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Posted: 11 years ago
#71
I had this thought.
Since precaps are used to keep us guessing --- kusum says saras n saras is standing at the door. That's why she had to say that name. Then he comes and he too talks about danny n kusum. Then kusum goes silent and keeps it to herself. That's her sacrifice like Shana said.

And we will stop hating that kusum for this sacrifice? Na. We will think less about her

Edited by pasumarthisa - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: hotdogg



smrth-

I have objection ot this very premise put out in the show and entirely hate this pramad narrative...

Why is everyone forgeting that this 'dying man' is not any ordinary man...he is a person who has betrayed her (his affair with kalika), tortured her (beatings, forcing alcohol), beat her, tried to kill her...

When kumud left his home, after suffering all of the above, she had burnt her bridges...she got him arrested IN PUBLIC and applied for divorce...Finito...

The earlier kumud cared two hoots about social propriety...he first allegience was always to her perspective...she was a law unto herself...she went to great lengths to stick to her stand and prove others wrong ...the saras dare, the gau hatya, the fight with VC, the skirmishes with gumaan, even her marriage to pramad and later her decision to stick it out...

So this about turn is pure killing of the character...this 'humane' treatment is just to add trp masala in the narrative...while still being trp aligned...

Its like sau choohe khaakar bilee haj ko chali...why should the past be forgiven and self-torture suffered because this a@@h@le now feels 'repentent'?... also if he was not dying, would he be this repentent?...

p.s.
Its like kasab suddenly feels repentent and people send him on a world tour before he dies...cause hey...he's repentent now and he's gonna die...so lets act humanely...

Sorry...Accounts need to be settled in this life only... He deserves his punishment for his misdeeds in full...only then does he qualify any kindness...and if he dies before that ...Well that's too bad for him then,...

Edit:
..And isn't this just another form of torment by him?...Then why should she put up with it?...

And justifying this regressive narrative on the grounds of kusum's marriage breaking down is just the pits...By this logic, she should continue to remain married...coz after marriage if she divorces, then kusum apne sasural mein badnaam hogi...And where do you stop?...After he is dead too, if she remarries then also kusum might get badnaam in her sasural!

sick!!



Hgg,
You have no idea, how I hate this sick Pramad baloney. (Please read my objection to his very track). His very presence in RN is one 'invention' that rival only Kalika, a servant's marriage shove into RN haveli rubbish. But then as we agreed, it was a clumsy roll back on a 'divorce' track that has no place in this story towards its given narrative course, death is one important fact they have to incorporate. So grudgingly noticing this clumsy repair work, objectively Kumud can not be singularly pounced upon as per 'objective' points presented in its unfolding. That's the contention.
-As for her being second time manipulated, that's the crux/damage to her character as I had already noted.
-as for justification on ground of Kusum's marriage. Crap script. At least they had a wee bit of honesty left to admit this in form of Saras's logical reply, 'you brought danger in'. sick...

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Posted: 11 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: hotdogg

😔


Kusum today made the transition to Evil...Period...

"Most people are good and occasionally do something they know is bad. Some people are bad and struggle every day to keep it under control. Others are corrupt to the core and don't give a damn, as long as they don't get caught. But evil is a completely different creature, Mac. Evil is bad that believes it's good."
Karen Marie Moning, Shadowfever


"Learn to distinguish the difference between errors of knowledge and breaches of morality. An error of knowledge is not a moral flaw, provided you are willing to correct it...But a breach of morality is the conscious choice of an action you know to be evil, or a willful evasion of knowledge, a suspension of sight and of thought. That which you do not know, is not a moral charge against you; but that which you refuse to know, is an account of infamy growing in your soul. "
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged



The other day they put an 'inconsistent' dialogue on Kusum...She was spaciously asking Guniyal, " Didi is 'mandatory' with Pramad? (sic. Because of her 'marriage') " 😲...Look at the innuendo! Remove '?' mark and read her subconscious desire. This is one 'justification' she is going to counter Dukhbaa's impending fury over her audacity; citing, Didi only 'continued' her marriage...🤢 🤢
Let us remember, she was the most enthusiast ally in making her Didi 'successful' about her marriage- despite knowing her true state! ( A similar 'conflict', she is now disowning her 'engagement' with!🤢)... Also noteworthy, her recent dialogue with Pramad about her Didi's 'sincerity'. Herein lies her caprice as a character...one I have been clamouring against from beginning.
As character She is root destroyer of the story. Pramad is no real threat. Her capricious 'goodness' is.

Good red paint in the start up, Hgg bhai.šŸ˜†

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Posted: 11 years ago
#74
didi did it for pyari behen...and continues with the so called manipulation...while sis is ready to break the very bond with the most callous coldblooded cut of all...


Pehle dekha raha tha mujhe manzilon ka khawab
phir mere saamne woh raasta chala gaya šŸ˜•

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funny these sisters are shown so close to one another... hugging n kissin n consolin ...n yet we hav clandestine affair kumari ,obsessive lustingly devotional kusum and kumud ?? how can they be so blind ...šŸ˜•
Edited by annete - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: hotdogg


smrth-

I have objection ot this very premise put out in the show and entirely hate this pramad narrative...

Why is everyone forgeting that this 'dying man' is not any ordinary man...he is a person who has betrayed her (his affair with kalika), tortured her (beatings, forcing alcohol), beat her, tried to kill her...

When kumud left his home, after suffering all of the above, she had burnt her bridges...she got him arrested IN PUBLIC and applied for divorce...Finito...

The earlier kumud cared two hoots about social propriety...her first allegience was always to her perspective...she was a law unto herself...she went to great lengths to stick to her stand and prove others wrong ...the saras dare, the gau hatya, the fight with VC, the skirmishes with gumaan, even her marriage to pramad and later her decision to stick it out...

So this about turn is pure killing of the character...this 'humane' treatment is just to add trp masala in the narrative...while still being trp aligned...

Its like sau choohe khaakar bilee haj ko chali...why should the past be forgiven and self-torture suffered because this a@@h@le now feels 'repentent'?... also if he was not dying, would he be this repentent?...

p.s.
Its like kasab suddenly feels repentent and people send him on a world tour before he dies...cause hey...he's repentent now and he's gonna die...so lets act humanely...

Sorry...Accounts need to be settled in this life only... He deserves his punishment for his misdeeds in full...only then does he qualify any kindness...and if he dies before that ...Well that's too bad for him then,...

Edit:
..And isn't this just another form of torment by him?...Then why should she put up with it?...

And justifying this regressive narrative on the grounds of kusum's marriage breaking down is just the pits...By this logic, she should continue to remain married...coz after marriage if she divorces, then kusum apne sasural mein badnaam hogi...And where do you stop?...After he is dead too, if she remarries then also kusum might get badnaam in her sasural!

sick!!


Hgg, what you have articulated (perfectly, as usual) above is what most of us long-time viewers feel. To grant such a character even an iota of consideration in the name of humanity is gross.

Here he is being treated as a guest in the Desai household, while he has refused to do the basic kindness of granting Kumud the divorce she so wanted...Why does nobody tell him that is the prayaschit he needs to do? And to see the biggest ever smile on Kumud's face.

@Blue is too cute a simile for Pramaad, he is the meanest of reptilian creatures. A selfish, unmitigated parasite to the very end...

Kumud (and by compulsion, Saras,) are painted so white as to have crossed over from sainthood to the territory of 'fools' paradise'.

Those who watched this show for its subtlety will obviously by revolted by this spectacle. This is not That show any more. Remember how Guniyal handled Kumud when she was hysterical after the Genda Phool night, there was strength in her character. Yesterday her lines and her reactions were so ridiculous we could only laugh...

To make matters worse, they sometimes twist the dagger in by showing some flashes of the old style, only to highlight our loss, like the payal scene some days ago, and Saras being comforted by Dukhba.

What seems equally clear is that there are Others who enjoy this Black-and-White scenario, and will reward the makers with the precious Points, and that is all that counts.





Edited by happychappy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#76
Desai Drama is hanging like a voodoo hex over Saraswatichandras head...pramaad/kalika/khotikaki/mohan/danny/paper/scissor/stone/ash/pepper...šŸ˜†
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Posted: 11 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: annete

didi did it for pyari behen...and continues with the so called manipulation...while sis is ready to break the very bond with the most callous coldblooded cut of all...



Pehle dekha raha tha mujhe manzilon ka khawab
phir mere saamne woh raasta chala gaya šŸ˜•

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funny these sisters are shown so close to one another... hugging n kissin n consolin ...n yet we hav clandestine affair kumari ,obsessive lustingly devotional kusum and kumud ?? how can they be so blind ...šŸ˜•


Well said. They don't share their feelings with each other anymore.

Like I said, SC when it started gave supreme importance n value to relationships. Now, they are poo-poohed everyday.
Edited by pasumarthisa - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: annete

Desai Drama is hanging like a voodoo hex over Saraswatichandras head...pramaad/kalika/khotikaki/mohan/danny/paper/scissor/stone/ash/pepper...šŸ˜†


You have missed mentioning lizard and SpockšŸ˜†
Edited by tryforceful - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#79

Originally posted by: happychappy


Hgg, what you have articulated (perfectly, as usual) above is what most of us long-time viewers feel. To grant such a character even an iota of consideration in the name of humanity is gross.

Here he is being treated as a guest in the Desai household, while he has refused to do the basic kindness of granting Kumud the divorce she so wanted...Why does nobody tell him that is the prayaschit he needs to do? And to see the biggest ever smile on Kumud's face.

@Blue is too cute a simile for Pramaad, he is the meanest of reptilian creatures. A selfish, unmitigated parasite to the very end...

Kumud (and by compulsion, Saras,) are painted so white as to have crossed over from sainthood to the territory of 'fools' paradise'.

Those who watched this show for its subtlety will obviously by revolted by this spectacle. This is not That show any more. Remember how Guniyal handled Kumud when she was hysterical after the Genda Phool night, there was strength in her character. Yesterday her lines and her reactions were so ridiculous we could only laugh...

To make matters worse, they sometimes twist the dagger in by showing some flashes of the old style, only to highlight our loss, like the payal scene some days ago, and Saras being comforted by Dukhba.

What seems equally clear is that there are Others who enjoy this Black-and-White scenario, and will reward the makers with the precious Points, and that is all that counts.





Happy ji not so happy...šŸ˜• but friends consider these...

  1. Kumud is not 'forgiving'. She is deferring. She was capitulated under the force of a 'dying wish'. As late as today, she berated him, 'why did you not divorce?' A probable con by 'dying' was not her fault, when the claim stood supported by Hospital, doctors and above all, Saras.
  2. A person sentenced to death, when asked to speak out a wish, not overturning the verdict, is not said to have been 'forgiven'. Similarly, a deferment for a person condemned to death, may not be 'forgiven' per se.
  3. Inherent ugliness from such thoughtless 'tampering' with the story is bound to begat ugliness even in its retraction, spatially when it stands in direct conflict with intended course. No body is denying clumsiness therein. Especially deplorable are such excuses as 'Kusum's marriage'. This is going to get denser disgusting if or when Kumud would 'use' it to facilitate younger sister's 'life' wish...As for the outrage as a long standing viewer, would you realise dismay of the viewers who might have even remotely known about the characters sketch in source? Per se, divorce is not a stigma nor a widowhood crime this day. But that very 'subtlety' of character sketch in original would make them cringe at such distortions; "Kumud's Divorce in Saraswatichandra" indeed! Wish we know what would have been the reaction of Ivy's gentleman reader on such. In my home, Ma, a seasoned stalwart from KSBKBT days, when watched "Kumud's divorce" she cringed, "SLB is liable for some legal reprimands to expose a literary work to such extent". Pramad's death is an in built elimination in the book.
  4. And yet, Kumud is liable and exposed to much flake when they may 'resurrect' the monster from death bad. So much for a 'humanitarian' act! Now pay the prize...I can hear the thunderous retorts when her altruistic action will rebound on her. I will stand guilty as a dense viewer my friend.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#80

Originally posted by: smrth

Happy ji not so happy...šŸ˜• but friends consider these...

  1. Kumud is not 'forgiving'. She is deferring. She was capitulated under the force of a 'dying wish'. As late as today, she berated him, 'why did you not divorce?' A probable con by 'dying' was not her fault, when the claim stood supported by Hospital, doctors and above all, Saras.
  2. A person sentenced to death, when asked to speak out a wish, not overturning the verdict, is not said to have been 'forgiven'. Similarly, a deferment for a person condemned to death, may not be 'forgiven' per se.
  3. Inherent ugliness from such thoughtless 'tampering' with the story is bound to begat ugliness even in its retraction, spatially when it stands in direct conflict with intended course. No body is denying clumsiness therein. Especially deplorable are such excuses as 'Kusum's marriage'. This is going to get denser disgusting if or when Kumud would 'use' it to facilitate younger sister's 'life' wish...As for the outrage as a long standing viewer, would you realise dismay of the viewers who might have even remotely known about the characters sketch in source? Per se, divorce is not a stigma nor a widowhood crime this day. But that very 'subtlety' of character sketch in original would make them cringe at such distortions; "Kumud's Divorce in Saraswatichandra" indeed! Wish we know what would have been the reaction of Ivy's gentleman reader on such. In my home, Ma, a seasoned stalwart from KSBKBT days, when watched "Kumud's divorce" she cringed, "SLB is liable for some legal reprimands to expose a literary work to such extent". Pramad's death is an in built elimination in the book.
  4. And yet, Kumud is liable and exposed to much flake when they may 'resurrect' the monster from death bad. So much for a 'humanitarian' act! Now pay the prize...I can hear the thunderous retorts when her altruistic action will rebound on her. I will stand guilty as a dense viewer my friend.


@Bold, I understand where you are coming from, Smrth! That is a different magnitude of dismay altogether...

How "they" get away with using GMTs name under cover of SLB's creative label, is beyond comprehension. One should have put those expectations to bed long ago... and turned off the TV as well.

What remains are the fragments of viewership that had no source-exposure but still was keen to see a different story with a different treatment... Even that was too much to ask for!
Edited by happychappy - 11 years ago

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