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shruthiravi thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Aphrodite in Ram avatar the Lord himself suffered at the hands of gossip mongers and their impact in the society and in Krishna avatar he gave the lesson of how to deal with them by taking the reins of a man's battle in Kurushetra war. Actually if you look Krishna takes Arjuna through Ram's path only by setting the direction of his actions.
And that is why in BG he tells surrender your actions to me without thinking about results, I will protect you. And in fact he protects the man who trusted him and chose him over and above his wealth and power.
The knowledge is given to a common man by Krishna whoever trusts him and the path is always Ram's is my take. Because it might be difficult to understand Ram's actions, but it is much more easier to trust Krishna and walk the path thinking he is always by your side.
If you look Ram has only followers, he needs to take decisions. Alone. But Krishna he is a friend to Arjuna. Friend to any man or woman who wants to follow the path of dharma. So that a man or woman doesn't feel alone, they always have the company of someone as their emotional strength, which a normal human always needs.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheAphrodite

Makes sense why the next avatar was of Sri Krishna.
Because in that avatar the Lord shows that there is a limit to dharam neeti in rajneeti . And..well that.
But Honestly Ramayan has the saddest ending .
Thank You , I understood the message finally :")

Says who ? Is physical proximity the only measure of happiness ?
Is it not possible to transcend the limitations of physical bodies?
This is why Ramayana is not properly understood...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali

Says who ? Is physical proximity the only measure of happiness ?
Is it not possible to transcend the limitations of physical bodies?
This is why Ramayana is not properly understood...


It Has The Saddest Ending , I'm Not talking of the physical proximity at all , I'm talking of the fact that no one really knows what happened , everyone has different versions.

Because it's not known what happened to the 4 brothers in the Ram Rajya , it isn't elaborated . Mandavi,Shruthkirti , Urmila , it doesn't highlight the lives of all characters though they were integral part in the beginning.

Ramayana depicts that in the truest sense that happiness, love is transcendental in nature . Be it the bond between the 4 brothers/sisters , Mother-Son/Daughter, Father-Son , Shravan's story ,Shabari's story etc .
It doesn't conclude well , whereas Mahabharata does . That's all I'm Saying .

About Ramayana being misunderstood , try being a little less rigid , it's just that Ramayana isn't as read as The Mahabharata , I agree I don't have enough information but you shouldn't be that assertive , anyways , I wanted a healthy discussion , because sometimes it's really hard for me as 17 year old to relate to certain aspects of the Ramayana .

And rest assured that the understanding of Ramayana isn't fragmented by my understanding . I'm still learning and not imposing .

Thank You regardless , for giving me more depth in this matter :)
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TheAphrodite thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Aphrodite in Ram avatar the Lord himself suffered at the hands of gossip mongers and their impact in the society and in Krishna avatar he gave the lesson of how to deal with them by taking the reins of a man's battle in Kurushetra war. Actually if you look Krishna takes Arjuna through Ram's path only by setting the direction of his actions.

And that is why in BG he tells surrender your actions to me without thinking about results, I will protect you. And in fact he protects the man who trusted him and chose him over and above his wealth and power.
The knowledge is given to a common man by Krishna whoever trusts him and the path is always Ram's is my take. Because it might be difficult to understand Ram's actions, but it is much more easier to trust Krishna and walk the path thinking he is always by your side.
If you look Ram has only followers, he needs to take decisions. Alone. But Krishna he is a friend to Arjuna. Friend to any man or woman who wants to follow the path of dharma. So that a man or woman doesn't feel alone, they always have the company of someone as their emotional strength, which a normal human always needs.


This makes so much sense to me , true that .
I will remember this for long , Thank You :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali

On a more serious note, Lord Rama usually gets the flak for 'abandoning' his wife, that too when she was carrying his child.

IMHO, he didn't do anything un-husband- like while sending Sita away. He acted in the best manner he could- protecting both his wife and the dignity of the throne he sat on. The reasons why I say so are as follows-

OK, some people in Ayodhya were gossiping about the purity of his wife's character. There was nothing he could do about it. He cannot shut people 's mouths.

He also knows that eventually Sita will also come to hear about the gossip and this was the kind of idle talk which will only increase with the passage of time, not diminish. Would it do good for Sita, in her state of pregnancy to be listening to what each Tom, Dick and Harry had to say about her character.

If Rama was worried about his wife, he was even more worried about his unborn child. What would it's condition in the womb be, if its mother was worried, dejected and upset?

By sending Sita away, he ensured that she would at least not get to hear the latest on the gossip front.

He does not abandon her in the middle of no where. He specifically instructs Lakshmana to leave her near Valmiki's ashram, certain that she would be given sanctuary there.

And the Chakravarti Maharaja that he is, wouldn't his spies have come and told him about Sita's safe arrival in the ashram, the subsequent birth of his sons?

Rama knew that Valmiki's word was the law in his ashram and the rishi certainly would not permit permit people engaging in idle gossip. Moreover the pure and spiritually charged environment of the ashram would have been a far better place for Sita to spend the remainder of her pregnancy that be cloistered in the royal palace with all its intrigues, plots and shadowy characters. Who could say that there won't be another Manthara?

Quoting you to add more on the fact that Sita was not abandoned by Rama rather it was "Separation" , in modernn parlance
One important thing we get to know is that Valmiki was a friend of Dasharatha and so he would look after Sita as his daughter
When women in Valmiki ashrama see him enter with Sita they're surprised and remark that he (Valmiki) had visited his own ashrama after a long time , so it can be inferred that Valmiki was present there to receive Sita and he new this well in advance .
Valmiki allotted a separate quarter to Sita and specifically instructed ashrama inmates to take special care of Sita
And the best part is that , in Valmiki ashrama Sita is known as Sita only and not as Vandevi so it was an open secret that Sita had been living in Valmiki ashrama
Rama had achieved two things:
1) Sita ( and the would be born ) children were protected from rumours and thus got a spiritual environment to grow up
2) As a King , of raghuvansha, Rama had kept his word that any allegation against family members would result ingiving them up ( Dandaka and Asamanjas, princes of Ayodhya were given up for their misdeeds) but Sita was innocent so as a king Ram did the best he could

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Posted: 9 years ago
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There is a scene in SKR where Ram is shown standing in front of Sita when the pralay raises. The act of Siya being sent on exile has the same premise.
Shri Ram did keep his promise to Sita, ie to protect her forever. He has protected her against every question on her chastity starting that day to now and even in the future by taking the blame all on himself.

Shri Ram stands trial day in and day out while Sita Maiya has been vindicated. If that is not the protection Shri Ram promised then what else is?
The premise of the exile was to allow Sita to lead a life of dignity and self respect though it cost both Shri Ram and Sita ji their physical presence with each other.

He has stood in front of Sita Maiya preferring to take the blame of abandonment rather than let his wife suffer infamy even in the words of the very few.
The way a story is interpreted in a society shows how mature the society is. Using Shri Ram's sacrifice as an example to do exactly what he showed should not happen is why this is called kalyug.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali



He does not abandon her in the middle of no where. He specifically instructs Lakshmana to leave her near Valmiki's ashram, certain that she would be given sanctuary there.

And the Chakravarti Maharaja that he is, wouldn't his spies have come and told him about Sita's safe arrival in the ashram, the subsequent birth of his sons?


Exactly! I am so glad you pointed this out, because many many many people do not know this fact, and I blame the movies in the 60s which portrayed Ram as a heartless husband. How many movies have we not seen of Uttar Kand where Ram simply hears the washerman and tells Lakshman to abandon Sita all in the space of a minute? 🤢 Majority of people do not read books on the Ramayana. They prefer gaining their knowledge through media, and movies back in the 60s did a HUGE mistake that will leave an everlasting mark on society regarding Ram's supposed abandonment of Sita.

You are right that Ram does not abandon Sita. He gives her shelter in Valmiki's ashram, which is actually on the outskirts of Ayodhya. There, Sita is not known as Vandevi but by her original name, so the people know they are housing Ram's queen and his heirs. Sita is treated with love and respect by the residents of the ashram.

Also, another point I'd like to make is that Ram doesn't separate from Sita merely on the words of the washerman. The washerman was only the catalyst of the rumors. He started them by maligning Sita, but then many people in Ayodhya starting gossiping about her, not just men but women also. A king would not sacrifice his wife merely on the words of one man. It was because the rumors had taken such a rampant turn that Ram had to separate from Sita.

Another important fact to remember is that the day Luv Kush are born in Valmiki's ashram, Shatrughan spends the night there on his way to Mathura to battle with Lavanasura. Valmiki informs Shatrughan about Luv Kush's birth and has him perform their naamkaran, since he's their uncle.

What more proof do we need that Ram knew of Sita and Luv Kush's wellbeing? Would Shatrughan not have told his brother that his sons were born and doing well?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ramkijanaki,
According to anthropologist S S Shashi, not just Shatrughna even Ram used to visit Sita and the children, in Valmiki ashram and he always kept a tab on his family .
Valmiki just being present at the time Sita sought shelter and family members visiting Sita & kids shows that it was a carefully thought plan of rama..
Source:
Encyclopedia indica compiled by SS Shashi
There is more to their story and the incident of Sita asking the earth to split to prove her innocence is a super sensational story created by Kalidas .
Ramkien and Ananda Ramayana talk of reunion and its a happy one.
Rama and Sita lived a long life to see the weddings of their grandchildren and they both had children more than two!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Varali janki hope everyone's doubts are cleared.both of u have explained perfectly👍🏼❤️
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maverick_me

Ramkijanaki,

According to anthropologist S S Shashi, not just Shatrughna even Ram used to visit Sita and the children, in Valmiki ashram and he always kept a tab on his family .
Valmiki just being present at the time Sita sought shelter and family members visiting Sita & kids shows that it was a carefully thought plan of rama..
Source:
Encyclopedia indica compiled by SS Shashi
There is more to their story and the incident of Sita asking the earth to split to prove her innocence is a super sensational story created by Kalidas .
Ramkien and Ananda Ramayana talk of reunion and its a happy one.
Rama and Sita lived a long life to see the weddings of their grandchildren and they both had children more than two!


Interesting!

I think it's super sweet that there's a possibility Ram visited the ashram to meet Sita and Luv Kush. It's a possibility that I can see totally happening. It may not be written anywhere, but it's a possibility.

As for Ram and Sita having a happy reunion, this I doubt (though I dearly wish it were true!). Valmiki clearly mentions that Sita returned to the Earth, and unless this whole chapter is a later interpolation, I don't see a reunion happening.

Also, it never mentions in the book whether the people of Ayodhya ever repented or not. Sita returning to Earth was a proof of her purity, not to prove herself to the people of Ayodhya, but so that her sons would never have to bear the humiliation she did. Sita clearly mentions that she has no wish to prove herself as a chaste wife, but as a mother she wants her sons to be accepted as Ram's children and to receive their rights as his heirs. That's the only reason she gave a test in front of the people of Ayodhya and returned to Earth.

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