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I had this little story going on inside my head, about what it is that made Kunal fall for Nandini, all thanks to Pamk06 who raised some interesting points in her posts recently. I'd have posted this there, but it turned out to be too darn long, so I thought it's better to make a new topic.


The point that she raised was that, marriages often start out on a happy note and with a lot of love between the couple. But with time, the challenges of daily life start taking a toll on the them, sometimes in ways that they themselves don't realize, with the result that they fail to identify the inadequacies and shortcomings in their relationship and continue to believe that they are happy. And then one day, something happens that make them realize what it is that they have been missing all this while, and the relationship that they shared till then becomes lacklustre in their eyes all of a sudden.


Another way of looking at it would be, that sometimes we go about living our lives with a set of beliefs about what makes us truly happy, and then suddenly come face-to-face with something that starts challenging those beliefs and eventually maybe even changing them.


Here, Kunal grew up in a happy household under the guidance of strong willed and opinionated women like his mother and grandmother. In one of the episodes, they had mentioned about Kunal playing with dolls in his childhood, and I believe this was to emphasize on the point that his parents have never enforced stereotypical gender roles on him, and that they have made a conscious effort to keep him away from toxic masculinity.

He was taught to treat people with respect, irrespective of their gender.


No doubt, he did grow up to become a liberal, progressive man and I think it's safe to assume that he must have envisioned a strong, independent woman as his life partner. Since Mauli fit the bill perfectly, it would have been natural for him to fall in love with her.


And it wasn't a weak sort of love. They have developed trust and understanding, and even after settling into their routine life, their love was shown to be in tact.


Kunal was truly proud of who his wife was, both professionally and personally and he never shied away from showing it either. We have seen him celebrating Mauli's success whole heartedly, and we have seen him pampering her with love and care.


Whenever Mauli compromised on their couple time, his annoyance never lasted long. He never turns it into a bitter argument and leave it to fester. He may have wanted her to cook and serve him his favourite food and even take care to dress according to his taste more often. (Going by Mauli's statements on why Kunal would have liked Nandini) But being a doctor himself, he knows the demands of her profession, and after working long hours, he knows, it would be impractical and frankly insensitive of him to expect her to do all of that. And knowing Mauli's passion for her work, he can never resent her for that. His belief system doesn't allow that. So, with some adjustments and compromises, he truly believed himself to be happy.


That's why when Pamk06 first mentioned about inadequacies in his marriage that he could be unhappy about, I countered it immediately, because I was looking for tangible evidence in the form of bitter, unresolved arguments, practical problems where both have polar opposite views making it impossible for them to reach a resolution, monologues that hinted on brewing resentment.etc.


But that was not the case here. Kunal truly believed himself to be happy because his belief system told him he was doing the right thing . But your belief system telling you to be happy and you actually being happy are two different things. I'm sure we all have experienced this conflicting state at different times in our lives, at least I have. You know it is the right thing, everyone around you tells you it's great, they are happy for you... blah blah.. It rubs off on you, you go about your day feeling happy and thankful for whatever it is that you have in your life, and yet in the silence of the night, in those few minutes before you slip into sleep, when you are completely with yourself, you don't feel that happiness. It is a fleeting feeling that we often ignore or we don't have the time to dig into, and then a new day comes and you are again too busy to worry about it.


What I am trying to say is that, it is possible that Kunal was going through something like this. And that's when a beautiful woman called Nandini walks into his life. He saves her from difficult situations a couple of times, not knowing that she was his wife's estranged friend. His goodness and humanity propelled him to do things for her, which he would have done for any other girl in that situation.


But after he came to know that Nandini was Mauli's friend, naturally there was an additional reason for him to do things for her. Mauli also (sometimes quite annoyingly) made sure that he was as involved as her in helping Nandini out of her situation. But it was after Nandini came to live with them, this silent communication of sorts started between Kunal and Nandini.


Mauli worried for Nandini constantly and in her over enthusiasm to make everything alright, she wanted to do everything to get Nandini out of the wretched life that she was living. Not that she was doing anything wrong, she did more than what even families would do, but her concern and care can be a little overwhelming. Kunal on the other hand , had a more restrained approach and displayed a silent understanding, a rare sensitivity to Nandini's situation and her feelings, that probably struck a chord with Nandini. In return, he was probably struck by the gratitude and vulnerability that reflected in Nandini's eyes. It must have been a new experience for him. To him, she was polar opposite to his wife in personality and demeanor and yet he found himself understanding her in a way that no one else did, and with no exchange of words involved.


He was probably thrilled by this facet of his own personality that Nandini was bringing to the fore and the gratitude in her eyes was probably giving him a high, a rare kind of happiness. (Crudely put, an ego booster?) Something that he may not have experienced much with Mauli. Mauli is a confident go-getter, that is not to say that she did not need Kunal emotionally. She did ! She fought her own battles during the day, but when she came home she needed him. She needed that constant reassurance and support from him.


We have seen Mauli worrying about not being able to do little things for him. And she tries to compensate for it by doing the more bigger, tangible and practical things for him. Kunal was always appreciatve of all that and was quick to reassure her whenever he sensed Mauli was feeling guilty of not being able to do enough for him. But maybe, just maybe, he would have appreciated the smaller things more. And Nandini probably made him realize this.


If I have to romanticize this a bit , I would say that Mauli wants to conquer the world for him, while Nandini wants to surrender her world to him. For Mauli, Kunal is the best husband in the world, but for Nandini, Kunal is her world. And I have to give credit to Dhrashti here. Though I'm not a fan of her dialogue delivery, (too scripted and too daily soapish for my taste at times), her extremely expressive eyes more than make up for it. The makers could pull off this silent communication thing between them, primarily due to Dhrashti's eyes. A combination of gratitude+you are my world emotion reflecting in her eyes is what Kunal is high on (not kheer induced - sorry 😃)

This coupled with an intense physical attraction (controversial rain dance *ahem ahem*😉) is probably what threw him off course.


Ideally, I would have wanted this silent communication to make way for more meaningful conversations, and paralelley, Nandini undergoing counselling, building her self-confidence and rediscovering herself, before he falls for her so irrevocably. Because the guy really doesn't know much about her. I am sure there is more to Nandini that just cooking and dancing and dressing up, which the makers have highlighted in a way that does not really impress me. But thats all water under the bridge now, and we have a much in love Kunal to deal with now.


I am not going into the whole realization phase, as this is just an attempt to get some insight and logic into what it is that made him fall for Nandini in the first place, when he already has a loving wife and a happy marriage.


Now, having said all of this, which I now realize may come across as glossy, the practical woman in me that, honestly, identifies more with Mauli's character, want to really scoff at it. Because, crudely put, it is just Kunal realizing that he was not really a man of modern times as he was conditioned to believe and would prefer a shy, demure and homely woman who would make him the center of her universe.


But at the same time I can't crucify him for it (for cheating - yes) because that is what makes him happy and Nandini is willingly doing all of this, without him asking for it. Because if he was, then his marriage with Mauli would not have survived. He is not an oppressor like Rajdeep, he is simply choosing what makes him happy. It does not make him a bad man, just a rather unimpressive man, and by extension, it makes this story a rather unimpressive one.


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Well analysed post dear
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One thing of the post caught me "Mauli conquers the world for Kunal""Nandini Surrending her world to kunal"I don't think surrendering their world would mean to stay/spend the time with the loved person 24/7.Because its people's need to earn their bread and butter.So the situation demands the people to do their job for living.And also Kunal also can't stay/ spend the time with someone whole day for too long.He also need to go to job in future for his bread and butter.Nandini was cooking in Mauli's house as she had no other job and also she likes to cook , but not for satisfying family members.


Mauli took the whole responsibility on her for their financial needs.She is doing it even after kunal craving to stay/spend more time with her as she needs to earn for living for both of them..He clearly aware of it. Regarding showing gratitude ,Mauli showed gratitude so many times when he helped Nandini on her behalf as he took her responsibility while she was busy in her job.Simply bcz she is not spending whole day with him satisfying his food desires etc it doesn't mean Mauli didn't surrender her world.Mauli whole life revolves around Kunal i mean she is doing extra work for giving him a clinic as a surprise (ofcourse its other point he not know it but we knew right)t means she goes to any extent to give what he wants but in her own way.Her intention implies she surrender everything i mean her time( by looking after his family and earning money for both of them),her love,her body,her soul everything to Kunal.Actually it is the one which comes under Surrendering their world to someone.She left her parents after marriage with Kunal .so she /any wife leave most important ones in their life to stay with their husband.She committed her everything to Kunal.


Regarding Nandini,if we assume Kunal go to his job in future for earning,what she will do.As she is not able to earn,she have to look after house,so she cooks and do other house hold work.But if Kunal pay maids for everything.Nandini would take cooking as she likes it,and she start cooking and dancing classes.So she also would get busy in something,she is not going to surrender her whole time to Kunal.So in that way Mauli and Nandini or any woman is not different.If Nandini comes across someone who is domestic abuse victim wouldn't she spare her time to help her as she already went through that?Ofcourse she may.So if she do that,it doesn't meant that her world is not surrending only to Kunal.Basically surrending our whole world to someone means we dedicating/commiting our life and our eve rything to someone.So in that way Mauli is doing it more than any one at this point.


Regarding "Conquering the whole world for someone".In a way at this point until now I Nandini is the one actually doing it i think.She doesn't care about anyone including people important to her in her life when it is about kunal.She go to any extent even hurting Mauli for Kunal.In a wierd way this "conquering whole world "statement would suit Nandini more.In other way i feel she is doing it not even for Kunal,she is doing it for herself.As she needs a companion in her life who keeps her happy and give respect to her.As he is ready to provide all that to her she is doing what he asks like making kheer,Wearing saree which he chooses for her etc.,..If i give it a thought again, i feel If she is such a person who surrender her whole world to Kunal she would have think atleast once that how this affair is going to get affect kunal in future.If we love someone we would have think what gives them happiness in the long run.She didn't even think once how kunal life is going to get terrible due to this affair. I mean if it makes the loved one cheat their family behind their back,lose respect in the society,makes the person unfaithful she would have tried to talk about this instead of making kheer,decorating herself,text messaging secretly behind his wife's back.


Idk whether i had put clearly what i want to say 😆.I am not good at words😆.
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in short kunal had a hidden inferiority complex due to mauli , mom,dida.
Nandini gives him superiority complex ,making him feel like he is the man,because she herself lacks confidence.
Very nicely put.
Still Ema is a No No


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I do get wat u r trying 2 say. But I still c tat only as Kunal's weakness. If he has a hero complex or superiority complex & his ego is not pampered by Mauli, I think its a weakness in his character. Also I still find it weird tat even if wat u say is true how come he was happy with Mauli for so many yrs (I dont know exactly how long Kunal & Mauli are married). In these yrs dint he meet some1 similar to Nandini. Coy, shy, traditional. So how come he fell only for Nandini. As I mentioned this is where the CVs bungled. I can accept the premise that ppl fall out of love & fall in love with another person. But here no proper groundwork was done 2 lead into that event. In KANK where u ve similar 2 unlikeable, whiny characters the pacing was realistic. Dev & Maya meet, get 2 know each other, feel a connect, become friends & slowly tat turns into attraction. Here I dont c any such conversations or friendship between Kunal & Nandini. 1 day they hardly know each other & then 1 day BHAM CVs claim they r in love.
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Super like the post..none of the three characters are.perfect and nobody is perfect . If kunal is looking for certain qualities in nandini, nandini won't have qualities like mauli so he will miss them too . For now , I don't think kunal deserves any kind of understanding . He and nandini ..adjectives will fall short for them ..I can't think of any reasoning right now ..whatever may he the problem between them, mauli did nothing yo deserve this betrayal ..

I never understood what kind of love people crave for ..I have seen cases where people are cheating their partners/ divorcing in love marriage / break ups..."Being in love" phase is all about fantasies and seeing nothing wrong in the other person and max times they don't know what they want ..end result is heartbreak ..Real love is when two people share a life and are able to do so with all the speed breakers that come their way..I am in love is not a reason to celebrate ,it does gives you a momentary high ..with time if it fades off, Kya love ?


And for me, kunal and nandinis bad karma will start affecting them from this moment . Their bad karma is the collateral damage caused to others and their guilt . Where is the humanity in humans ?

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Originally posted by: SummerRain7

I had this little story going on inside my head, about what it is that made Kunal fall for Nandini, all thanks to Pamk06 who raised some interesting points in her posts recently. I'd have posted this there, but it turned out to be too darn long, so I thought it's better to make a new topic.

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Now, having said all of this, which I now realize may come across as glossy, the practical woman in me that, honestly, identifies more with Mauli's character, want to really scoff at it. Because, crudely put, it is just Kunal realizing that he was not really a man of modern times as he was conditioned to believe and would prefer a shy, demure and homely woman who would make him the center of her universe.


But at the same time I can't crucify him for it (for cheating - yes) because that is what makes him happy and Nandini is willingly doing all of this, without him asking for it. Because if he was, then his marriage with Mauli would not have survived. He is not an oppressor like Rajdeep, he is simply choosing what makes him happy. It does not make him a bad man, just a rather unimpressive man, and by extension, it makes this story a rather unimpressive one.


Please feel free to share your thoughts and comments. However, please refrain from using abusive language.



if anyone is curious to read the thread and pamk06 response that summerrain7 is referring to:
https://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5022574&TPN=5
(page 5, just go down -- also the discussions have been very entertaining; so check out from page 1 if you haven't already...)

sorry for cutting your post short but I just wanted to respond to the part in bold --
and your whole post was well thought and written. :)

in today's times, there are so many restrictions on how some things are not fashionable. for example, even at work, a woman expressing that she wants to get married and have a family is seen as a negative. either it is because she is seen as a liability or as not a modern woman.

I wish I was making this up but in an interview, a man had the nerve to tell me that women should not be hired because all they do is get married, then get pregnant and then take off after getting maternity leave. why? because I had dared to ask beyond what he was offering. I was too stunned to even respond. I also can't tell you in how many interviews and HRs calling, they ask "are you married? why not? are your parents looking?" -- how is this even related to a job? how can they ask? if I do want to get married, why would they look down on me in a job setting?

but it is like that. kunal may have wanted a more demure and traditional wife but how is that wrong? no offense to the character of mouli but she would be splendid with a non-traditional independent personality who has zero interest in the details and would prefer someone bossy who does things for him so that he can just concentrate on his aspiration like being a wildlife photographer. but back to kunal, like you said, he may convinced himself he was happy but in the still of the night, there may have been a bit of doubt.

we all have different needs and often we ourselves may not be aware of them or we may not be aware of how important this need till a situation arises. for example if truth and honesty is a big thing for you, even a small act of disrepute can be unbearable even if others think that is perfectly acceptable. had this alliance where the guy lied about his qualifications. he added himself a master's degree. the guy as well as the marriage bureau thought it was a perfectly acceptable white lie. all of us in our family disagreed because we felt it was a lack of honour. now are we being too dogmatic? too strict after all this is life? for us, it wasn't tolerable and no amount of anyone saying it was okay would make it so.

similarly, for many men as well as women, a demure and cooking wife who makes him the centre of the universe may seem like regressive but for some men, they want someone who can express their protective instinct to. whether or not we agree, that does seem to be need rather than an attitude for some.
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Originally posted by: ...Nihara...

One thing of the post caught me "Mauli conquers the world for Kunal""Nandini Surrending her world to kunal"I don't think surrendering their world would mean to stay/spend the time with the loved person 24/7.Because its people's need to earn their bread and butter.So the situation demands the people to do their job for living.And also Kunal also can't stay/ spend the time with someone whole day for too long.He also need to go to job in future for his bread and butter.Nandini was cooking in Mauli's house as she had no other job and also she likes to cook , but not for satisfying family members.



Mauli took the whole responsibility on her for their financial needs.She is doing it even after kunal craving to stay/spend more time with her as she needs to earn for living for both of them..He clearly aware of it. Regarding showing gratitude ,Mauli showed gratitude so many times when he helped Nandini on her behalf as he took her responsibility while she was busy in her job.Simply bcz she is not spending whole day with him satisfying his food desires etc it doesn't mean Mauli didn't surrender her world.Mauli whole life revolves around Kunal i mean she is doing extra work for giving him a clinic as a surprise (ofcourse its other point he not know it but we knew right)t means she goes to any extent to give what he wants but in her own way.Her intention implies she surrender everything i mean her time( by looking after his family and earning money for both of them),her love,her body,her soul everything to Kunal.Actually it is the one which comes under Surrendering their world to someone.She left her parents after marriage with Kunal .so she /any wife leave most important ones in their life to stay with their husband.She committed her everything to Kunal.


Regarding Nandini,if we assume Kunal go to his job in future for earning,what she will do.As she is not able to earn,she have to look after house,so she cooks and do other house hold work.But if Kunal pay maids for everything.Nandini would take cooking as she likes it,and she start cooking and dancing classes.So she also would get busy in something,she is not going to surrender her whole time to Kunal.So in that way Mauli and Nandini or any woman is not different.If Nandini comes across someone who is domestic abuse victim wouldn't she spare her time to help her as she already went through that?Ofcourse she may.So if she do that,it doesn't meant that her world is not surrending only to Kunal.Basically surrending our whole world to someone means we dedicating/commiting our life and our eve rything to someone.So in that way Mauli is doing it more than any one at this point.


Regarding "Conquering the whole world for someone".In a way at this point until now I Nandini is the one actually doing it i think.She doesn't care about anyone including people important to her in her life when it is about kunal.She go to any extent even hurting Mauli for Kunal.In a wierd way this "conquering whole world "statement would suit Nandini more.In other way i feel she is doing it not even for Kunal,she is doing it for herself.As she needs a companion in her life who keeps her happy and give respect to her.As he is ready to provide all that to her she is doing what he asks like making kheer,Wearing saree which he chooses for her etc.,..If i give it a thought again, i feel If she is such a person who surrender her whole world to Kunal she would have think atleast once that how this affair is going to get affect kunal in future.If we love someone we would have think what gives them happiness in the long run.She didn't even think once how kunal life is going to get terrible due to this affair. I mean if it makes the loved one cheat their family behind their back,lose respect in the society,makes the person unfaithful she would have tried to talk about this instead of making kheer,decorating herself,text messaging secretly behind his wife's back.


Idk whether i had put clearly what i want to say 😆.I am not good at words😆.

Hi. I understand what you're trying to say. As I mentioned in the post, this "conquering/surrendering the world" is just flowery language. When translated into practical reality, it just means someone who will prioritize him over other things in their life, in the way he wants it.
This deliberate contrast in the personalities of Nandini and Mauli, can't be for nothing, with Mauli herself, mentioning again and again about how Kunal would have liked Nandini's personality better. But the sudden rushing of the track made everything appear disjointed.

So, from whatever little they have given us, I am just trying to understand where those feelings came from This is not an attempt to justify his feelings, but they certainly have a base and it does not look like lust to me. It could be an infatuation that may not last long. But looking at all the divine elements, that the makers have thrown in generously, they are hinting at a forever kinda love. All those practical realities that you mentioned are for real life people 😃 For a fictional soap couple, anything is possible.
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Originally posted by: chirpyhapibird

@Tm

in short kunal had a hidden inferiority complex due to mauli , mom,dida.
Nandini gives him superiority complex ,making him feel like he is the man,because she herself lacks confidence.
Very nicely put.
Still Ema is a No No


It's not about confidence or lack of confidence. Kunal certainly did not have any inferiority complex with Mauli.
But Nandini does raise the protective instincts in him, and there is a certain novelty that he finds in Nandini's personality and in their interactions . The makers have also tried to highlight certain aspects of Nandini's personality namely, her demure, shy nature, her cooking, dressing up skills, the little acts of service and kindness she does. Basically a homebody who paints a pretty picture of domestic felicity. So it wouldn't be wrong to assume that he is drawn to all of this apart from her physical beauty. Does that make him an inferior man? I would say, it is a matter of perception.

Coming to the EMA bit, the intention of this post was never to justify EMA, this was just to understand what exactly got him drawn to Nandini. And it has a lot of assumptions, which may or may not be true. Again, it is a matter of perception.
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I do get wat u r trying 2 say. But I still c tat only as Kunal's weakness. If he has a hero complex or superiority complex & his ego is not pampered by Mauli, I think its a weakness in his character. Also I still find it weird tat even if wat u say is true how come he was happy with Mauli for so many yrs (I dont know exactly how long Kunal & Mauli are married). In these yrs dint he meet some1 similar to Nandini. Coy, shy, traditional. So how come he fell only for Nandini. As I mentioned this is where the CVs bungled. I can accept the premise that ppl fall out of love & fall in love with another person. But here no proper groundwork was done 2 lead into that event. In KANK where u ve similar 2 unlikeable, whiny characters the pacing was realistic. Dev & Maya meet, get 2 know each other, feel a connect, become friends & slowly tat turns into attraction. Here I dont c any such conversations or friendship between Kunal & Nandini. 1 day they hardly know each other & then 1 day BHAM CVs claim they r in love.

The CVs have seriously bungled. They initially portrayed Kunal as this super-understanding and loving husband that any modern career woman would wish to have. Then they painted a pretty picture of Kunal and Mauli's married life. There were some feeble attempts I believe to show his dissatisfaction. I don't know if they chose to keep it very subtle deliberately, because whatever issues were there, related to Mauli's time crunch, it was soon forgotten and he was seen singing her praises again. And then they bowled a googly , and made him fall for someone like Nandini 😃 I feel the CVs are literally telling the viewers to "Go Figure"
So this is just an attempt to figure that out, with my own assumptions and deductions to fill in the glaring gaps left by the makers in the script and characterization. I don't intend to make a hero out of him, just trying to find some logic here.

Bold - That question did occur to me while writing this 😃 But then, what was the point of making her coy, shy and traditional, especially in a story happening in an urban city? I feel it was deliberate on the part of the makers. And when I thought about it, I couldn't think of any person like that in my immediate, family, friends circle, who falls with Nandini's age group. Even the young stay at home wives are mostly the confident feisty type. And assuming Kunal may have met women like that before, he still wouldn't have got a chance to know and interact with them within such close quarters.

But were their silent interactions enough for him to fall so irrevocably in love? Of course not. I think we can agree again that the makers have bungled seriously.




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