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Posted: 7 years ago
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I had sympathy for her initially and have for any other woman going through that...


I do NOT like the affair she is having with kunal...No way - she is fully and openly involved in EMA - that to her savior's hubby????? with out a drop of remorse ...

I am not blaming her alone, she scores more blame as this is EMA - not only love affair...(with random guy)
AND.. he is her bff 's partner...& ...in a commitment right now...

Edited by A4Anjie - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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as a society, we tend to see things very black and white. we don't think good people have flaws and that even bad people can have some good in them. it is because it challenges our notions of neat lines. as a result, even our story lines generally have that kind of attitude. a drama like silsila instead asks viewers to look at all these players as people who may have all sorts of motivations and failings -- this can be confusing because it does not follow the neat lines pattern.

my cousin was telling me about someone he knew -- this man had a married a former prostitute. now this is really surprising as this man was from a normal family with good status. what would motivate him to do so? the story was that in the neighbourhood was a kind of escort/brothel. this woman was sold by her husband into this brothel to pay off the debt. yes, husband. and she was beaten into participating in prostitution. she came from a normal family and had some amount of education (12th pass and could speak english well and her husband actually was educated as well). she somehow escaped and came begging for help. he helped her call the police. afterwards, he got to know her and decided to marry her himself.

now if we just hear that he married a fallen woman, we would assume certain things but do we know what led to their path? the pain involved? people who see nandini as simply a fallen women category will not be able to see her pain and see it as kind of sympathy tactic. instead of seeing her as person, she has been labelled as characterless. so perhaps for some, her pain is a punishment. in order to see nandini's pain, we need to see her as a person. we need to see all these 3 characters as people who are all capable of making bad choices. does that mean their choices are right? no, it simply means they are human and as humans, we all pay for the mistakes we make. everyone one of us will make mistakes. everyone. only if we see it from that angle, would we able to see these characters as human and not get caught up in the whole ema angle. do we have to like these characters? no. do we have to agree with their choices? no. but when we see them as human, we see a drama that is far more complicated then just an affair story.


Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_


Exactly . I don't get the whole agenda behind showing this brutality ..is it done to get kunal more closer to her out of sympathy and need ? Or they want us to understand the driving force behind her cheating? In any case , any woman doesn't deserve this treatment..thats the precise reason everyone is complaining about the pace . Nandini should have dealt with rajdeep first before getting into another complicated relationship . As such, her affair is not a good news as it will go against her case . She chose rajdeep over mauli , she is the one who will face the repercussions and she chose kunal over mauli , again the repercussions are hers. I agree with angels, she is acting like a split personality case .


I know the pace is fast because we as viewers demanded Mauli's story so for that they have to end Kunal and Nandini story. Again, there is a general thought that she needs to stop crying and stand up on her own two feet but again there is some section that has a problem with that too.

I also agree that CV's have botched up certain story lines but we have to go with what they are showing as they are the storytellers.

So let for a moment consider her split personality angle. I know and agree wholeheartedly that her treatment by Rajdeep does not justify her actions with Kunal but does her relationship with Kunal justify the treatment that Rajdeep is dishing out?

@bold: From another perspective, are we saying, its OK for a thief to be beaten to death just because he steals or pr***tute to be raped just because she sells her body? Well, because there are repercussions.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: pamk06


I know the pace is fast because we as viewers demanded Mauli's story so for that they have to end Kunal and Nandini story. Again, there is a general thought that she needs to stop crying and stand up on her own two feet but again there is some section that has a problem with that too.

I also agree that CV's have botched up certain story lines but we have to go with what they are showing as they are the storytellers.

So let for a moment consider her split personality angle. I know and agree wholeheartedly that her treatment by Rajdeep does not justify her actions with Kunal but does her relationship with Kunal justify the treatment that Rajdeep is dishing out?

@bold: From another perspective, are we saying, its OK for a thief to be beaten to death just because he steals or pr***tute to be raped just because she sells her body? Well, because there are repercussions.




Please go thru my reply & then the next reply. No1 here is saying she deserves rape. Your question was y viewers r not showing enuf sympathy for Nandini & I ve clearly answered tat. You r the 1 who is linking the EMA & abuse. These r 2 separate tracks. Rajdeep's abuse & how Nandini handles it is 1 track. Nandini's affair with Kunal is another track. Its the CVs who r trying 2 mix the 2 plots in an attempt 2 soften the impact of Nandini's betrayal of Mauli. Reg consequences at least I am not saying Nandini deserves rape or abuse. I heard tat there were few such extreme posts in the forum & I definitely condemn such posts. My view is simple. Nandini is betraying Mauli by having an affair with Mauli's husband & coolly lying to Mauli as well with a straight face with no guilt. Then in another scene when she needs help against Rajdeep she calls Mauli. How can u expect a woman whom u ve betrayed to help u. This is the consequence of her action of having an affair with Kunal. I am not taking about rape, I am talking about her wish to get help from Mauli. If u decided 2 cheat ur friend then dont expect that friend 2 come 2 ur rescue when u r trouble. You need to own up for ur action & face the consequence of those actions. The consequence here is she lost a unique diamond friend like Mauli. Nandini has 2 chose between Mauli's friendship & Kunal's WHATEVER. She chose Kunal so she has to accept the consequence of that choice. This is all I meant.

P.S I was actually glad tat finally she fought in defense, called the police & took action against Rajdeep. I applaud her for that! Monsters like Rajdeep s'd b shut up in jail so that they dont harass any other woman, disgusting fellow 😡
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

as a society, we tend to see things very black and white. we don't think good people have flaws and that even bad people can have some good in them. it is because it challenges our notions of neat lines. as a result, even our story lines generally have that kind of attitude. a drama like silsila instead asks viewers to look at all these players as people who may have all sorts of motivations and failings -- this can be confusing because it does not follow the neat lines pattern.

my cousin was telling me about someone he knew -- this man had a married a former prostitute. now this is really surprising as this man was from a normal family with good status. what would motivate him to do so? the story was that in the neighbourhood was a kind of escort/brothel. this woman was sold by her husband into this brothel to pay off the debt. yes, husband. and she was beaten into participating in prostitution. she came from a normal family and had some amount of education (12th pass and could speak english well and her husband actually was educated as well). she somehow escaped and came begging for help. he helped her call the police. afterwards, he got to know her and decided to marry her himself.

now if we just hear that he married a fallen woman, we would assume certain things but do we know what led to their path? the pain involved? people who see nandini as simply a fallen women category will not be able to see her pain and see it as kind of sympathy tactic. instead of seeing her as person, she has been labelled as characterless. so perhaps for some, her pain is a punishment. in order to see nandini's pain, we need to see her as a person. we need to see all these 3 characters as people who are all capable of making bad choices. does that mean their choices are right? no, it simply means they are human and as humans, we all pay for the mistakes we make. everyone one of us will make mistakes. everyone. only if we see it from that angle, would we able to see these characters as human and not get caught up in the whole ema angle. do we have to like these characters? no. do we have to agree with their choices? no. but when we see them as human, we see a drama that is far more complicated then just an affair story.




Wrong example. Here no1 is abusing Nandini coz she walked out of her marriage. We are not like Mauli's mom judging a woman coz she left her hubby. No. Nandini is being abused because she is coolly betraying her only best friend who helped her a lot. How is this related 2 ur prostitute story. There tat was a profession she was forced into & I ll blame only the men who chose 2 visit a prostitute & not the woman who was forced into it. In fact no woman ll willingly become a prostitute. Only extreme poverty & betrayal causes human trafficking. If Rajdeep had forced Nandini into prostitution (infact he has already tried tat with tat businessman), Kunal saved her & Nandini fell for him it might make some sense. Even then its wrong to desire ur friend's hubby. But here it was Mauli who desperately searched for her friend, saved her from Rajdeep repeatedly, helped her so much. Instead of being grateful to such a friend she is happily flirting with that friend's hubby & u want us 2 try & understand her & sympathize with her? Not happening buddy! The prob with all of u Nandini supporters r again & again u guys r linking the abuse/rape with EMA. Yes Nandini was repeatedly raped (marital rape) by Rajdeep but y is Mauli being punished for that. Nandini s'd kill Rajdeep slowly savoring every moment of it. I ll b applauding the entire time. In Rajdeep's case we are all with Nandini & no1 ll question her even if she tortures him or kills him. But in Mauli's case she ll not get any sympathy from the viewers. We neutral viewers are v clearly in our stance on when 2 support Nandini (against Rajdeep) & when 2 criticize her (betraying Mauli).
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Posted: 7 years ago
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guess, we will have to agree to disagree on this because I don't see it as two separate tracks. two different tracks is when we have separate characters doing different stuff. here it is still the same person and so it is still the same story.

also, neither pamk06 or myself are on any team. not mouli, nandini or kunal. we are simply watching it for the train wreck factor. we are not nandini supporters for seeing her as human and neither are we justifying the extra marital affair. instead, am seeing what has led her to this point? what is going on? thats why I gave that example of that lady -- if we simply heard that she had been a former prostitute, we would assume certain things but if we heard her whole story, we might think differently. same with nandini -- the CVs are asking us to see what is leading her to become another woman. and part of that journey is her horrible marriage to rajdeep. if she wasn't married to rajdeep, would she still have indulge in an affair with kunal?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango_pudding1



By ur own logic if she had not had Mauli as friend would she ve befriended & got 2 know Kunal? So if being married to Rajdeep is justification to ve an affair with Kunal, being a friend of Mauli is justification NOT TO HAVE AN AFFAIR with friend's hubby.

Also what is Kunal's justification for having an affair. Remember tis was all started by him. He was the 1 who 1st approached Nandini & proposed 2 her. I dont think Mauli is abusing Kunal so wat is his justification 2 lust aft his wife's friend?

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Originally posted by: Angels11

By ur own logic if she had not had Mauli as friend would she ve befriended & got 2 know Kunal? So if being married to Rajdeep is justification to ve an affair with Kunal, being a friend of Mauli is justification NOT TO HAVE AN AFFAIR with friend's hubby.

Also what is Kunal's justification for having an affair. Remember tis was all started by him. He was the 1 who 1st approached Nandini & proposed 2 her. I dont think Mauli is abusing Kunal so wat is his justification 2 lust aft his wife's friend?



for me, rajdeep is not a side character. he is in many ways the vehicle to what landed nandini in kunal and mouli's life. if she was happily married, would mouli have invited nandini to stay in their house? but again, we are not justifying the affair. we are trying to understand whats going on. there is a huge difference in the two approaches. for me, silisla is a relationship human drama and I am watching mostly switched off.(basically killing time)

there have been several threads where a few of us have been discussing and trying to understand what would have led kunal to an attraction towards nandini. we can only guess but there are no clear answers as the CVs have not spelt it for us. perhaps, it is done so with a reason -- many affairs do happen where there are no clear cut reasons on why someone would stray. while we could give simple answers like lust, for the people hurt, that would still be insufficient. and even for onlookers, it can be frankly confusing on what happened. so silsila is in that way not that different.

Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: pamk06

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Exactly . I don't get the whole agenda behind showing this brutality ..is it done to get kunal more closer to her out of sympathy and need ? Or they want us to understand the driving force behind her cheating? In any case , any woman doesn't deserve this treatment..thats the precise reason everyone is complaining about the pace . Nandini should have dealt with rajdeep first before getting into another complicated relationship . As such, her affair is not a good news as it will go against her case . She chose rajdeep over mauli , she is the one who will face the repercussions and she chose kunal over mauli , again the repercussions are hers. I agree with angels, she is acting like a split personality case .


I know the pace is fast because we as viewers demanded Mauli's story so for that they have to end Kunal and Nandini story. Again, there is a general thought that she needs to stop crying and stand up on her own two feet but again there is some section that has a problem with that too.

I also agree that CV's have botched up certain story lines but we have to go with what they are showing as they are the storytellers.

So let for a moment consider her split personality angle. I know and agree wholeheartedly that her treatment by Rajdeep does not justify her actions with Kunal but does her relationship with Kunal justify the treatment that Rajdeep is dishing out?

@bold: From another perspective, are we saying, its OK for a thief to be beaten to death just because he steals or pr***tute to be raped just because she sells her body? Well, because there are repercussions.



Na. Nandini facing the repercussions of the decision which she made , that is, to marry rajdeep ..what I meant to say was , one wrong decision has made her life hell and now she took another very wrong decision which will never lead to happiness..how can she say that her intention is not to hurt mauli? Her intention is to keep herself happy right? I see it very similar to her previous decision which made her land in a deep pit ..and she is repeating the same mistake ..


I never meant to say that she deserves that treatment from rajdeep..I strongly condemn violence in any form .
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

as a society, we tend to see things very black and white. we don't think good people have flaws and that even bad people can have some good in them. it is because it challenges our notions of neat lines. as a result, even our story lines generally have that kind of attitude. a drama like silsila instead asks viewers to look at all these players as people who may have all sorts of motivations and failings -- this can be confusing because it does not follow the neat lines pattern.

my cousin was telling me about someone he knew -- this man had a married a former prostitute. now this is really surprising as this man was from a normal family with good status. what would motivate him to do so? the story was that in the neighbourhood was a kind of escort/brothel. this woman was sold by her husband into this brothel to pay off the debt. yes, husband. and she was beaten into participating in prostitution. she came from a normal family and had some amount of education (12th pass and could speak english well and her husband actually was educated as well). she somehow escaped and came begging for help. he helped her call the police. afterwards, he got to know her and decided to marry her himself.

now if we just hear that he married a fallen woman, we would assume certain things but do we know what led to their path? the pain involved? people who see nandini as simply a fallen women category will not be able to see her pain and see it as kind of sympathy tactic. instead of seeing her as person, she has been labelled as characterless. so perhaps for some, her pain is a punishment. in order to see nandini's pain, we need to see her as a person. we need to see all these 3 characters as people who are all capable of making bad choices. does that mean their choices are right? no, it simply means they are human and as humans, we all pay for the mistakes we make. everyone one of us will make mistakes. everyone. only if we see it from that angle, would we able to see these characters as human and not get caught up in the whole ema angle. do we have to like these characters? no. do we have to agree with their choices? no. but when we see them as human, we see a drama that is far more complicated then just an affair story.



Very nicely put and totally agree with you.👏
Yes, we have labels and with labels certain perceptions. So, as soon as, we hear or read certain words, we start seeing that person with those perceptions. All our interactions with that person or about that person is clouded with that perception.

Your story reminded me of an incident that happened with me some years back (Real story., I swear). Once on a trip, I met this couple who were very close friends of a friend. The husband was Indian and the wife Russian. As soon as, I saw them, I started wondering on their relationship, how they must have met, how they must be adjusting, are they happy, how are the parents handling it etc. While all this was going on in my head, my friend whispers to me that she was prostitute before she married him and immediately my whole perception of looking at her changed and thus my thoughts too, and the answers to my previous questions too. Being the curious human being that I am about relationships, I opened my mouth to ask them about it. Of course, my friend knew me so well, that he was waiting for me to process everything and at very moment, before I could make a fool out of myself, he burst out laughing and told me it was a prank. I was so mad at him but that whole incident was an eye opener that how one word can change how we look and perceive another person.

Similarly, sometimes it necessary to look beyond these labels. Everything is not black and white, and humans do make mistakes or bad choices. We can choose to berate them for their bad choice or take a step beyond to understand what prompted them to do that. We do not have to agree with their choices, we might even think they are inherently selfish beings, but it was their mistake to make and their choice on how they want to repent. I guess we are so used to seeing on ITV that good people never fall and bad people never rise, its difficult to see good people making such grave mistakes at every turn.

Its an EMA story but more than that its a very complicated story of three characters and how their choices can change a course of life. CV's are weaving the threads tighter with every episode thus creating that "train wreck" which will happen with every thread that opens up. Now I guess, we will able to see how love though beautiful can destruct years-old family ties and friendship leaving nothing in its path but just devastation.

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