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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Cluny13

shruthi Di had said right she came into his life with red dress the colour of love she will go from his life in orange. So jeena Di am not sure if she would do BP with that.

He gave her adhikar she gives him adhikar. I understand that jeena Di but what does it do with touch and sindoor.


I don't know Sanju. Did you notice she did not allow him to touch her since Ram came to Ashram even today she did that twice but when he gave her that saree she said herself to put sindoor. So I thought there might be some connection. Waiting for Shruti di's analysis.
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Posted: 8 years ago

21/10/2016

I loved the perception creation. Though I want to write about 4 nights that looked something, but changed into something the next morning, I will do that after how they take Sita's BP. Today I will talk about the night of deceptions. 12 years back a wife was told by her husband she was telling she need to visit the ashram of the rishis and get their blessings. Plan to leave that day itself. Happily the wife does all the planning. She even wears the dress the ashram vasis wears as she doesn't want to go there as a queen. She wants to be one among them and with great humility take their blessings. This happy wife is denied one last chance even to look at her husband's face. That is how Sita banishment happens. With a beautiful perception and breaks brutally for Sita.

Today Sita creates the perception, she tells she needs one night to say goodbye to Valmiki Ashram once and forever. She feeds her children. She feeds her husband.She tells children to listen to their father. She tells her husband the boys are still kids, he will have to to put effort in their growth. Children says you are also there. They will show her how good kids they are. Ram says together they will take care of the kids. Her husband moves closer to her. But she steps back. What I liked about Ram was that he respected that decision of Sita and stood at a distance she was comfortable with. Reason Sita didn't allow Ram to touch is not she is cold towards him, but because if she allows him to touch her, once she feels his love, she will not be able to go ahead with her decision. Ram gives her the wedding dress and asks her to wear it when she starts the journey from the ashram. She agrees.

Now what is the difference of Ram and Sita's perception. Sita couldn't see Ram one last time before she was banished. But in her case as a mother she feeds her kids and as a wife feeds her husband one last time. Why Ram didn't see her. If he sees her he will not be able to proceed with his decision. Once again beautiful contrast of Sanskriti and Prakriti. Sanskriti sight or vision matters, Prakriti it is the feel. Hence she didn't allow him to touch her one last time.

Now the wedding dress. That is the beauty. Why was Ram worried when he saw the dream. In the dream Sita was going in Bhoomi with the dress of a Sanyasini. In that dress she is the wife who is sacrificed. The woman who has no right on Ram the husband or Ram the king. Ram says he will give justice to Sita. Remember the scene where he gives back sand to Sita. Wedding dress symbolizes that. When Sita comes wearing the wedding dress and jewels she is no longer the woman sacrificied, she is the wife of Ram, Kulvadhu of Royal palace and Queen of Ayodhya. All her identities get established with just that dress and jewels. By taking the sindoor from her husband one last time she is going as Suhagan. When she calls Mother Earth, wife of Ram is in his heart, Kulvadhu of Royal Palace shines through her sons, but the Queen, Queen of Ayodhya brutally rejects the Ayodhyavasis and its culture. And Ram banished her at night stealthily, the way Sanskriti moves. Hit you from behind. But her rejection. She is going to do it in broad daylight. Prakriti doesn't hit you from behind. Why you don't see it coming is because you are not used to getting hit from front. That is not the game you play. But Prakriti does it from front, fair and square. From where Sanskriti will be unable to get up. Just liked they forced her to live a life of rejection, she also leaves them to live a life of rejection.

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Posted: 8 years ago
@Sanju when I said orange I was expecting she will do BP in the dusk, but I had forgotten certain things, the most important her identity.She cant go in orange
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Posted: 8 years ago
Tired. Still few questions regarding yesterday epi will post tomorrow.
Ram stepping back realising her hesitance. It did seem like he pressurises to come back to ayodha in front of everyone but here we see what ram intended to do.
Prakriti doesn't hit from behind it does it right on the face which is more far more difficult. Well put Di
He indeed gives justice. Wedding dress well there couldn't have been a better symbolism that he was siya ke ram and she was his wife irrespective of what sanskriti does.

Ram and dreams. In skr the first dream ram saw was when Ayodha is isolated he is not there to comfort Ayodha. The second being Sita exile and now BP. The first is about the sanskriti he is going to break. The second being siya( prakriti ) he wants to protect. The third his life's aim the prakriti rejects sanskriti. He suceeds in protecting prakrithi, breaking the sanskriti but it was never ever easy.
Cvs have worked it out well. I always think ur analysis are more than what the CVs think but today I agree I underestimated skr CVs 😆
Edited by Cluny13 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Shruthi beautiful post
Another thing from different angle I find that...from Ram said from today u n I will be together..
this has double meaning..Ram said this as human as if don't know anything about future but the inner side or say Hari know everything Ma Lakshmi n Hari will be united like Ma lakshmi will be completely absorb by Hari n reside in his heart...by rejecting Ayodha...sankriti n its cruel side..
its like before Samudra manthan...like Ma lakshmi came to Vishnu ..n before that she went inside the sea...n like Ardhanarishvara SiyaRam one..Lakshmi Narayan one...but for outer world there will be Bhoomi prabesh but for them they will be one...its has some double meaning..
I don't know I have make my post clear or nt but feel it
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Rakhi the meaning was that. What you said. Rejection is for Ayodhya. But Lakshmi will always reside in Hari's heart
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Posted: 8 years ago
Rakhi di I loved one point of urs. During the churning of ocean only mahalakshmi emerges and unites with Vishnu but before that she was submerged in the ocean. Similarly she will go inside earth which nurtures her, all of us for that matter. She is swayam prakrithi who goes inside dharti maa only to unite with Vishnu in vaikunth after the completion of leela.
Btw post updated in pg 142. It's about dreams and ram
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

21/10/2016

I loved the perception creation. Though I want to write about 4 nights that looked something, but changed into something the next morning, I will do that after how they take Sita's BP. Today I will talk about the night of deceptions. 12 years back a wife was told by her husband she was telling she need to visit the ashram of the rishis and get their blessings. Plan to leave that day itself. Happily the wife does all the planning. She even wears the dress the ashram vasis wears as she doesn't want to go there as a queen. She wants to be one among them and with great humility take their blessings. This happy wife is denied one last chance even to look at her husband's face. That is how Sita banishment happens. With a beautiful perception and breaks brutally for Sita.

Today Sita creates the perception, she tells she needs one night to say goodbye to Valmiki Ashram once and forever. She feeds her children. She feeds her husband.She tells children to listen to their father. She tells her husband the boys are still kids, he will have to to put effort in their growth. Children says you are also there. They will show her how good kids they are. Ram says together they will take care of the kids. Her husband moves closer to her. But she steps back. What I liked about Ram was that he respected that decision of Sita and stood at a distance she was comfortable with. Reason Sita didn't allow Ram to touch is not she is cold towards him, but because if she allows him to touch her, once she feels his love, she will not be able to go ahead with her decision. Ram gives her the wedding dress and asks her to wear it when she starts the journey from the ashram. She agrees.

Now what is the difference of Ram and Sita's perception. Sita couldn't see Ram one last time before she was banished. But in her case as a mother she feeds her kids and as a wife feeds her husband one last time. Why Ram didn't see her. If he sees her he will not be able to proceed with his decision. Once again beautiful contrast of Sanskriti and Prakriti. Sanskriti sight or vision matters, Prakriti it is the feel. Hence she didn't allow him to touch her one last time.

Now the wedding dress. That is the beauty. Why was Ram worried when he saw the dream. In the dream Sita was going in Bhoomi with the dress of a Sanyasini. In that dress she is the wife who is sacrificed. The woman who has no right on Ram the husband or Ram the king. Ram says he will give justice to Sita. Remember the scene where he gives back sand to Sita. Wedding dress symbolizes that. When Sita comes wearing the wedding dress and jewels she is no longer the woman sacrificied, she is the wife of Ram, Kulvadhu of Royal palace and Queen of Ayodhya. All her identities get established with just that dress and jewels. By taking the sindoor from her husband one last time she is going as Suhagan. When she calls Mother Earth, wife of Ram is in his heart, Kulvadhu of Royal Palace shines through her sons, but the Queen, Queen of Ayodhya brutally rejects the Ayodhyavasis and its culture. And Ram banished her at night stealthily, the way Sanskriti moves. Hit you from behind. But her rejection. She is going to do it in broad daylight. Prakriti doesn't hit you from behind. Why you don't see it coming is because you are not used to getting hit from front. That is not the game you play. But Prakriti does it from front, fair and square. From where Sanskriti will be unable to get up. Just liked they forced her to live a life of rejection, she also leaves them to live a life of rejection.


I was eagerly waiting for your analysis today, because I saw many symbolisms here n there, but was confused... U hav put that so beautifully in your post. Sply Suhagan 's clothes one.. And the way Ram "abandons" Sita n the way Sita "abandons" Ram, was so similar yet so different!

That episode will always haunt me, when Ram took the decision n sent away Sita. Today it was equally painful, but it won't haunt me as I know, she's finally getting justice. As u said even saddest part of Ramayan gives one peace.


Another thing di, Sita declares her decision in front of everyone whereas Ram takes decision without anyone seeing anything, Prakriti n Sanskriti doing same things but differently ...

Also the scene where Ram gives the wedding dress to Sita and she goes back, but Ram calls her and says she's forgetting the sindoor... but Sita says she was just checking whether he remembers or not. And finally he puts the sindoor on her forehead...
It was similar to the Sita's fading handprints scene where she says our love has faded(or forgotten) but Ram stops her in btw n says he will never let their love fade... he makes Sita believe in his love once again in that dream seq and today finally I felt that scene played out in reality! Perfect loop closure...
Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@aditi I loved the dialogue " Mujhe mera sindoor dijiye" and thanks for pointing that out. By the way did you read my PM
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Posted: 8 years ago
Lovely post aditi di.
I also felt nowadays when we say u forget people say I was about to say or do but u did it. But Sita, Years had passed but ram clearly trusted her the same way. He knew her nature and today If she didnt forget. She didn't and truth and love shine through in that scene. Also now I get jeena dis point after seeing ur post. Ram humbly stretches the sindoor box to her places in her maang only after she asks. Remarkable!

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