosen him up to get talking about his personal life. His hesitation before mentioning Donna's name was quite noticeable as was leaving the sentence incomplete about second chances. Have a feeling Harvey must have been about to say, "my mother".

PA: Your dream was a representation of unresolved issue.

HS: The only unresolved issue is I opened up & you're turning on me.

PA: Harvey, bringing up your mother is not turning on you.

HS: You have no idea what bringing up my mother is to me!

PA: No, I don't. That's the whole point of what we're doing here.

It sure is getting intense from this point on. Is the cheating/betrayal he feels just for himself as a son coupled with loss of family or he is feeling the betrayal for his Dad too? What was his relationship with Dad after the incident? There is more to come.

Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter

@Blacklambo I am certain that Harvey was going to say "my mother" when asked about the second chance. I found an interesting comment on Suits' FB page saying it feels like we may see Harvey's mother in this season. well it was just a fan's assumption but I believe it will be interesting.

I too felt there should be at least one Donna & Mike scene. We got it even in the first half of 4th season when the whole Harvey VS Mike was going on. Moreover, I didn't like that he disclosed the panic attack thing to Rachel. That's so not Mike.

Mudding is kind of a spa treatment that only Louis endorses & likes very much. I think it was shown in s1 when he took Mike mudding with him.

Originally posted by: realitybites

Thanks blacklambo for the link and explaining mudding. Yeah I recollect now from the pics you posted, Louis &MIke doing it. Is Louis nuts? that he wants to do it with Donna then Jessica and then Rachel😆😆😆 I believe it was clear there will be separate tubs😉😆 Good Katrina wasnt there or else she would have to go😆

Next week does seem power packed. I never liked the therapist so if she under fire, its great😛😆 Harvey-Mike together on case, great.

Mike telling Rach is to create sympathy and of course she is going to tell Donna😆

Harvey, not committing is natural since he does not love her. He trusts her, likes her but not beyond that. Donna demanding committed is unfair and pressurizing. Lets see how the story goes forward.

Originally posted by: -BolNaHalke-

I cant wait till we fnd out of harvey loves donna or not. It can go eithet way. Ur convinced he doesnt. Im convinced he does. Now its a battle of whose right! 😆 i will say im so confidant harvey loves her. He even said he does. So theres no question of whether he does or doesnt. Its just left to see HOW he loves her. Does he love her romantically or just as a friend who has become his family.

Lets see!

😉

Originally posted by: blacklambo

Am in agreement with ur take on Harvey's dream.

Somehow, don't mind CC as Dr. Agard coz her character stays on the outside & does not assume personal significance as others do. So far, Harvey & her are one on one but in the confines of her office. But things are bound to change given the promo of next episode.

Wrt Mike's new hairstyle, u r part of the majority. I believe it is a lot like Harvey's old one in a prior season. If I am not mistaken, Patrick admitted to getting the hairstyle for this same reason.

I agree too much is left unsaid at this point wrt Donna. She might not be aware of Harvey's panic attacks or his visits to Dr. Agard's but her silence on the compensation issue leaves a huge hole in storytelling. Mike saw Harvey have a panic attack & yet has done nothing. He is usually shown way more smarter than this. There hasn't been one scene where he is shown to discuss events with Donna. Considering Donna had reached out to him last season, his silence doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by: realitybites

Thanks blacklambo for the link and explaining mudding. Yeah I recollect now from the pics you posted, Louis &MIke doing it. Is Louis nuts? that he wants to do it with Donna then Jessica and then Rachel😆😆😆 I believe it was clear there will be separate tubs😉😆 Good Katrina wasnt there or else she would have to go😆

Next week does seem power packed. I never liked the therapist so if she under fire, its great😛😆 Harvey-Mike together on case, great.

Mike telling Rach is to create sympathy and of course she is going to tell Donna😆

Harvey, not committing is natural since he does not love her. He trusts her, likes her but not beyond that. Donna demanding committed is unfair and pressurizing. Lets see how the story goes forward.

Originally posted by: SoreThumb

I seem to be on page with reality bites..the psychiatrist annoys me.

I haven't seen the promo for next episode yet.so will get back to u with regards to that

They really need to show Donnas sides if thing...5 episodes and nothing of significance.she is a glorified nanny for loius as of now..which is why Louis Donna will never even come close to Harvey Donna..Louis is her boss but its her who guides him.not an equal relationship

I can give Mike free pass in terms of him thinking Harvey is getting treatment from a psychiatrist..but only just..I am not sure if its his place to tell Donna abt the panic attacks...esp given the way things stand between Harvey and Donna..butyes if things go out of hand he should

I am now t even sure if he should have told Rachael. Yes he is engaged to her but this was not his secret to tell

Btw think the psychiatrist lost on purpose.I think Harvey genuinely defeated her

@realitybites:I agree with almost everything u mentioned in our review

I think the biggest reason Donna irks me right now is because there is no clarification wrt her feelings..its like she is fine.as if her leaving Harvey wasno big deal..she comes across as unfeeling when the other party is feeling so much