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nehlove thumbnail
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Posted: 16 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: DramaholicVibes

Hey Guys!

Firstly I'd like to thank you all for giving input on the way you feel the Dev Team Moderates. As some of the quotes are related to the section I viewbie, I'll be here to answer any questions/queries you guys have.

I'd just like to say, The Development Team is at all not biased towards anyone. Nor do we believe to be God Like or Blinded with our Powers.

The biggest power is in your hands, which is the power of freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech has never been comprised by the development team. There are a few members here who may feel that the DT has never let them speak their mind, but everyone is aware that this thread is kept open to hear your views.

At this point I'd just like to say assaulting anyone verbally is not at all a nice thing. There have been members who are openly swearing out at the Development Team & to other members. Do you think such behaviour should be allowed?

I'll be checking this thread, to know your feedback after my reply. If you want to raise any issues please do so after my reply. Thanks. 😳

First of all.. thank you for bothering to reply unlike some other moderators who haven't cared at all (exception Mango and Dark Love)
@blue- I am not sure if you have gone through the entire thread but there were MANY MANY questions regarding the moderating ability of your particular section and I feel none of them were addressed in your reply post.
@red- Please check out mjhtac and Gossip Girl's posts in some of the pages preceeding this one and you will see examples of how one particular member repeatedly comes and deliberately "picks" out parts from the topic starter's post to argue with unnecessarily and also "advises" on how we should be acting. When we reply back to her posts... the topic gets warned and closed... And in that case the "freedom of speech" in the sense is taken away from the person who started the post with a topic in mind.
@purple- I don't know who has been swearing at the DT... but ofcourse it shouldn't be allowed. At the same time DT should keep in mind that they should respect the members as well. If at any point it sounds like the Mods are using a God like tone and trying to impose authority be asking people to shut up then they should be ready for a similar treatment as well from the members.
Edited by nehlove - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#92
@ DB: I, myself have seen threads closed unnecessarily...just because one member chooses to instigate another through personal attacks, does not mean that we should end the fight by warnings and closing the thread. Everyone wants closure, not just a "back off". We, as a development team, should look into the issue and swerve the discussion, as you and I discussed in another thread yesterday.

Through the course of this thread, I've read the several POV's provided and realized that the only way to know why these members are upset is to put yourself in their shoes and then read the warnings and such.

Trust me, then, the perspective takes a risky U-turn, but it leads us to a smooth road instead of the one we tread on now.

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And yes, members get rude too, there's several verbal assaults and indirect bashing, but it's hardly ever base-less.

But I guess the real target is US, for, we as the moderators must set an example for the rest, and by particularly targeting specific members publicly, we aren't helping the image. This is what has instigated the anger within several present in this thread.

Once again, put yourself in their shoes and read the views. You'll know why I'm still standing in the middle instead of skipping over to defend Mods.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#93

@: Kavya_KraZQueen - Kavya, The only difference is that the development team has posted tons of warnings in calm tones in the past. But did you guys try to improve on anything? I'm not just blaming you, but asking in general. When members don't follow the rules in the calm way, we have to make our tone more harsh.

Even you are aware and so are we that the Creative Jannat has got tons of warnings before. From Gagan, Preeti, GMs and also Sachin. Did anyone ever try to pacify their mistakes?

You might say I'm blinded with the power so therefore I speak in such a way, but no. In fact I dislike raising warning levels or going around leaving such warnings for members, but we have to do it. If we had always been calm would you have followed the rules? This has been proven wrong in the past therefore the development team has to tighten their levels of being strict.

We've received several complainants against your IPL Thread and also the Janat, but we always give you guys another chance since we believe you will improve in the way you post. But do you?

Your Question about GMs getting involved, well you'll be surprised to know that nobody has told me to speak in such a way or in that fact even post here. I choose to do so on my own will.

About any other Sections: I'm not to comment, I'll simply just here by comment on MJHT problems

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Posted: 16 years ago
#94
@:kickass1 - i'll like to refer you to this:

Originally posted by: *Shruti*

Moderator's Note:
We have not stopped anyone from expression their views or criticizing the character. If you do not like a character, criticise the character but NOT the actor. Same goes to fans too. If one see a criticism against a character, we have always requested everyone not to jump in to defend the Actor/Actress, for it is only the character that is getting criticised. If anyone is at fault then it is the story plot.

And yes, while criticising, remember to not post anything unsavory that you wouldn't like hearing about yourself spoken by others. Any derogatory references or name callings against actors /characters/members/Dev team members are strictly a NO NO here.

A critic is one who discusses things in perspective, never loses objectivity and states things in a logical and constructive way. But a basher is one, who states the points a bit too heavily such that, it no longer looks like criticism but looks like a total attack. Please do not make comments on someone that you wont like being said about your favorite star. Respect others and get respect back.

This is a family forum where we have members from 13 years of age to 70+ years visiting. So irrespective of how angry how frustrated one is, donot use swear words, curses, slang's, or profanity.

If you have any problem/issue with Dev Team please take it up on PM and sort it out. Don't create a scene by starting a thread here.

Topic Closed



I hope that answers you question..it was perviously on page 1.
Posted: 16 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: Dark Love

Everyone wants closure, not just a "back off".



Perfectly said. In most cases, I've seen say Member A open a topic about how she is disappointed about some couple's chemistry in a certain segment. Another member will come and accuse the person of not being a "true fan" and whatnot and it will turn into a bloodbath with personal insults. Instead of the topic just being closed, Member B (in this case - as long as Member A wasn't being outwardly rude about it) should get his WL raised (if it was the first time). If it's happened before with the same person, it's obvious they are disturbing the peace of the forum, so ban them!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@ Dramaholicvibes, there is no such thing as freedom of speech on IF. It's been already pointed out, that IF is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Freedom of speech is a component that was abolished from IF long time ago. As Ankit pointed out, only the morbid fangirls, expressing their undying love and patriotism to a particular show, character or actor, have that priviledge. An important component of freedom of speech is criticism, whether that be negative or harsh in tone. And no, it is not considered bashing. Do you really want me to point out every 'negative' thread that was locked, labelled, and warned for expressing an opinion other than one that is prevalent on IF (ie; positive)? I'm more than willing to show you what 'freedom of speech' on IF is like.

Secondly, you had said that mods do not act like Gods. I believe it was you who asid that that no one can question the DEV team, you cannot talk back to them, and they do not like it if anyone dares to point a finger at them. I believe the exact quote is posted in one of the earlier pages. That statement alone contradicts what you have just said. Besides, the fact that moderators are exempt from every rule also validates my argument. How so? Wouldn't a member, who told another member that they should be 'ashamed of themselves' receive a warning otherwise? Did you?

Another point I'd like to point out is, that sometimes when our threads were locked, and we questioned the mods, they said it was locked because it was reported too many times. Rightttttttt. I can sit there and report a thread a 100 times, just for kicks, and you'll close it?

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Posted: 16 years ago
#97

Dev Team are not Gods, we are normal human beings too, who can sometimes make mistakes. If you feel that we have done something wrong, or we could improve what we can do, you can contact us or PM the DT member you have questions about. DT is all ears, as they themselves are looking for points to improve. As Shabo24 pointed out, there can be a lot of discussion done, without bashing. The DT don't raise WL's for no reason, there has to be a strong reason.

For a Dev Team being biased, we can't be biased. Yes, we can like a certain character from the show, because we have our likes/dislikes too and we very well share it with you guys, but while coming to the moderating part, we have to be totally unbiased, and look at the evidence and facts, rather then what we feel.
Regards,
Shifali
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Posted: 16 years ago
#98

Originally posted by: DramaholicVibes

@:kickass1 - i'll like to refer you to this:
I hope that answers you question..it was perviously on page 1.



Thank you for proving my point. Criticism is not allowed on IF only drooling over actors is allowed. Stopping someone from saying something is called DICTATORSHIP not FREEDOM OF SPEECH

I hope you get what i mean :)
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Posted: 16 years ago
#99

@:roxthefox – MJHT Forum is clearly divided into 2 groups. The DT stands in between these groups and when topics are posted which we feel may instigate or aggravate members into fighting, we step in. Yes there may have been threads in the past which the DT should not have closed down, but then again none of the members PMed me giving me that one good reason why I should re open it. If they had, I would have opened them back. The Dev Team can't browse through all the threads, especially those who are like 20 pages long, therefore we work according to the reports that are given. I can assure you that none of the threads get closed just like that. I myself sit down with the fellow DT and we discuss before closing threads down.

Like Shifali mentioned, we are normal people to, and at times we do make mistake. We then feel that members should tell us how to improve rather than point fingers. I hope your understanding where I'm coming from.

I have never acted like "God", nor would I compare myself to god. You can see my answer to that in Kavya's reply. As far as me saying anything to nehlove about "you should be ashamed", that was a member speaking, not a dev team and yes I do apologize for that. No I did not receive a warning, not because I'm a Dev Team but because there weren't anything foul or abusive with what I said. I did not use any abusive language against the member, and yes I do understand what was said could have upset the member, but then again different people think differently. There have been a hand full of members who believe that what the member did was far more insulting than what I replied. With that note the DT have to weigh up both sides before taking action, and that was done.

As to the report is concerned, I sometimes come across reports which are baseless, we simply ignore them. We don't take action against things which are correct and follow the IF COC. We only take action when things aren't following the IF COC and could easily aggravate members to cause arguments on the forum.

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Posted: 16 years ago

@: kickass1 - I'm only referring to MJHT Section, and yes I've always said yes to criticism but we as a Development Team have the right to step in when criticism is not genuine and is done to cause arguments. Constructive Criticism is always allowed. For example, if a member posts "Oh Mayank was rubbish today", that will obviously fury members and cause arguments, but if you wrote "I think Mayank could of done a better job, I really didn't like his performance today", it would still get your opinion across but in a much more politer and acceptable way.

Does this answer your question?

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