I didnt come for Janaki I came for Dhanush- Ravan - Page 2

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I have no words to describe your post. I'm speechless, to say the least. Every word of your's is so very true. The killing of the female foeticide does happen in well educated families too. As you mentioned behind pink doors. I haf watched an episode of Savdhaan India long time back. It was about female foeticide. The whole family was educated but when the D-I-L was pregnant her in-laws and husband were behind he to find out the child's gender. And, the irony was the doctors too were supporting this crime. Don't know when this will change or I'm afraid will this ever change?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Shruthi: As usual good selection of ur topic choice.

Ravan uttered words which was full of ego, superiority complex and pride but he said at each line great shiv bhakth. When a person becomes bhakth of someone (god or even any human) how can the person have the feeling that he/she was the great? This mean its not paripoorn bhakth. Now this also leads to the reasoning for calling Lord Krishna as paripoorna avatar.

Coming to the topic, not only the men view women as materialist jackpot even they have an option that when they give materials woman will be satisfied. Not only Ravan said he needs dhanush than sita (as per skr dialogue), he offered sita the entire Lanka to get her. So its the state of mind of Ravan who always valued gold/materials than the heart / soul of human. Hence for me, as long as man who seeks wealth from his counterpart is a Ravan in him and a woman who requires the materials to get satisfied by a man is simply a demoness.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@fatsrilanka will it change. Yes it will, if woman take a stand. Yes female foeticide happens, but the foetus is inside a woman. If she wants she can protect her daughter. If see certain episodes of Savdhaan India we can see certain woman braving odds for their unborn child. Even rebelling against their husbands for their unborn daughter. The woman with the child in her womb has to stand up for that voiceless in her womb. Unless woman stand up for a woman how else do we expect a man to stand. After marriage when we go to homes of relatives and pay respect to elders many have blessed me may you have a son. I had always felt uncomfortable with it. Somewhere in me that rebel had refused to accept those blessings. I have always wondered why people couldn't bless may you be blessed with a healthy child irrespective of the gender. The woman who doesn't want a daughter devalues herself.
@Ramya you are right. There are enough woman who want material comfort and will do anything to get that. These women feed the ego of men like Ravan. They are as much a bane to society as men like Ravan. Sorry to bring EHT once again. But it was one soap where you could see when a woman who walked for her rights is able to liberate many women from the shackles the society has put on them. And I still love that dialogue from Nithya to Sakshi ( mother of the rapist Shaurya who protects him). More than the man girls have to be afraid of women like you who protects a criminal son. The show clearly showed when right women come together change does happen the right way and the right man gets the limelight not the criminals.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi


@Ramya you are right. There are enough woman who want material comfort and will do anything to get that. These women feed the ego of men like Ravan. They are as much a bane to society as men like Ravan. Sorry to bring EHT once again. But it was one soap where you could see when a woman who walked for her rights is able to liberate many women from the shackles the society has put on them. And I still love that dialogue from Nithya to Sakshi ( mother of the rapist Shaurya who protects him). More than the man girls have to be afraid of women like you who protects a criminal son. The show clearly showed when right women come together change does happen the right way and the right man gets the limelight not the criminals.


I am a true feminist who just can't wash away the wrong of women too. For me, the law should be the same irrespective of caste, creed and gender.
@bold: This reminds me about the words of juvenile rapist mother in Nirbhaya case. When our country is like this, no point in simply blaming the fictional shows immorality preach. One think is true, our people are good in quoting the wrong deeds from epics and puranas and fail to address the good ones.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Shruthi & Ramya, Sorry to bother you with my take. No I am not disputing the fact that Ravan was too egoist and boosting his strength & Bhakthi. It is the irony that it was Lord Shiv himself was the reason for his such character. Had not Lord Shiv granted him his own wife (Parvathi) when he was pleased with Ravan's penance, he would not have been too proud of his Bhakthi. Since lord shiv told him that he was pleased with his prayers and is ready to grant any of his wish, he had asked fro Shive and if not for Narada maharshi, what would have been the status co of Maa Parvathi? And Shiva never learnt from his previous acts and that is how he granted his Atma Linga to Ravan when he wanted to carry that to Lanka as he promised him mother that he will get Atma Linga for her to do pooja (when Samudra raja washed away the sand Linga made & worshipped by Ravan's mother), he would not have boosted his bhakthi to this level. Thank God Shiv ji gave one precautionary message that he shall not place it on land befoe reaching his destination and if so the Atma Linga will get installed in that particular place. This message was well utilized by Yet Again Narada Muni with the help of Ganesh ji who took a role of an cowboy and placed the Ling on land at Gokarna before Ravan could complete his evening service to Bhagavan Surya.
It was Shiva ji's Bholepan was the reason for Ravan's boosted ego on his Bhakthi and it was Devendra's inefficiency which boosted his ego about his strength.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@jaya thanks for the info. Actually I don't know the story you have mentioned. Yes we all know Shiva is Bholenath. He is said to be Kshripa Kopi, Kshripa Prasadi( Easily get angered, easily pleased).
And Asuras grossly misuse the bholapan of Shankar.Basmasur the classic example. Vishnu had to take Mohini avatar to save Shiva from Basmasur.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@fatsrilanka will it change. Yes it will, if woman take a stand. Yes female foeticide happens, but the foetus is inside a woman. If she wants she can protect her daughter. If see certain episodes of Savdhaan India we can see certain woman braving odds for their unborn child. Even rebelling against their husbands for their unborn daughter. The woman with the child in her womb has to stand up for that voiceless in her womb. Unless woman stand up for a woman how else do we expect a man to stand. After marriage when we go to homes of relatives and pay respect to elders many have blessed me may you have a son. I had always felt uncomfortable with it. Somewhere in me that rebel had refused to accept those blessings. I have always wondered why people couldn't bless may you be blessed with a healthy child irrespective of the gender. The woman who doesn't want a daughter devalues herself.

@Ramya you are right. There are enough woman who want material comfort and will do anything to get that. These women feed the ego of men like Ravan. They are as much a bane to society as men like Ravan. Sorry to bring EHT once again. But it was one soap where you could see when a woman who walked for her rights is able to liberate many women from the shackles the society has put on them. And I still love that dialogue from Nithya to Sakshi ( mother of the rapist Shaurya who protects him). More than the man girls have to be afraid of women like you who protects a criminal son. The show clearly showed when right women come together change does happen the right way and the right man gets the limelight not the criminals.


Shruti, you're right. In fact this is exactly what happened in that episode. The D-I-L fought for her rights with a friend who was an NGO and the police helped them to catch the culprits. But, this is only possible if every woman stands up to fight for her self respect. When I was pregnant my in-laws were waiting for a day but I got a son and during my second child they were literally pleading me to give birth to a daughter.

I watched EHT and agree with you that inspite of parents being aware that their son is a criminal still they have the audacity to protect him at all costs.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Jaya: Yes, in a way Lord Shiva and Indra were the reason for Ravan's ego for bhakth and mighty power but did all who got Shiva blessings/boon had such arrogance and pride over their qualities?

We know about bhasmasura who got the boon from Shiva who in turn wanted to use against shiva. There also, its Vishnu who came as a saviour. Here in Ramayan, Vishnu had to end the 2nd birth of dwarabalak, so Lord Shiva granted the boon to Ravan. Otherwise there is no need for Vishnu to come and end the life of ordinary evil spirit. The antagonist should be equally qualified as protagonist, so that the hero who defeat him can be praised for his skill.

@Shruthi: I made the post w/o seeing ur eg bhasmasura. What a matching wavelength we have😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Ramya, by and large all the asuras were the great devotees of Shiva. Just imagine what would have been the level of Bhakthi of Ravan's mother who could prepare a shivling by using just the sand and do Abhishek and all, and still it never gave away (collapsed due to water & milk poured during Abhishek).
As we have heard that death doesn't happen without reason means yama being the custodian of Dharma will not take away anyone's life without a reason. And he never tried to take away the lives of Shiv bhakta's unless, Shiv give way for him to do his duty otherwise he had to go through Shiv ji , we have known the of Markandeya where Lord Shiv has to make amends with Yamaraj. hence it is better to give away some boon and boost the ego of his bhakth's so as to make them falter and then give reason for their downfall and end. So if not for his boosted ego, Ravan would not have been defeated by any.
Had it not been fro his ego that he is the great Shiv Bhakth and it is better to have the Shiv Dhanish with him (the great ruler) & in his country than With king Janak who rules a comparatively smaller province. So at that moment his main interest was to gain the Bow and not Sita as he was not a spinster to dream about a girl. Even later, if he was ill at nature and wanted to avenge Sita for his failure in Swayamvar, he could have donated her to any of his brothers or children (the way Bhishma did with Amba, Ambhike & Ambhalike)and there wa sno need fro him to wait for her consent to have her (about the bane given by Nalkubher).
I don't think his intention was to have Sita for him but to show to Ram that he could take away his wife under his nose and Ram could not take care of his own wife of whom he won through the Swayamvar by breaking the Shiv Dhanush.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Jaya: ur words " by and large all the asuras were the great devotees of Shiva."
This is like enzyme -protein equation, all enzymes are protein but all proteins are not enzymes. Likewise, mostly all asuras are shiva bhakth but not all shiva bhakth are asuras

I accept that unless a multi-skilled person thinks himself/herself as superior and have pride they can't be easily destroyed because their ahankar is quite enough for destruction.


ur quotes "I don't think his intention was to have Sita for him but to show to Ram that he could take away his wife under his nose and Ram could not take care of his own wife of whom he won through the Swayamvar by breaking the Shiv Dhanush."

Though I differ in this aspect, I like the way u interpreted it.
Edited by Ramyalaxmi - 9 years ago

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