SKR:OF LOOPS AND SYMBOLISMS #4: 1/08: updated on pg. 132

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Amaya Rishikesh

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@shruthiravi

I agree that people do look at that. But isnt that a rather narrow minded approach?

Shouldnt one look beyond the fact that Vibhishan was on Lord Rama's side, not Ravana's, and look at why? He did it for he believed in the Lord's ideals.

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shruthiravi

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@kanhakichutki yes it is narrow minded. But then that is how sanskriti works, sanskriti especially the adharma ones are afraid of vibishan's. So what do they do. Treat him as a traitor.

Coming to Ram. How is he perceived in the present society. As a man who gave Agnipareeksha to his wife and a man who abandoned his wife for the kingdom. Is that what Ram meant by his actions.

Uttarakand I was waiting. But AP he knew very well his wife wont be touched by Agni. He had that much faith in her to send her so confidently to agni. It was to show the world Sita didn't needed him to protect her honor. She was capable of doing that herself. He only delivered on her trust and faith that he will come to liberate her.

That's where Pandavas fail with Panchali in infamous hall of dice. Panchali protects her honor using Krishna. But she had trusted her husbands will come and question what is happening to her is wrong. But they stood mute.

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Amaya Rishikesh

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@kanhakichutki yes it is narrow minded. But then that is how sanskriti works, sanskriti especially the adharma ones are afraid of vibishan's. So what do they do. Treat him as a traitor.
Coming to Ram. How is he perceived in the present society. As a man who gave Agnipareeksha to his wife and a man who abandoned his wife for the kingdom. Is that what Ram meant by his actions.

Uttarakand I was waiting. But AP he knew very well his wife wont be touched by Agni. He had that much faith in her to send her so confidently to agni. It was to show the world Sita didn't needed him to protect her honor. She was capable of doing that herself. He only delivered on her trust and faith that he will come to liberate her.

That's where Pandavas fail with Panchali in infamous hall of dice. Panchali protects her honor using Krishna. But she had trusted her husbands will come and question what is happening to her is wrong. But they stood mute.

Okay, about the Pandavas, standing mute, they didnt exactly have a choice, they were staked in the game of dice. They were slaves, and were hence unarmed. There is no way the unarmed Pandavas could have taken on so many, armed men. Strong and skilled as they were, they weren't Gods, and didnt have superpowers.

There is also no point of comparing the two very different scenarios. Admittedly, both were underhanded blows, but one cannot draw parallels between them. I was just trying to say Vibhishan and Kumbhakaran were both justified in their own senses. There was no other point to my argument 😊

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shruthiravi

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@kanhakichutki unless you compare the 2 epics you cannot apply the universal law in the present yuga 😃. There is no point in going through epics if you cannot take their essence and apply in your day to day life. Which everyone can do. I am only telling that.

Coming to Pandavas, well they couldn't , but they could have called Krishna right telling adharma is happening to them 😃. What you told is common thinking. What I told in today's management parlance we call it out of the box thinking or lateral thinking.

When you know you cant do anything, when you know adharma is happening as a staunch believer you have to call the supreme power. Else what is that you call belief.

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Srutha

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Hello folks :P

I will analyse as I feel like :P

My opinions will come in the evening. Shruthi, have you noticed, in every thread the last part always involves a long debate about MB?

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Amaya Rishikesh

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Posted: 9 years ago

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True, you do take away learning from the epics, together, undeniably. But yes, I still think that the two scenarios were entirely different.

Perhaps then, they were helpless, they were bound, but later, they did avenge her. They did what was right.

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CutiepieAD

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Vishnu Bhargavi OS updated last 3 parts 😛

www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4679447&TPN=6&#p135916201

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Shrutha MB you cannot help it. The rights in Ram's action is his intent. The wrongs in Dharmaputra and Bhishma's action is just copying action without understanding the intent. 😃. So the debate will happen.

@Kanhakichutki yes they avenged. But at what cost. Loss of their kids. If one of them had taken the step of calling Krishna in infamous hall of dice asking help a war could have been avoided. You are never helpless to pray or ask Lord help. Only thing is that you need to let go of your ego.

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Maria

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
Shrutha MB you cannot help it. The rights in Ram's action is his intent. The wrongs in Dharmaputra and Bhishma's action is just copying action without understanding the intent. 😃. So the debate will happen.

@Kanhakichutki yes they avenged. But at what cost. Loss of their kids. If one of them had taken the step of calling Krishna in infamous hall of dice asking help a war could have been avoided. You are never helpless to pray or ask Lord help. Only thing is that you need to let go of your ego.

Pandavas not calling krishna how do u connect it to ego Shruthi? They were helpless and weren't knowing what to do. It was more of a lack of faith na? they were being troubled at all levels.. at every step were facing issues thus causing them to feel there's no way to come out of the mess they created as unlike previously this was their doing which has resulted in the insult of panchali. Panchali calling krishna shows her faith and also her cleat conscious as this wasn't her fault her humiliation wasn't caused because of her mistake.

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shruthiravi

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@Ria what is ego. I am right. This is the way things are as per the rule. We forget this is the way things are as per my understanding, but I don't feel this is right. I cant do anything. When you cant do anything, succumb or call for Lord's help. One who succumb blaming the circumstances is because of ego. He thinks his half knowledge is the correct one. One who feels I don't know what is happening, but whatever it is it is not right. I believe the supreme power can help me.

When MB gets narrated in my childhood days my great aunt had told me when Panchali was calling Krishna she was still holding her saree with one hand, and calling him with one hand.

Krishna at that time is playing dice with Rukmini. Rukmini says go Panchali calling, she needs your help. Krishna tells not now. He plays.

Panchali leaves her saree, lifts both her hands, surrendering herself to him, leaving her ego. Krishna comes immediately. That holding saree was said to be her ego. Even when you call, you have to surrender to him. I cant do anything, I surrender myself to you. Help me.

If you see in SKR also there is a Shiv-Parvati scene where Shiv asks Parvati after she goes to help Sita. Did she call you. Was her life in danger. Then why did you go.

Reason is we always have to try with Purusharth-Dharma, artha, Kama to reach our goals, but when our dharma doesn't help us, we are faced with conflicts to move forward leave ego and surrender.

Day 14 of MB battle also was Krishna killing Arjun's ego. If I don't kill Jayadrath by sunset I will jump. Arjuna fights hard, but he needs Krishna to complete his mission. Krishna makes him go till the pyre accepting defeat before lifting the illusion. The " I" doesn't help you in surrender. And that " I" is the ego.

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