SKR:Of loops and symbolisms: 25/03- P.142-TRUTH

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daydreamers

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Posted: 9 years ago

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SIYA KE RAM- SHIVA TYING SACRED THREAD

Exactly shruthi...😃

I was going to put this, but thank you for doing it... 😊

In fact the same was with the girls' thread tying...

I knew it had to do something..

You gave a beautiful angle.

My interpretation was- Shiva being the almighty, ties thread to shatrughna, bharat first ( both are the avatar of Vishnu's Maya, in a way they are Vishnu's babies). Even if you look around don't we first cater to our younger ones? Then comes lakshman ( the shadow, the shield, the defence), the adishesha ( who also gave protection to infant Krishna in the next avatar) and at the end Rama ( Shiva's colleague, one of the tridev).

It was kinda symbolic of this that ram being Vishnu knew his purpose and was calm and will be positive in the future. But his brothers ( in chronology of thread tying ) shatrughna will need the protection first as he will be that base on which bharat would fall upon, the next comes bharat who shall be ram's reflection. He will be vulnerable but always was obedient to ram's commands. After that we have adishesha lakshman, just like ram knows his purpose, lakshman knows his devotion. He somewhere knows as ram knows of the future.

At the end he tied it to ram symbolic of trust and faith Shiva has on him. If u watch carefully, the time he ties the thread, shiva caresses ram's hand in a brotherly way thus entrusting him with the nature's biggest dayitva.

The sacred thread was to complete the rituals without any hurdles- a sense of protection.

And a shield is first given to those who are vulnerable.

(shatrughna, bharat) as they didn't knew what could happen, what would happen. They in a way don't know their path unlike ram lakshman. Ram knows he's here for a bigger purpose, to kill adharma. Lakshman knows his path, wherever his brother goes, he shall follow him.

A similar parallel was drawn with the sisters.

Shruthkirti, mandvi, urmila,sita.

Kirti is childish, mandvi is impatient ( they both will need more strength to deal with everything)

Urmila being sita's reflection is quite strong.

Sita ( the one whose swami knows the path). She feels protected, guided and devoted.

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radianteyes.

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Posted: 9 years ago

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While I was typing a thing into my mind
The four sisters could be related to four tat as
Sita to earth , grounded , divine , nurturer
Urmilla to water , bubbly , flowy , independent and knows limits
Mandvi to fire independent , fierce , responsible
Shruthkirti to air. Boundless

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@DD didn't Urmila tie that sacred thread to Sita. Is that an assurance that in her absence whatever she would protect, in her absence Urmila will protect the same.

Nice takes on Shiva tying the thread. And Charvi what a comparison to elements. I guess you always love elements.

Coming to wait vs watch my mantra has always been " You want, you get that is luck, you want, you wait that's time, you want, you wait, you compromise that is life, you want, you wait and you don't compromise that is success"

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: radianteyes.
While I was typing a thing into my mind
The four sisters could be related to four tat as
Sita to earth , grounded , divine , nurturer
Urmilla to water , bubbly , flowy , independent and knows limits
Mandvi to fire independent , fierce , responsible
Shruthkirti to air. Boundless

They are...

Dil ki baat kar di aapne 😳

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD didn't Urmila tie that sacred thread to Sita. Is that an assurance that in her absence whatever she would protect, in her absence Urmila will protect the same.
Nice takes on Shiva tying the thread. And Charvi what a comparison to elements. I guess you always love elements.
Coming to wait vs watch my mantra has always been " You want, you get that is luck, you want, you wait that's time, you want, you wait, you compromise that is life, you want, you wait and you don't compromise that is success"

Wow di , this quote is going on my wall , I simply loved it .
Thanku so much .
Coming to elements , yes I love to relate every human theory to that of nature , it has every answer
And since I relate to water the most , I relate to urmilla the most .
So , I have a clear point about myself , people can use me but they can't conquer me

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Shruthi one more take on thread tying is this

As we gave discussed of bharat being reflection of ram.

So we have,

Bharat=ram then technically

Shatrughna= lakshman

The thread was tied to shatrughna first to make bharat's support system stronger.

Then it was tied to lakshman to make ram's moral support stronger.

Isn't it marvellous⭐️

One more scene that struck me was, the tym when kaikeyi sent bharat to kaikeya, sumitra makes it a point to send shatrughna with him.

This whole thing ( till thread tying) is drawn parallel.

For a leader to lead, for a warrior to act, for the elder to decide, a strong base is needed. And to ensure this, Shiva made it a point to tie the threads to the base of both the duo's ( shatrughna and lakshman) so that whenever the leader fall back, the base can hold them, lift them and motivate them.

Rem the tym when sita is abducted, ram is restless and lakshman recognizes sita's anklets. Its that tym when the base will actually lift up the leader. Waiting how SKR shall handle this

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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One more thing I want to add with respect to Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha. The way the brothers are seated shows the deficiency of our vision or our half knowledge. In direct vision Ram has Lakshman or arth, and it is in his profile view Moksha or Shatrughna sits. The problem with humans is that they always believe what they see in front of their eyes " Mere aankhon ke saamne" and every proof is asked in front of your eyes.

And this myopic vision is making people run behind Artha or wealth that is needed for good life. If they knew Moksha as the ultimate aim, they will do pooja of Mata Saraswati and Maa Lakshmi and Maa Durga will come to them.

@Charvi one more thing on infinite to finite. Mathematically zero is treated as infinity and 1 as finite. Zero is the greatest gift to the humanity from our culture by Aryabhatta. And in this binary system of 0 and 1 stands the whole foundation of the world's information technology. The immense possibility of physical science is derived by just these 2 numbers 0 and 1.

And our rishis knew this binary system that is very much needed for our inner space and its immense possibilities.

If the binary system can give this much change in our physical universe, wont the same binary system applied to our mind will open up the immense potential of human mind and take it to greater heights in the right sense.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Yes DD I agree to you, to walk in the offbeaten path, to face challenge we need support system. Emotional support to be exact. Someone who will be with us through thick and thin. And that person has to be very strong.

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@DD didn't Urmila tie that sacred thread to Sita. Is that an assurance that in her absence whatever she would protect, in her absence Urmila will protect the same.

Nice takes on Shiva tying the thread. And Charvi what a comparison to elements. I guess you always love elements.
Coming to wait vs watch my mantra has always been " You want, you get that is luck, you want, you wait that's time, you want, you wait, you compromise that is life, you want, you wait and you don't compromise that is success"

I see that as the sole purpose of urmila tying the thread to sita. Plus if lakshman is ram's shadow and urmila is sita's reflection. And not just reflection but also lakshman's shadow. So urmila has this dual responsibility. Sita and lakshman were ram's shadows, they followed him. Ppl may ask me if am terming urmila as lakshman's shadow why didn't she go? My take is simple. Lakshman already being a shadow is dark, is going towards dark. And one cannot see a person's shadow in the dark. How can his shadow ( urmila) be there?

And the dialogue of urmila holds a greater significance of kashta and santosh.

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
One more thing I want to add with respect to Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha. The way the brothers are seated shows the deficiency of our vision or our half knowledge. In direct vision Ram has Lakshman or arth, and it is in his profile view Moksha or Shatrughna sits. The problem with humans is that they always believe what they see in front of their eyes " Mere aankhon ke saamne" and every proof is asked in front of your eyes.
And this myopic vision is making people run behind Artha or wealth that is needed for good life. If they knew Moksha as the ultimate aim, they will do pooja of Mata Saraswati and Maa Lakshmi and Maa Durga will come to them.

@Charvi one more thing on infinite to finite. Mathematically zero is treated as infinity and 1 as finite. Zero is the greatest gift to the humanity from our culture by Aryabhatta. And in this binary system of 0 and 1 stands the whole foundation of the world's information technology. The immense possibility of physical science is derived by just these 2 numbers 0 and 1.
And our rishis knew this binary system that is very much needed for our inner space and its immense possibilities.
If the binary system can give this much change in our physical universe, wont the same binary system applied to our mind will open up the immense potential of human mind and take it to greater heights in the right sense.

Absolutely loved your take...

And yes am always in love with this theory of infinite and finite. Of zeroes and ones... 😊