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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: SC_wellwisher

Any normal man will lose his mind, when humiliated in presence of dear Biwi. We all know Pramaad is not normal. He has problems that can be tackled by rehabs and professionals. Kumud is an educated woman and she should be aware of these things. I think she did not watch Aamir Khan's show "Satyameva Jayate".

I hold Kumud more responsible for the current situation, because she is educated and sensible woman ( looks like not any more). Pramaad is putting in so many efforts to drive her out of his life. He is more frustrated because he knows that she loves Saraswatichandra.

Especially today yet again she egged Pramad on in a bar type of cheap place in challenging him to come home or she calls the police..The man was humiliated yet again in front all the challu men. She knows when they are alone in the room he will rebel back and she will be in a precarious situation. She put herself in this situation challenging Pramad and Kalika each time..I have never seen a silly woman like Kumud who puts herself into getting hurt..
To make something clear to those who think many love and support pramad than I say they are in false assumption...No one condones Pramad's behavior and I personally condemn it with a caviot.
Pramad was not born this way...he was raised with lack of parenting-guidance & love-TLC..
If Pramad is sick than Kumud-Saras are even more sicker for being there and Kumud putting up with it
I know there are abused women out there who have no self esteem, education, no family support and are financially dependent on their men but Kumud has all the support in the worl...Her ex lover-fianc, parents, family, ILs all are there. SHe has education and intellect to get out of and stay the hell away from Pramad but she chooses to make her ILs happy, Wants to win this challenge and in this process she wants viewers to sympathize with her...Not me..
She is loving this sadistic process or else why would she be there beats me 😳
my POV ofcourse.
Edited by Dabulls23 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: DJ..

@ S.Stephy

Now this is a serious allegation ...

Yes, it is a serious allegation because it is a serious matter.

Yes what is intended to do is drive a point into Kumud that all that she keeps harping is a farce I approve that

However, yes I do not entirely approve of his means of doing it. Another in his place may used some other way for e.g. psyching Kumud to believe by may be getting the room all decorated etc etc etc etc and then try to break her on a emotional level till she accepts facts. Yes he is rather crude and direct in his approach.Basically, Pramaad is using abuse to prove his point, which is completely unacceptable. If he genuinely wanted to get his point across to Kumud, he could have had a conversation with her in a civilized manner and explained his perspective.But if you check the scene he nowhere really wants to consummate the marriage ... He tucked at pullu but only with the sole intention of covering her head

Hence saying it attempt to rape is incorrect It wasn't just the pallu-pulling but the fact that Kumud mentions that she didn't want to take the relationship to the next level without forging an emotional bond... and yet Pramaad forces alcohol into her mouth, throws her on the bed, etc... And he actually goes away only when Kumud threatens to scream for help.And now the most important point ... Just because Pramaad is an possible (i say this cause I think the makers themselves don't know how to build his character) antagonist what he did was attempt to rape or may be molest.

I recollect a similar scene from another popular serial of the same actress wherein her husband is trying the point into her Over there he had surpassed much more in his limit in trying to prove the point but then he was a hero so them supposedly a couple so he is justified.

Similarly for any other 'Couple' if such an episode happens them chalta hai how romantic the hero is the victim Tab kaha pe jaati hai aap sab ki sympathy 😳No idea about this serial or scene but yes, it would still be wrong and in my opinion, undeserving of sympathy if this is done by any husband/lover... whether protagonist or villain.

SIr Maam who ever you are This is a just a fictional character so it can be neglected to an extent but Please be careful when you use certain terms while alleging.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Especially today yet again she egged Pramad on in a bar type of cheap place in challenging him to come home or she calls the police..The man was humiliated yet again in front all the challu men. She knows when they are alone in the room he will rebel back and she will be in a precarious situation. She put herself in this situation challenging Pramad and Kalika each time..I have never seen a silly woman like Kumud who puts herself into getting hurt..
Kumud is loosing her mind over winning & pride !!!!! Very irresponsible behavior . She thinks no one is going to get hurt ... I m not talking abt emotionally . Pramad is smarter than Kumud - Saras gives him credit for . Asking someone to kill SaMud is easier for him . He knows all the right people !!!

To make something clear to those who think many love and support pramad than I say they are in false assumption...No one condones Pramad's behavior and I personally condemn it with a caviot.
Only people say some have love for Pramad r SaMud lovers 😆😆 All the characters should get what they deserve !!! Some more than others .

Pramad was not born this way...he was raised with lack of parenting-guidance & love-TLC..
If Pramad is sick than Kumud-Saras are even more sicker for being there and Kumud putting up with it
I know there are abused women out there who have no self esteem, education, no family support and are financially dependent on their men but Kumud has all the support in the worl...Her ex lover-fianc, parents, family, ILs all are there. SHe has education and intellect to get out of and stay the hell away from Pramad but she chooses to make her ILs happy, Wants to win this challenge and in this process she wants viewers to sympathize with her...Not me..
Apparently , she missed out on some of the education she should have received . Like " What NOT to DO " 😆😆

She is loving this sadistic process or else why would she be there beats me 😳
Truth is writers have destroyed the true essence of Kumud - Saras so much that they have become the bad role models . Sorry to say I can't watch anymore stupidity of SaMud . I don't have high hopes from Kalika - Pramad .
my POV ofcourse.

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Posted: 12 years ago
@ S.Stephy
Actually, no. I don't have any sympathy for Pramad esp after all the abuses to Kumud and the attempt to rape.

>>>> It's OK if you do not sympathize with Pramaad. However, I equally blame Kumud for the abuses and attempt to rape ( I have not seen the later part). She knew the same day she married Pramaad that he is not a normal guy, and he does not want her to be a part of his life. She is an educated woman with all the self respect, she should know better how to handle person like Pramaad. He has some serious psychological problems and is an alcoholic. Only professionals can deal with him and help him not Sati-Savithri wife with Pati Sudharo mission. I can't beleive she has put up with a husband who not only drinks daily, abuses her but even cheats on her.
To Kumud- "play with fire, you will get burnt"

While it is unfortunate regarding the way his family esp BD have treated him but he is not a child but an adult responsible for his own actions.
>>> he is a guy with serious psychological problems. Only professionals can deal with him. Rest so many others have already discussed, so I would not like to repeat.
And reg his parents getting him married against his wishes... Pramaad seems to get away with so many things that are against his parents wishes like not helping out with the party activities or being able to get drunk whenever and wherever he wants. So looks like he could have avoided this marriage if he really tried...

>>>>> May be he thought getting married would shut up his parents. They would stop bothering him if he got married, and later he could trouble Kumud and easily get rid of her. He did have a plan for her, unfortunately, she was saved by Saras ( pillar falling, also the night he tried to strangle her). We do hear about men getting married for dowry and getting rid of their brides. The show Satyameva Jayate by Aamir Khan dealt with real life stories.

Now Pramaad is more frustrated, angry and upset because:
1 His plan to get rid of Kumud has not worked
2. He knows about Saraswatichandra
3. He is publicly humiliated by his Dad
4. Supposed to take part in Pooja, fasting, go to her Maika, buy Teej gift, not drink alcohol etc.
5. He cannot freely entertain Kalika.
In short, he has lost his freedom. Under such circumsrances, a person with pre existing psychological issues, will become more crazy. So it is best to avoid him and learn to move on and not try to fix him.

I do not approve of Pramaad abusing Kumud. I have been writing against domestic violence since the first week of August, and am thankful to members who stopped by and discussed it.

My ans. in italics.


Ps. Below another ans. reg. response to DJ.. Hope you do not mind me answering some of them.
Edited by SC_wellwisher - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago


At this time I am more upset with Kumud and Saras. what's going on between a married woman and her ex. in her sasural? What is all that eye contact about?

Why is Kumud so confused? She can dump that hubby and get away with Saras, or ask Saras to leave and fix her hubby and herself. Make up your mind lady.

Those who support Kumud- Saras under the current circumstances, pls think if such a situation is possible in real life for a man/woman to have an ex living in the same house and the spouse not knowing about it. Let's get a bit realistic.

If yes, then we have a problem.
Edited by SC_wellwisher - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@S.Stephy
Some sections of your response to DJ.. Please do not mind me answering some of them.

Basically, Pramaad is using abuse to prove his point, which is completely unacceptable. If he genuinely wanted to get his point across to Kumud, he could have had a conversation with her in a civilized manner and explained his perspective.
>>>> The manner in which the makers have portrayed Pramaad's character, do you really think he is capable of having a conversation in a civilized manner? If yes, then the makers have not done a good job for a viewer like you. They need to fix this problem.


It wasn't just the pallu-pulling but the fact that Kumud mentions that she didn't want to take the relationship to the next level without forging an emotional bond... and yet Pramaad forces alcohol into her mouth, throws her on the bed, etc... And he actually goes away only when Kumud threatens to scream for help.
>>> Kumud should have screamed the very first night when he threatened her. She could have avoided the current mess she is in. Kumud has a really long way to go, in case she decides to take the emotional bond route. May be Pramaad is in search of some fast ways to get rid of her, and his behaviour was one of them.
Kumud is allowing Pramaad to walk all over her. She can get all the possible help in this world, however, she chooses to refuse all except her ex. ( now you may say well it's her ex who wants's to help her). If she can refuse all, she can refuse her ex as well.

My ans. in italics
Edited by SC_wellwisher - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
He might be a Chugli Khor but at least he said something to BD.

When Kumud said that to her MIL what did MIL do nothing, Its between husband and wife she said! Stupid woman! If it was as she said btwn husband and wife then she should have told Kumud beforehand what they were marrying her into!

Kalika needs to be booted out of the house otherwise nothing of their therapies will work on that good for nothing Pramad. sorry Pramad, hope you get better soon 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
A healthy man does not torture others---generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers---Carl Jung (psychologist)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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U blame kumud for the rape attempt?? N can u elaborate?? I am very interested to read ur viewpoint n I will wait for it with baited breath.
N where did u read that educated ppl can handle abusers well?? U will b flummoxed to learn that many EDUCATED WOMEN are battered. I work with problematic ados n I know wat I am talking. Most of them have educated moms who get beaten every night n never complain.
I am noticing that in ur every post u r saying u don't watch SC anymore.
I am amazed that u don't watch the show anymore n rely on feedback from members which is subjective to give views of generalized nature.
Never mind but Plz don't forget to answer my Q on the rape attempt. I am like really interested.
Edited by omshreejaanu - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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U blame kumud for the rape attempt?? N can u elaborate?? I am very interested to read ur viewpoint n I will wait for it with baited breath.

>>> Kumud should have left that place and that hubby with serious psychological problems long time ago. She has never made any attempt to fight him back, a few punches would be great to see. I never consider women to be weak and expect them to really fight back. All she does when he gets closer to her is move towards the wall, so Prammad is positioned perfectly to torture her.
I think- Never play with fire, you will get burnt. I would choose to avoid it .
Between a hubby- wife - Love is there or not there, it cannot be forced.


N where did u read that educated ppl can handle abusers well?? U will b flummoxed to learn that many EDUCATED WOMEN are battered. I work with problematic ados n I know wat I am talking. Most of them have educated moms who get beaten every night n never complain.
>>> Dear, got my view point so wrong. Pls read my message carefully and my post on the pg.1 a couple of weeks ago. Alcoholics need rehab ( 17th Aug) and Bravo Dukhba (12th Aug). If you still have questions, I will answer them. Well, I do not blame you, there is a lot to read.

I am noticing that in ur every post u r saying u don't watch SC anymore.
>> I had to watch a part of this episode being discussed here, of course FF because I can never watch it as a viewer. Once the DV track gets over, will regain interest.


I am amazed that u don't watch the show anymore n rely on feedback from members which is subjective to give views of generalized nature.
>>>You make this assumption. I think you do not read my posts and answers carefully, reg. what I write and discuss.

Never mind but Plz don't forget to answer my Q on the rape attempt. I am like really interested.
Hope I have provided the ans. if you wish to discuss more let me know.
Edited by SC_wellwisher - 12 years ago

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