Symbolism of Lord Shiva

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Posted: 9 years ago
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We saw the worship of Lord Shiva in Ayodhya, Mithila and in Lanka as shown in SKR. In Ayodhya, Sumitra did pooja to Shiva Linga, in Mithila, King Janak and all worshipped Lord Shiva in human meditating form and in Lanka, Ravan and his followers worshipped Nataraja. Why the same god shown as worshipped in different forms?

I read about Lord Shiva and his forms before commenting here. Yes, the hero of the story is the supreme and he/she is worshipped by all others. So I don't want to go into the story of Linga rupa from Maharishi Bhrigu or Brahma-Vishnu fight. Yes, for me brahma and Vishnu are not immatured to fight. Just let us leave aside and focus on the topic of concern.

I have few reasoning for such a difference in the portrayal of Lord Shiva.

Linga Rupa: Linga in Sanskrit means symbol or sign. In Shvetasvatara Upanishad, Lord Shiva was shown has no linga, symbol. Shiva linga image denoted the Union of shiva and shakthi which is the highest state of existence. Shivalinga represents the Ultimate reality, the Brahman, the Paramatman.

-> So Sumitra from Kasi, worshipped Lord Shiva in Linga rupa (while everyone worshipped Lord MahaVishnu) who got the divya dharshan of Vishnu in Ram.

Meditating Rupa: The ultimate supreme power is represented as none other than a normal human being in deep meditation. His trisul represents three gunas, Moon in his head indicates that he controlled the mind, flow of Ganga signifies the nectar of immortality, wearing the skin of elephant shows that he has controlled his pride, sitting on tiger's skin indicates that He has conquered lust, wearing of serpents denotes wisdom and eternity, third eye is the symbol of wisdom.

-> Rajarishi Janak worshipped Lord Shiva in human form with control over all itchas. One thing, they missed Goddess Shakthi (Sita asked for Gauri matha statue but they didn't show it yet). Yes, Janak lead a life of rishi who realized the truth of life and saw god in each and every human being.

Nataraj Rupa: Lord Shiva adopted the form of Sri Nataraja - the Lord of Dance and performed the cosmic dance of Tandava. He performed the dance to suppress the immortal demon Apasmara by crushing him with his right foot. Here Lord Shiva is shown with the power of destroyer. Though he involved in destruction of evil only, the symbol of nataraj is expressing the mighty power.

-> Ravan believed in his mighty power than his knowledge. Though he mentioned himself as a great Shiva bhakth, his bhakthi was proved by his mighty power. So he was shown as one who worshipped Lord Shiva in Nataraj rupa.

Note: This is just my POV. My understanding of Lord Shiva is very limited, so I am open to accept any different perspective for the same.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Wow thank you for sharing these amazing facts about different rupad of Lord shiva.
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There is also other symbolism attached why the 3 forms of same lord is depicting in SKr
Mithila is all agricultural holder i mean if we compare it to tpdays engroosing industries to mithila is an agricultural sector where human are well coneected with human and nature and thhats why...SHIVA is being worship in human medidation form...it depicts human peace and human greatness...😊

Ayodhya--is the teriitory sector--where war and wepons are used and moreover...at raghukul...They are merely connected to roots...i mean people ..it was rama who turned...and revised all old norms but that the different thing...ans as it belonging to territory sector where there is no form of ...anything..Shiva is established as😊 lingaa..

Lanka--belongs to Technology sector--the first ever----flying aeroplane the world discover is of PUSPAK VIVAAN--which is raavans whole kingdom-it not just aeroplan its a home of ravvan...so yay Lanka was more advanced in technology...and as Ravvan was a mystro veena player and a IMMENSE TANDAV dancer...and also Natraj reflects...Shiva in his immense rudra avaatar...as its highly depicts Ravvana nature..so Natraj is bing worship there,,

though it is not wriiten anywhere ..in ouranas about 3 forms worshipping in different ...kul..is the beauty of SKR to bring the symbolisim so beautifully one can easily discrimate btw MITHILA,,,AYODHA AND LANKA--
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: antika11412



Ayodhya--is the teriitory sector--where war and wepons are used and moreover...at raghukul...They are merely connected to roots...i mean people ..it was rama who turned...and revised all old norms but that the different thing...ans as it belonging to territory sector where there is no form of ...anything..Shiva is established as😊 lingaa..



In SKR, only Sumitra worshipped linga the brahma rupa of Lord Shiva whereas everyone worshipped maha vishnu the vishwaroopa, so I differ in this aspect that not the representation of ayodhya was no form of god worship.

Yes, what made me make the post is based on how SKR projected the mind set in different places. Its the CV's beauty of portrayal.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@blue - my thoughts...

Originally posted by: Ramyalaxmi


That is indeed a very interesting topic ...
thanks for the effort you have taken and corelated them ... 👏 ... The skr platform is turning out to very illuminating as i learn something new everyday from many gifted writers here... would add my thoughts too...

We saw the worship of Lord Shiva in Ayodhya, Mithila and in Lanka as shown in SKR. In Ayodhya, Sumitra did pooja to Shiva Linga, in Mithila, King Janak and all worshipped Lord Shiva in human meditating form and in Lanka, Ravan and his followers worshipped Nataraja. Why the same god shown as worshipped in different forms?

I read about Lord Shiva and his forms before commenting here. Yes, the hero of the story is the supreme and he/she is worshipped by all others. So I don't want to go into the story of Linga rupa from Maharishi Bhrigu or Brahma-Vishnu fight. Yes, for me brahma and Vishnu are not immatured to fight. Just let us leave aside and focus on the topic of concern.

will just put a perspective here... there is also a refrence that Linga has three parts that signifies 'Satya,' 'knyana' and 'Ananta' - Truth(vishnu), knowledge(brahma) and Infinite bliss (shiva). and linga itself as omnipresent or the supremeness...


I have few reasoning for such a difference in the portrayal of Lord Shiva.

Linga Rupa: Linga in Sanskrit means symbol or sign. In Shvetasvatara Upanishad, Lord Shiva was shown has no linga, symbol. Shiva linga image denoted the Union of shiva and shakthi which is the highest state of existence. Shivalinga represents the Ultimate reality, the Brahman, the Paramatman.

-> So Sumitra from Kasi, worshipped Lord Shiva in Linga rupa (while everyone worshipped Lord MahaVishnu) who got the divya dharshan of Vishnu in Ram.

beautifully put...

Meditating Rupa: The ultimate supreme power is represented as none other than a normal human being in deep meditation. His trisul represents three gunas, Moon in his head indicates that he controlled the mind, flow of Ganga signifies the nectar of immortality, wearing the skin of elephant shows that he has controlled his pride, sitting on tiger's skin indicates that He has conquered lust, wearing of serpents denotes wisdom and eternity, third eye is the symbol of wisdom.

-> Rajarishi Janak worshipped Lord Shiva in human form with control over all itchas. One thing, they missed Goddess Shakthi (Sita asked for Gauri matha statue but they didn't show it yet). Yes, Janak lead a life of rishi who realized the truth of life and saw god in each and every human being.

@Italics 👏👏..



Nataraj Rupa: Lord Shiva adopted the form of Sri Nataraja - the Lord of Dance and performed the cosmic dance of Tandava. He performed the dance to suppress the immortal demon Apasmara by crushing him with his right foot. Here Lord Shiva is shown with the power of destroyer. Though he involved in destruction of evil only, the symbol of nataraj is expressing the mighty power.

-> Ravan believed in his mighty power than his knowledge. Though he mentioned himself as a great Shiva bhakth, his bhakthi was proved by his mighty power. So he was shown as one who worshipped Lord Shiva in Nataraj rupa.


would just add a few here.. the ring around the natraj pose signifie s the cosmos ...the cosmic dance also represents liberalization.. by supressing the demon... who symbolize arrogance and ignorance...and irony is that its ravana who is worshipping failed to see this aspect and learn humility...


again it also represents that though the guru or the god might try to impart wisdom but yet its upto the student to realize it and adher it.. mostly we see what we wish to see...


this is just my pov ...

1.The natraj pose is the starting where the first step a man take towards oneness with the supreme to liberate from the cosmic cycle of life and death is to suppress the ignorance or arrogance ...

it could be done in two ways

either through devotion or bakthi as sumitra represents who could realize the supremeness through bakthi

or through meditation the dhyaan maarg like janak does...




Note: This is just my POV. My understanding of Lord Shiva is very limited, so I am open to accept any different perspective for the same.

Edited by prav2 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Very beautiful post Ramya and very informative too. I had never observed that difference in SKR. But this post of you reminded me of something which I left half way a year back because the condition in that forum never allowed me to put forth these observations. So out of my curiosity to know more about it I am putting it in your thread, whether what I had observed is a phenomenon in Kerala alone or is it like that in other places as I have not visited many Shiva temples or Devi temples outside Kerala. Vague memory of Kali ghat in Calcutta.
So will come to my point. It was while watching EHT in SP I correlated that story to the Mahisasura Mardanam of mythology. It was like that. And the show ran a love story parallel to it and it didn't take me long to connect the same to Sati-Mahadev-Parvati love story symbolically 😉. Since the leading lady of the show was Durga, Parvati's destructive roop I knew that till the antagonist is put behind bars the relation between Durga and Dev will be platonic irrespective of being married. Together yet distant. It was then I had noted in temples in Kerala that wherever Shiva's temple is there, Parvati is accorded a similar temple behind him. Similar way wherever the Goddess is worshipped as Parvati or any of the benevolent forms of Goddess, Shiva will be given a similar temple behind her.
But the interesting part was in temples like Chottanikkara, Attukal where the Goddess is worshipped in her Rowdra avatar we can see mostly Shiva temple placed to the right and in some cases left. Rather they are side by side.
Any idea why the placement is like this. Have anyone observed Shiva temples more closely. Have see it like this outside Kerala also. I would really like to know about this difference in placement especially when the Goddess is in Kali roop.
When EHT was running I couldn't discuss such things as the forum was not conducive of such discussions. But here there are many people who have knowledge in such things.
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago
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Lord Siva as the Cosmic Dancer Nataraj represents the rhythmic movement of the entire cosmos. Ananad, Rudra, Sandhya, Samhara etc are varieties of his Tandav nritya. At the end of his Tandav, Lord Shiva beats his Damaru 14 times, creating 14 different sound patterns. Which are called 'Maheshwara sutra", which forms basic structure of Sanskrit grammer. His Damaru represents all words the Sanskrit alphabets, grammer, words, the entire Sanskrit language. We can say, the "Shabda Brhman", Naad Brhman representing all forms of Art, Science is under his control. He is the creator of them. Damaru in his hand represents the entire creation of Art & Science is result of his play.
Lord Shiva's various forms of Tandav indicates, the ryjthm of birth & death is going on in our daily life too.
The circle of fire is indication of Consciousness. Whenever he dances, consciousness is awakened. While dancing he creates immense energy that results in creating many patterns, which menifests into different things.
It's not easy to understand Lord Shiva. Just surrendering to him opens up many closed avenue.

Ravan was a scholar. Master of many forms of Art & Science. Being Lord Shiva's bhakta, was blessed by the technology. He was much ahead of his time in knowledge.
He earned them due to his tough penance & hard work. But using them in wrong manner, resulted in his down fall & ultimately his death.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: prav2

will just put a perspective here... there is also a refrence that Linga has three parts that signifies 'Satya,' 'knyana' and 'Ananta' - Truth(vishnu), knowledge(brahma) and Infinite bliss (shiva). and linga itself as omnipresent or the supremeness...

would just add a few here.. the ring around the natraj pose signifie s the cosmos ...the cosmic dance also represents liberalization.. by supressing the demon... who symbolize arrogance and ignorance...and irony is that its ravana who is worshipping failed to see this aspect and learn humility...

again it also represents that though the guru or the god might try to impart wisdom but yet its upto the student to realize it and adher it.. mostly we see what we wish to see...

this is just my pov ...

1.The natraj pose is the starting where the first step a man take towards oneness with the supreme to liberate from the cosmic cycle of life and death is to suppress the ignorance or arrogance ...

it could be done in two ways

either through devotion or bakthi as sumitra represents who could realize the supremeness through bakthi

or through meditation the dhyaan maarg like janak does...

Thank you prav2.

@bold: well said. CV's nicely projected how each one view the same god. Yes, the cosmic connection signified by nataraj posture is well explained in Chidambaram temple. Agree ur view.

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@ shruthi, Shiv-Shakti are worshipped together. Their devotees mainly being Grihastha or sansaik. Among all trinty only Shivji is seen with his family-The Shiv Parivar. Their families pics & idols are worshipped at home& temples.
About Ma Durga, she was invoked for a purpose. In her raudra form, she kills Asuras. In he saumya form she protects her devotees. For home worship, generally, saumya murties are prefered.
Simillarly Ma Kali took this form to kill Asuras like Raktabeej, who couldnt be killed otherwise. In this form she is so independant that to stop her Shivji slept in her way. While walking ahead, she stepped on his cheast. On realising this her toungue came out of surprise.
Ma Shakti takes various forms as per reuqirement, even Lord Shiva tunes himself accordingly to be with her. Hence their different placement in various places as per the belief system of that place.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Shruthi: Thank you. Yes, I have seen Sri Maha Prathyangira Devi temple in Chennai where the main goddess Prathyangira is in the center and Lord sharabeshwara is in the side. Mostly I have noticed that Shiva and Shakthi (in any form shatvik or rudhra) are placed isolated. Here the Prathyangira is said to have destroyed Sarabeshwara's arrogance. So they are placed apart.
Yes, u r right, even I have seen temples where the kali is separated from shiva. What I feel is from the stories, the asuras killed by kali are the ones who got boons from Shiva. So they can't reside together in those form. Its just my POV.

By the way, what is EHT? Is it mytho? Why the forum restricted from discussion?


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