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Infofan

@Infofan

Sparkler

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Posted: 11 years ago

#41

Ivy ji, thanks for the PM. Had a really hectic day today and am very, very sleepy, will read your post vistaar se tomorrow, I did skim over parts of it though.

Script, screenplay, dialogues, camera angles, editing, direction, dialogue delivery, expressions - all have been sub standard past few months. Biggest culprit IMHO is the channel. Every time a PH tries a portray a female lead who is human with her share of flaws, SP steps in pressurizing the PH, CVs to change the script to make the female protagonist - a mahaan devi, tyaag ki murti, 'righteous', unbelievably morally superior. In doing so, logic ki vaat and complete annihilation of most characters occurs. The audience find it hard to relate to the characters and CVs find it challenging to find a balance between their vision and SP ki 'nayi soch'. Result is a big mess leaving everyone dissatisfied and disillusioned including the actors who loose motivation too and just go through motions.

This is my second show on SP back to back with the exact same experiences. I can now recognize patterns and the signs of SP's golden touch😆

I shall stop now before I say things in my drowsy state that will have me banned from IF😆

Talk to you manana. 🤗

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-Ivy-

@-Ivy-

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#42

Hum always hazir hai, Arshi 😃... I'm happy that you would like to discuss this further and... In the meantime, I too will like to address a few of your points:

The theories drilled into me compel me to disagree, Arshi ji... SRS/Playing off is not reliant on chemistry. Chemistry however, is and can only be witnessed if the two parts of playing off... "The Following" and "The Dance" are followed through with. Chemistry, I would submit, is a very overrated term... SRS/Playing off is like the very first building block in the school where they teach you to act. As you have pointed out. Also SRS is staged, there is nothing natural in that... The trick is to make it seem natural, and seamless, and that can only come from trust and sportsmanship. Chemistry is the end product... SRS is the first and crucial step which our SC professionals are badly fumbling.

With respect, Arshi, SRS/Playing off is an integral part of all TV shows, case in point being MB where, my favourite bit, Krishna breaks the 'fourth wall' and plays off against an imagined audience. And even brilliantly in MZZB where Arfeen plays off against memories/photographs and Saba against an easel... Or in SC, you can find it in Kalika Saras scenes, Danny Kumari scenes, Sunny actually was one character who can take full marks in the playing off department... He lacks the dazzle of GR but Aniruddh Singh was a master at trusting, mirroring and dancing. That is why the terms for Sunny we all use, are solid, dependable, kind etc. Varun Kapoor is another such example, as well as Vinita Joshi... You watch her scenes with Umess and you can see Kumari's magic. And Yatin Karyekar, he knew how to brilliantly play off too.

Jennifer, she used to be able to play off against an iPhone even... And now she's not even playing off against a living person. GR... He had his period of merely playing too... In the janmashtmi track... His disillusionment as an artist came right through... The last that Jennifer played off was in the forced alcohol night bit, where she ran into kitchen and Saras followed... Before that, she brilliantly displayed her stellar acting chops in the kavita-writing sequence. After that, in that mandir sequence, she simply made another team... Me, myself and I. And from then on, she has consistently gone back to it. Yesterday's was the heights where she was on a solo trip the whole of the episode... Everyone played off, by the SRS rules, except her.

I agree TV is about staged reactions, and as fake as a three-dollar bill. I'm asking for verisimilitude, but even before that... Had Kalika or SD done such, I would not have belaboured the point, but from the female frickin' lead of the show, don't you think we deserve something that justifies her title credit... And this is basic stuff... ABC... Don't create chemistry if you don't want to, just don't be a dishonest artist =)

Edit: Even Gopi Vahu and Kokila Ben, brilliantly play off... It can't get worse than this 😛

Edited by IdiotViewer - 11 years ago

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pasumarthisa

@pasumarthisa

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

Thank you so much, friend. After all of this, I wonder, can Kumud ever be redeemed, in the larger picture. We may look at her with sympathy, but I'm going to be hard-pressed to accord her any respect now. And the way she cried for Kalika today... What was that? And why now?

As per promos, Saras leaves, and I want him to. He can still be saved as a character. But Kumud, no. As a female, after yesterday, I lost respect for her.

Saras going away in promo is a ray of hope. He can't be forgiven for staying back. He has his reasons from his standpoint but doesn't work for greater good. Actually, of late he has been doing stuff rather than just lamenting or making promises. That was a good development.

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-Ivy-

@-Ivy-

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: veera25

There comes a time where as being a young woman, I cannot sympathize with a fellow woman just because she's a woman. Because being a woman is not enough in common for me to support Kumud. 😕

*Standing-frickin-ovation* 👏 👏 👏

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annete

@annete

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#45

ivy 👏 you nailed it ...sorry the earlier one was a little diff to comprehend completely... i got this one...

Edited by annete - 11 years ago

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Veera

@SahirsBeard

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

*Standing-frickin-ovation* 👏 👏 👏

😳 😳 look who's talking 😳 😳

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-Ivy-

@-Ivy-

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: Infofan
Ivy ji, thanks for the PM. Had a really hectic day today and am very, very sleepy, will read your post vistaar se tomorrow, I did skim over parts of it though.

Script, screenplay, dialogues, camera angles, editing, direction, dialogue delivery, expressions - all have been sub standard past few months. Biggest culprit IMHO is the channel. Every time a PH tries a portray a female lead who is human with her share of flaws, SP steps in pressurizing the PH, CVs to change the script to make the female protagonist - a mahaan devi, tyaag ki murti, 'righteous', unbelievably morally superior. In doing so, logic ki vaat and complete annihilation of most characters occurs. The audience find it hard to relate to the characters and CVs find it challenging to find a balance between their vision and SP ki 'nayi soch'. Result is a big mess leaving everyone dissatisfied and disillusioned including the actors who loose motivation too and just go through motions.

This is my second show on SP back to back with the exact same experiences. I can now recognize patterns and the signs of SP's golden touch😆

I shall stop now before I say things in my drowsy state that will have me banned from IF😆

Talk to you manana. 🤗

Thanks for commenting, Nandy... 🤗

I agree, SP is the biggest culprit here, but they don't sit in when the director yells, roll camera... I'm more concerned with what happens in the microcosm of the set. Why the director does not have a handle on execution... MG always failed, but yesterday AK took the cake, because Jennifer was on a completely different plane altogether. Which was sad and shocking because apart from this obvious epic fumble, AK's direction was undoutedly superior... It's almost as though a cold war happened between lead actress and director and no one could be bothered. That surprises me 😕

I will look forward to the rest of your feedback, eagerly =)

Edit: I can agree about disillusionment, but Nandy, what about integrity as an artist? They all are in the same boat, the least one can do is be part of a team. At performance level, this is sabotage

Edited by IdiotViewer - 11 years ago

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-Ivy-

@-Ivy-

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: annete
ivy 👏 you nailed it ...sorry the earlier one was a little diff to comprehend completely... i got this one...

Thank you, buddy 🤗

I apologise for the earlier difficult one... I'm glad you think my concerns have merit 😳

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Infofan

@Infofan

Sparkler

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#49

Ivy, I could barely sit through yesterday's episode despite Mr. dazzling smile and rippling muscles in tight shirt😆 I have not watched tuesday's yet and not sure if I want to subject myself to more mahanta and double standards and wailing.

I am not sure when Arshad started directing. My observations of him - he is creative, esp good with romantic scenes, young, easy going and a bit shy. I get the feeling he can be/is bossed around by senior (not necessarily in age) artistes. My worry is artistes on Arshad's sets get away with things they wouldnt dare attempt with a senior, experienced, stricter director. Quality of work is affected due to some of these factors.

The artistes professionalism, integrity, passion, honesty, commitment and dedication to work would really weigh in heavily with AK 'incharge' on the performance. IMHO.

Back to snoring now.😳

Edited by Infofan - 11 years ago

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Arshics

@Arshics

Inactive

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#50

@toni

at work already.

will post on mb of last nite in the evening today.

mohit is too handsome. 2nd in my list after barun but why was he shown so gora . Shiva was alsinotwhite . Hewasdark tooand neel kanth.
So handsome mohit but as shiva - no.

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