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Posted: 13 years ago
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The second she was thrown out of the train the crowd knew what happened was unacceptable. They beat up those guys but when she was being harassed the crowd was obviously confused and conflicted and chose not to interfere. This clearly means that the gravity of the situation was enough to provoke a reaction from the crowd. This is also implying that harassment is not a dire enough situation worthy of a reaction.

This needs to change. Enabling molesters because harassment is such an everyday occurrence is what is creating the crappy atmosphere in the first place.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: axeion

Hmm, I don't get it... We ask for equal rights and then we come back to say they need to have more stringent laws for harassment against women 😕 Shouldn't it be the same law whether someone misbehaves with a woman or a man?



Stringent laws against harassment is a part of equal rights for women. These are not two independent issues. When a woman expects someone to open the door for her, or pull a chair, or help her carry the heavy stuff then that is against the very basic idea of women's equality.

But what is harassment but a curtailment of a woman's right to walk the streets unaided and unrestricted. It is her right to go to any place, at any time of day or night be assured that she would not be assaulted. It is her right to travel to any part of the country without a hefty escort of 4 beefy looking goons.

In order to ensure that freedom, what one requires is a severe law restricting those who would impinge upon the others' freedom. On any issue, an attack on woman quickly degenerates into a sexual attack and a free for all for the bystanders. If similar attacks were taking place on men, I would say yes club them in too, but no these are attacks targeted only at women and only a hogwash for a gangrape.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: axeion

Hmm, I don't get it... We ask for equal rights and then we come back to say they need to have more stringent laws for harassment against women 😕 Shouldn't it be the same law whether someone misbehaves with a woman or a man?


Asking the Government of India to enforce more stringent laws against Physically , Sexual harassment against women is not inequality. the Fact More laws needs to be Imposed and Mandated shows that there is inequality occurring in society. No country is prefect , No laws are prefect. there is always room for improvement , and taking in to mind of the incident that have been occurring for years probably Rape cases, Acid throwing , Molestation , physical and sexual Harassment. Not all but majority of these case , the victims are Female. And its not just One or two cases , its hundreds of thousands of cases. this is Inequality. Not being Able to Protect Women and Young Ladies Is Injustice. Women don't even feel safe in their Own nation ,they are subjected to harassment the Minute they step out of their House. How is that equality??

and I personally feel enforcing these stringent law will Only bring Equality into society,
THE day Women aren't scared to leave their homes and can go to a Club or Park at 11PM without being sexually violated Is the Day the true Sense of "Equality" will be seen in society.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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You didn't get my post.

I was saying the crowd does not see the harassment as dire as murder which is wrong and people conditioned with harassment < murder need to change, pronto. Not excusing anyone.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mahabhootni


You didn't get my post.

I was saying the crowd does not see the harassment as dire as murder which is wrong and people conditioned with harassment < murder need to change, pronto. Not excusing anyone.

. I got your post. You were definitely not excusing the bystanders but IMO playing devil's advocate. This is the reason I agreed with your post. Each line cannot be taken out of context but needs to be read and understood as a whole.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Chitrashi and Mia...

If we remember from the 2nd episode of the show, there was one girl and two guys. So it's not like guys don't get harassed by other people (male/female) in the society. But like Chitrashi says, assualts against women get down to sexual harassment and get reported while those against men take a backseat after being termed as mobbing. Shouldn't equality be when both men/women can walk down the streets in any part of the country at any hour of the day/night without being molested or mobbed? Yes, such attacks are taking place on men too... but do we report them or does a crowd of on-lookers gather around? No, bcoz they brush it off as a tussle between some goons. Don't you think it's the on-lookers who are more at fault? Why not ask for laws that punish these on-lookers? Isn't it the on-lookers who make the difference and indirectly encourage the offenders to turn an attack into a sexual assault against women? Yes, offenders are offenders and should be punished, but why leave the on-lookers - the real culprits?

Yes Mia, no country is perfect, nor are our laws... but one cannot demand equality alongwith a law to be treated differently, doesn't that defy basic logic? And that's strictly my opinion. You want to be treated equally, then go fight the battle on equal grounds.

I am all for more stringent laws and protection of people, but just limiting it to women doesn't make sense to me. Here's a simple example why this difference is ridiculous in my opinion. According to our laws, if a wife files for divorce, and the husband fails to appear for their first hearing, the wife is granted a divorce in her second hearing whether the husband makes an appearance or not. But it's not vice-versa, the wife has to be present at the hearing for the husband to get a divorce. Now how is that justified?

ps: I've never let any guy open the door, pull a chair, carry shopping bags or pay bills for me. If that explains where I come from... 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: parri814

. I got your post. You were definitely not excusing the bystanders but IMO playing devil's advocate. This is the reason I agreed with your post. Each line cannot be taken out of context but needs to be read and understood as a whole.

I got your post. You were definitely not supporting the people. You were expalining that they need to understand that not only being physically attacked is a crime but also harassment is a crime too.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: axeion

@Chitrashi and Mia...

If we remember from the 2nd episode of the show, there was one girl and two guys. So it's not like guys don't get harassed by other people (male/female) in the society. But like Chitrashi says, assualts against women get down to sexual harassment and get reported while those against men take a backseat after being termed as mobbing. Shouldn't equality be when both men/women can walk down the streets in any part of the country at any hour of the day/night without being molested or mobbed?

Yes i agree with you , both men and women should be able to walk freely down the streets of their own countries , yet reality is Most women don't feel safe in India , While Men are roaming the streets carefree, I don't live in India , But my father's side of the family . Most of the Young ladies and Women , Feel UNsafe to go out at night with the company of a Man . AND me on the other side of the world , I got out for midnight , 1PM walks with my mother .

So in comparison, Men don't feel unsafe to roam the streets at night.And the crimes towards women is greater then towards men .I am Not saying Men are not harassed or molested , But in Public i have yet not heard of Man being Molested , Raped In public and bystanders just watching. ( I may be completely Wrong ) .

Yes, such attacks are taking place on men too... but do we report them or does a crowd of on-lookers gather around? No, bcoz they brush it off as a tussle between some goons.

You may be right that men are getting harassed and attacked, that side of the spectrum i don't know , may be the failure of media or police or even reporters to bring light to this issues. If Men are getting molested In public , then they deserve to be protected.

Don't you think it's the on-lookers who are more at fault? Why not ask for laws that punish these on-lookers?

I have Never implied that bystanders are not at fault, as a matter of fact i have been saying that every Indian needs to take a stand against harassment , See something , say something , do something. in regards to laws to punish the on-lookers, in theory it is a good idea but in reality it might get messy. Example take the Guwahati Case, the bystanders were hundreds of people, Included families who were driving by in their cars . should the cops really spend their time tracking each person , or should the focus be more directed towards finding the sexual offenders. See this is where things get messy , cuz time , law enforcement power and money is needed to handle arrest of this size. and yes each day a New case of A Female victim , Indian Jails will run out of space . and does India have that much funds at this moment ? idk

Isn't it the on-lookers who make the difference and indirectly encourage the offenders to turn an attack into a sexual assault against women? Yes, offenders are offenders and should be punished, but why leave the on-lookers - the real culprits?

Bystanders are the real Culprits, I don't agree with that Point. The sexual Offenders are the real culprits . the Bystanders are just plain out cowards who need to grow a spine. The Bystanders are partly to blame ? but can India really impose a Law to hold bystanders accountable of all these rape, molestation cases ? this again goes back to the fact , can Indian government afford these extra expenses .


Yes Mia, no country is perfect, nor are our laws... but one cannot demand equality alongwith a law to be treated differently, doesn't that defy basic logic? And that's strictly my opinion. You want to be treated equally, then go fight the battle on equal grounds.



You know sweety , let me see if I can explain myself Better and where i am coming , I live in NY, And yes here , we have LAWS Equal for all , regardless what gender, a person is, If the sexual offender is a MAN or WOMAN - they will face trail and be given an equal sentence .
But USA also had to make Laws and rules to create equality in society.

Such as Affirmative action and Civil Rights laws , Back in the 30's , 40's Most of the colleges and workplace were majority White male. In order to bring equality Affirmative action was mandated by the government and Schools, college , even workplace couldn't discriminate against any employee or applicant seeking employment because of the race , creed , color or national origin. Yet it didn't Include Sex. So schools, workplace were hiring But only Men . so again the government decided for Equality of all , they mandated Women should also be Included.

and Afterwards , since women started entering the work force, they began to face sexual, physical and mental harassment at workforce. And Again Government had to mandate civil rights for WOMEN. Yes the law was created to protect women at workplace , but it didn't limit to only them . Afterwards Men also started filing complaints to HR , But reality is they are only 15% cased filed by Men and 85% filed by women . But originally the Laws were enforced after seeing so many cases of Sexual/physical and Mental Harassment towards women at the workplace. I don't see any thing Wrong in trying to protect women .

And You best believe we have Laws to protect the rights of Phsycially / Mentality Handicap Adults at workplaces 😃

If an issue arises in society and there are Multiple victims of the SAME crime or discrimination or inequality is happening, it is the JOB of the government to mandate a Law to protect the rights of the citizens. And In response to the Divorce example . You are absolutely right NO one should be granted a Divorce until Both parties are present. See these Laws need to be Looked over and upgraded. But if they do .. Would it be considered in favor of MEN only ? would that be fair ?

I am not advocating the Men shouldn't have rights . No way .. i am just saying if there is a problem In society, then that problem needs to be addressed overlooked reviewed and Laws need to be created to protect the citizens . To make it a fair and Equal laws for all citizens ..

and Sorry i think i got carried away Again . 😃




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Posted: 13 years ago
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Gosh Mia... I'll come back and read ur post later. Itna bada post... 😆 How are you today? Sorry, but I lose track if the post exceeds 5-10 lines.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: axeion

Gosh Mia... I'll come back and read ur post later. Itna bada post... 😆 How are you today? Sorry, but I lose track if the post exceeds 5-10 lines.


hehehe😆

I am good Axeion , how are u sweety, and I know i talk a lot and i write like Maha katha , sorry .. 😃

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