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Posted: 9 years ago
@DD I have replied to your PM. Apologies couldn't do yesterday because as I said I am juggling things and though I watch epi I don't get time to come online and it is going to be like this. I have not much clue about AHP but I have PMed you on DAR decision analysis and resolution a similar concept which I have used in my projects for decision making.
Now coming to the episode. I would say it was a beauty in every level. @Rex nice to know that you are connecting practical things. It is good. Actually that is the best learning you can get from epics
@Shivam you are so correct about experience. Only Time teaches us that. That's why I say time is the most powerful thing in the universe. Even Karma comes calling at the right time
@Geena I loved your word. Lakshman understood beauty can be deceiving. Yes he will see the deceit in the beauty of the golden deer. Lakshman as a person is a good observer and quick learner and a very practical person.
@Charvi just try challenging him, you will get immediately something
@Savitha did you notice when Ram kills one Asur, the other takes the shape of a snake and disappears. Sita doesn't notice this and misses on the most important knowledge. Sanskriti can use Prakriti for deception. And for me it also meant metaphorically how the rules set by patriarichy have poisoned the thoughts of woman and made them door mats over centuries. Snake was what they showed.
My analysis on the episode. It had many messages. First let us take Ram-Lakshman Sita. Ram says to Sita in the Tue epi me and Lakshman are making a house. Make it a home. It was the beautiful representation of physical and emotional aspect of man -woman relation. Man providing the physical cover and women with her emotional strength completes the structure in real sense.
Now see what Lakshman says. Because of my mistake all effort lost. Our house is lost. Nature's fury takes it. They 3 survived but then the effort to rebuild what is lost has been huge. Today house was lost.
Tomorrow when Sita makes the mistake the home is lost. Her apaharan, her AP, her banishment. What home Ram had. Yes the kids come to him, but she goes back to earth.
Today Lakshman paid the price of his mistake in one day. Tomorrow Sita will pay her entire life for that mistake. And will the suffering be just that of her. It will be of Ram, it will be Lakshman, it will be for Shatrughnan.
When a man commits a mistake something physical is broken which can be rebuild if everyone stands together. When a woman commits a mistake it is the emotions that gets broken. It breaks from inside and it is impossible to build the same way.
Same way if a man commits a crime maybe one person is affected or a generation is affected, but when a woman commits a crime or supports a crime generations are affected.
What Kaikeyi did. Her kids and next generation kids paid the price. Yes she did the penance. But she couldn't prevent the way Luv-Kush were bought up away from palace.
With great power comes great responsibility. When we woman calls ourselves Shakthi we also need to know we have great responsibility with us. Because if we stray, the price will be huge for our own family. If we fall, the fort falls. Defense cannot fail.
Look at the way Ram reacted today. If something happens to you. If those Asurs were successful. The full concern was visible in him. It is as if, if she falls he too will fall and we will see this very evidently when Sita apaharan happens. Ram loses it, he breaks down like a child not seeing her. And it is said that till Hanuman keeps the chudamani in Ram's hand as a proof of Sita's existence, Ram is emotionally very very weak.
Now coming to the second part. Hanuman and Gandharva king. If you see I couldn't fault Gandharva king. Because when Hanuman keeps the proposal the first thing the Gandharva king tells is that this guy cannot take care of himself, how will he take care of my daughter. Yes a man caught snooping around, a man who simply does not talk anything , a man standing in a corner which father would feel confident to give such a man his daughter's hand in marriage.
We really have to compare the way Ram comes in front of Janaka. Before Ram the stories of Ram reach. Janaka has a very favourable opinion about the young man. And when he sees him the favorable opinion increases. Ram stands with his identity so are the other Ayodhya brothers.
Now look at Sugreeva, it is only when Gandharva king sees Hanuman he is a bit lenient to Sugreeva because of Hanuman's credibility. So Sugreeva doesn't have any credibility of his own, he needs others for the same. And look at him, once the king says no he goes. And what does Hanuman says the lady loves you and you are going even without making an attempt to win her hand.
To me Sugreeva came across as a noble man, who has long lived under the shadow of his superior sibling and has low self esteem and low confidence. But with the help of an intelligent friend like Hanuman he is trying to get back his identity and confidence. And yes it will happen. Because one of the key reasons that is being told for Ram killing Bali from behind is that kidnapping and keeping Ruma against her will , ousting Sugreev and misusing his boon that he will get half of his opponent's strength in a direct battle.
So once again we are shown the intelligence of Hanuman who gives importance to a person's free will.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@shruthi: I have come in here for the first time and m quite lucky to read such beautiful posts on the page...Bang on Shruthi...ur explanation of Lakshman realsin the mistake but payin the price of losin house, and then drwaing parallels for Sita wen she is deceived by not understanding maya in deer and payin the price of losin home are just so good to read...
I cant explain I am so glad to read the post...it's like widening the horizon of understanding of a situatn and seein it from a new angle.

Lakshman understood the maya but Sita did not in the haran sequence...even wen she knows the nature so well...how was she deceived by maya that too wen it was related to maya in terms of prakrati ??...I know Narayan and Lakshmi were on earth to serve the bigger purpose and she had to become the medium, but is it not ironical that she was deceived by a deer that was not natural wen we have seen till now how she always has felt unnatural things in the environment.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Attubaby it will be more clear when we see the epi. Going by the screen play I am sure CVs have planned something really nice for us. So far SKR CVs are not only living upto my expectations , but many times exceeding my expectations. That house washing away scene in the flash flood was brilliant symbolism to say the least.
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Posted: 9 years ago

@DD being a commerce student high funda maths is not my game. . .
Simple Debit Credit Profit Loss is more like my field. . .

@ Savita thanks for the encouragement surely will share my path of experience but slowly. . .
excellent update on episode, coming to this thread my perspective at seeing different angles has become broader. . .

@Shruthi wonderful analysis I have not watched the episode but got the fair idea from your post. . .


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Attubaby it will be more clear when we see the epi. Going by the screen play I am sure CVs have planned something really nice for us. So far SKR CVs are not only living upto my expectations , but many times exceeding my expectations. That house washing away scene in the flash flood was brilliant symbolism to say the least.


CVs ka toh I don't know as the show has its share of both high and lows😉 ..but yeah, I will definitely look up to your post for the sequence to understand the whole situation from a more informed perspective and a different dimension😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
@attubaby when coming to TV shows my expectations are very very low, sometimes ground ke be neeche because of the quality that they are churning out. 😆😆. I have enough bad experience with the so called novel shows which goes gol, gol with 2 sisters running after one guy and 2 brothers going after one girl. A marriage happens, then the confusion this marriage was right or should I go and marry again. So called great tyaag 😡 which is nothing but buffoonery. and what not. 😆😆
So even basic things met it is WOW experience for me 😆😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
SIYA KE RAM- 22/04

Every single day has begun to be an adventure in the land of SKR 😆 every single day I am curious to know where the cvs shall take us, throw us and make us wonder. And the episode was one such ⭐️.

The beginning was 👏. So we get one big answer to yesterday's left over part... 😃

The water washing away the house was one learning experience...


*editing* do not quote till am done 😆

*though am lagging behind *😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
@gmgi you nicely pointed out the quick learning nature of lakshman ... @savita you connected julius cesar ...words to sita behavior ...how she forget her own caution ... @shruti your shakti and responsibility concept is wonderful ...how man mistake only harms property but woman mistake whole family ... Now coming to my perspective ...as said earlier lakshman is learning prakriti, its beauty and cautions ...but he knows sanskriti very well ... whereas in sita case she knows prakriti but never tried to understand sanskriti...in spite of so many indications ...if u all observe she hide the doe fact from ram but the asurs observed her this behavior ...later also she will demand for an unnatural doe...even after warning of lakshman that it is maya of sanskriti ...she didn't tried to use her knowledge of prakriti (and sanskriti she knew nil about it) ...due to her moh for doe and ram moh of her happiness/to fulfill her every demand ...he will also neglect lakshman warning ... but if she had told about doe to ram today ...he could consider it as a trap by asur knowing sita weakness ...but he have no idea of sita obsessive attraction for doe(and asurs observed this fact) ...hiding things from family or spouse could be dangerous ...especially when we are closely saved from a threat ...however minimal one may consider the fact ...it could prove fatal later ...as we say sometimes a word is enough to complete the whole puzzle ...sita consider herself strong and knowledgeable ...but only one side of coin prakriti ...unaware of other side sanskriti ...and half knowledge is dangerous and she will learn this lesson ...but only when a hard reality hit her ...she is alone (because till then she is protected by sanskriti itself) coming to hanuman scene ...have very much to say ...but have no time ...will write after today episode ...
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Rex Sita has displayed this half knowledge in various occasions. No one corrected her at that time. First when she takes Shiv Dhanush when Parasuram comes with what Shivanand has said. That she will protect Mithila. She didn't even know why the great sage has come.
Second in Mithila rajasabha when the king of sangharsh is banished from kingdom, she asks Janak which kingdom as he has told he owns nothing. She was right from prakriti POV, but understanding of sanskriti was missing there
Again she aims the arrow to liberate the boy from the clutches of the eagle with no regard of how will she protect the child when it falls.
And yesterday was classic. Knowing the dangers of the forest where her husband and devar fought many asurs she shouldn't have just like that gone after the doe. Most important as you rightly said she shouldn't have hidden that info from Ram. It is always said that the couple should never hide even small things from each other as you never know when that small thing can become really big thing.
You are right she doesn't make an attempt to study Sanskriti, but Lakshman after the experience with the house will start the process much faster to understand prakriti and since he knows sanskriti too, he will be able to identify sanskriti camoflagued as prakriti.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Guys I'll be updating yday's and today's analysis after 11-30 repeat. A bit tied up..
Shruthi thank u for replying.. Kal maine aur Shirley ne bahot dimag lagaya 😆.

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