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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Mano I never criticized CvS for altering truth. I'm Just asking why don't they accept truth that they are showing fictional.if you point out any of my post quoting CVS shouldn't do fictional work, I accept my mistake and Will quit this forum. my problem isn't their creativity. Ramayana is Valmiki one. I said they can't show folklores in the name of Ramayana. in TN ,M.R.Radha'S Drama "Ramayana" banned for following Valmiki Ramayana because that was different from Kambar's. so it isn't hard to question SKR. but it's unnecessary. people do have choices to watch but they must know which is truth. it isn't pure mytho forum. That's why I said better to keep a border. I never stopped you but if you think so, it's your allusion. I said some mythological lovers couldn't/won't love this show. if they post like "How people can like this show while Ramayana is such a epic", there won't be peace in the forum. can't we run this forum peacefully without hurting/questioning other's opinions and choices while we both parties have strong belief in our PoVs respectively.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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aditi.I never said they shouldn't show Sita pov or someone POV. perhaps, From the beginning of Ramayana, there were few scholars believed Bharath had more virtue than Ram and even now there are few believing it. it's debatable. That's different. In fact , in Ramayana Ram himself astonishied with Hanuman brave and intelligence. there are scholars believing other characters than Ram. but I seen few of them analyzed based on Ramayana , not on street fictions.I'm ardent lover of Lord Ram but me too don't like few actions of him. Ramayana Is epic. it has reasonability to obey other's POV. but it won't take responsibility for Adaptations. in SPK,Karn character glorified much. but people watching calmly. it's universal truth soaps and movies based on character never shows original. except Valmiki Ramayana, other's are not truth. Is it wrong to expect CVS to agree their show is fictional?as I said numerous times before, I'm not against their creativity but opposing their justification on distortions.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: iDea-yeS-viruS

@Mano I never criticized CvS for altering truth. I'm Just asking why don't they accept truth that they are showing fictional.if you point out any of my post quoting CVS shouldn't do fictional work, I accept my mistake and Will quit this forum. my problem isn't their creativity. Ramayana is Valmiki one. I said they can't show folklores in the name of Ramayana. in TN ,M.R.Radha'S Drama "Ramayana" banned for following Valmiki Ramayana because that was different from Kambar's. so it isn't hard to question SKR. but it's unnecessary. people do have choices to watch but they must know which is truth. it isn't pure mytho forum. That's why I said better to keep a border. I never stopped you but if you think so, it's your allusion. I said some mythological lovers couldn't/won't love this show. if they post like "How people can like this show while Ramayana is such a epic", there won't be peace in the forum. can't we run this forum peacefully without hurting/questioning other's opinions and choices while we both parties have strong belief in our PoVs respectively.



@bold... sorry for coming in between .. but your this statement took me by surprise as i have always thought m.r.radha as an atheist... and i remember my parent saying about some keemayana he made .. i think you are mentioning that which was banned by congress gov. if so then its not because it followed valmiki's its because it glorified ravan and decried rama... nothing against his view as all have their own rights to express their view ,... and in my view or so far i have read .. kambar may have varied from valmiki but he never decried rama ... his verses always held him in the highest regard.. for ex like vali vadh even he went further to even give like 6 explanation y rama did that...so y should be it turn into a context of kambar vs valmiki when both have contributed so much for literature and have inspired so many for ages... again this is just my perception ... just thought of sharing it not to hurt any sentiments...

FYI : source - if needed further details
http://www.outlookindia.com/article/ravana-as-antidote/206446

if you are mentioning something else than these then i'm sorry taht i have interfered
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Mano ..sorry for going off the topic...the statement took me by surprise that I forgot you were discussing vfx...TFS the article and kudos to the whole team...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: prav2

@Mano ..sorry for going off the topic...the statement took me by surprise that I forgot you were discussing vfx...TFS the article and kudos to the whole team...


No wonder u mistook it
Bcos the topic went deviated long before😆😆

It's ok,no problem😃


And like u said Mr.Radha's was banned due to political reason
you can see we have Ravan glorified movies too in Tamil
Which never got banned
there was this clash between congress nd Dravidian parties
as many were atheists
And MR Radha had tiff's with many
Even Periyar speeches were banned
But he is considered a great leader by many ,isn't
Just bcos it doesn't match our views it cant be ridiculed


If we start discussing about it it's endless
And issue becomes sensitive when religious beliefs are brought in
Even Galileo wasn't spared
Though what he said was right then
No wonder CV's get bashed😆😆
I prefer watching the show as it is
I wish to spend time on things that I like and get interested😃


Edited by -Mano- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: iDea-yeS-viruS

aditi.I never said they shouldn't show Sita pov or someone POV. perhaps, From the beginning of Ramayana, there were few scholars believed Bharath had more virtue than Ram and even now there are few believing it. it's debatable. That's different. In fact , in Ramayana Ram himself astonishied with Hanuman brave and intelligence. there are scholars believing other characters than Ram. but I seen few of them analyzed based on Ramayana , not on street fictions.I'm ardent lover of Lord Ram but me too don't like few actions of him. Ramayana Is epic. it has reasonability to obey other's POV. but it won't take responsibility for Adaptations. in SPK,Karn character glorified much. but people watching calmly. it's universal truth soaps and movies based on character never shows original. except Valmiki Ramayana, other's are not truth. Is it wrong to expect CVS to agree their show is fictional?as I said numerous times before, I'm not against their creativity but opposing their justification on distortions.



I get your point completely
That's what I am saying from long
Since the day this show started it never said it's going to be the original Ramayana
The show's name itself is Siya ke ram
If the shows name was Ramayana then it would have been wrong to make alterations ...
It said Ramayana ka andekha roop...
Infact in sbs SBB it was promoted to follow folklores instead of original text
The cvs were always clear about the concept of the show and maintained it till now
we can't accuse them every time for promising Valmiki 's Ramayana and giving something else, as they never promised

I know few people are not liking the show for few reasons but few are liking the show just for those reasons only...

Hope u understand



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Posted: 9 years ago
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@prav found this article
Since the topic is anyway diverted😆😆
will post it here

Celluloid politicians of the south

March 13, 2015 | UPDATED 17:03 IST
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The parent separatist organization in Tamil Nadu, the Dravida Kazhagam, set out its pet themes as anti-Brahmin, anti-North and anti-God. The anti-God aspect was sought to be popularized by means of tableau and playlets. The Ramayana, in particular, was a target of abuse. Rama represented northern imperialism and Ravana was the Dravida hero, reviled and abused in the epic by northern propagandists.

The DK's keen supporter, a stage and screen actor by the name of M.R. Radha staged a parody of the Ramayana (calling it Keemayana) where Rama was a drink-sodden wretch while Ravana was the repository of all the virtues. The play caused riots.

The screen became a possible medium for DK and later DMK politics during World War II when cinema audiences changed from the elite to common folk. The Brahmins monopolized the Tamil film world and almost solely depended on Hindu mythology for screen stories. These began to pall and producers wanted social themes. This was the time when the late C.N. Annadurai and former Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi turned to writing film scripts.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Prav their fight based on Arya-Dravida. so I don't want to comment about That. actually "Neethi thevan mayakkam" by Anna Durai was the first Drama questioned Rama's eligibility. yes, their perspective was different. I don't want to comment that. but problem is there is always fight for which is real Ramayana.In M.R.Radha drama, Sita taunting Ram as woman which Really existed in Ramayana. especially, Sita abduction created big problem. because in Ramayana, Sita was manhandled by Raavan. but Tulasi das and Kambar version having their own narration. Rajaji did retold of Ramayana but he didn't mention Sita Taunting anywhere.Acc to Kamba Ramayana, Raavan loved Sita that's why he didn't touch her. but in Ramayana, Raavan has lust over Sita. There are few scholars believing Kambar altered Raavan character because he was also a Dravidian. M R.Radha Drama banned because some incidents happened in Ramayana where undigested by some Hindus. Yes, I do know he was atheist. To be frank, they given more importance to Ramayana few sections.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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VFX is good in the show. And we can see the effort that the team is putting up for creating a good visual experience.
Mani Ratnam's Ravan was a super hit in Tamil and even I had watched it. And who wouldn't end up loving Raavan when Vikram plays it 😃 under the direction of an able director like Mani Ratnam with a strong screenplay. As usual controversies were there but then the movie became a hit.
So folklores have become part of Ramayana and Mahabharata and each bought out its own sweet perspective.
And I was reading Rajagopalachari's Ramayan last week. The preface says Valmiki has never created Ram as an incarnation of God, but as a compassionate prince with many worthy qualities. Divine aspects have been mentioned, but not highlighted in Valmiki Ramayana. It was later that the Divinity aspect of Ram took more prominence. And Rajagopalachari is termed as a learned person and his both Ramayana and Mahabharata are well appreciated. So if he says Valmiki has given more human qualities to Rama than divinity, so it should be having some truth in it right.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: aditi97



I get your point completely
That's what I am saying from long
Since the day this show started it never said it's going to be the original Ramayana
The show's name itself is Siya ke ram
If the shows name was Ramayana then it would have been wrong to make alterations ...
It said Ramayana ka andekha roop...
Infact in sbs SBB it was promoted to follow folklores instead of original text
The cvs were always clear about the concept of the show and maintained it till now
we can't accuse them every time for promising Valmiki 's Ramayana and giving something else, as they never promised

I know few people are not liking the show for few reasons but few are liking the show just for those reasons only...

Hope u understand



aditi OK. SBS-SBB they are agreeing folklores.if they do this in the show, I will get happy and won't interfere anymore. they are not doing it, that's why I always feel a complaint. Ramayana means Valmiki Ramayana.Ramayana ka means Valmiki Ramayana'S. they did promise, so it's their responsibility to convey what Ramayana showed.

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