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Posted: 12 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: hotdogg

smrth..nice scenarios...

Considering the story so far, for the seperation there HAS to be mandatorily (i) an irreversible break between LN & VC (ii) major fight between saras & kumud ...sort of like a family fued which totally shuts the door for any rapproachment at least in the immediat term...a

...otherwise all other scenarios between saras & kumud can be settled by LN & VC...
...and in these times baraat getting cancelled is not reason enough to marry off a daughter like instant coffee in the mandap itself..plus there is no way kumud will agree to this either...b

one epi also had gumaan thinking she will use her final ace at the right time...c

If LN - saras confrontation is illogical and there is a grief element only between LN - saras, what if there is another twist altogether?

In the novel the break was also attributed to property put in a trust in kumud's name by saras grandmother...which was attempted at replication in the show by the CVs through the silly mortgage and haveli money put in a company by LN...

I realised now that track was never really closed...papers / company are still with LN / Gumaan...d




Hgg,
Considering detailed prognostics of your post, I'll have to break the response...plus some annoying link juggleries in answers, i pad is bad for color formatting in IF post ( or I don't know, how to)- a much better way...

a
Agree, as I pointed these in my reply to Vaishali. Also, as we are noting, they are not dwelling on an crucial elaboration that is needed in such important break. About (ii), though it was not required in book, here PMU dictate it indispensable perhaps. So either way one lead is going to receive major flak for the 'onus' they earn.

b. How about a Saras returned to his shell and even some part superstition? Plus, Kumud in normal mode no...but what about a ' VC- pressed' Kumud...'dead' and complying??

c. I had doubted Danny as doubtful 'ace' but they have cleared him unambiguous pro Samud and pisitive, So this dot is really confusing. Can not account him much. He and Dukhbaa total innovation by Cvs.

d.
As I had explained these circumstances earlier in a CB thread, the elaboration in book is much detailed. There was also 'share' investment by SC from the estate of Chandralaxmi, his mother, but a negative advise for Gumaan's son was involved. The reasons were related to prevalent circumstances, but in all, author had neatly built the altercation...plus, there was 'Dhurtlal' Gumaan's brother. Remember Gumaan's sister here? That makes me think, Cvs surely had much better plan initially. That sister was surely playing important role in original script at this juncture...come to think of her. Is she Gumaan's trump card somehow? A secret dot?! Remember, she had got Saras arrested in Gau hatya track...some nexus with inspector Umesh has existed since then. Should I add her as a secret dot? Or is she dropped permanently?

More later after attending some e mails...😊






Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: smrth

Hgg,
Considering detailed prognostics of your post, I'll have to break the response...plus some annoying link juggleries in answers, i pad is bad for color formatting in IF post ( or I don't know, how to)- a much better way...

a
Agree, as I pointed these in my reply to Vaishali. Also, as we are noting, they are not dwelling on an crucial elaboration that is needed in such important break. About (ii), though it was not required in book, here PMU dictate it indispensable perhaps. So either way one lead is going to receive major flak for the 'onus' they earn.

b. How about a Saras returned to his shell and even some part superstition? Plus, Kumud in normal mode no...but what about a ' VC- pressed' Kumud...'dead' and complying??

c. I had doubted Danny as doubtful 'ace' but they have cleared him unambiguous pro Samud and pisitive, So this dot is really confusing. Can not account him much. He and Dukhbaa total innovation by Cvs.

d.
As I had explained these circumstances earlier in a CB thread, the elaboration in book is much detailed. There was also 'share' investment by SC from the estate of Chandralaxmi, his mother, but a negative advise for Gumaan's son was involved. The reasons were related to prevalent circumstances, but in all, author had neatly built the altercation...plus, there was 'Dhurtlal' Gumaan's brother. Remember Gumaan's sister here? That makes me think, Cvs surely had much better plan initially. That sister was surely playing important role in original script at this juncture...come to think of her. Is she Gumaan's trump card somehow? A secret dot?! Remember, she had got Saras arrested in Gau hatya track...some nexus with inspector Umesh has existed since then. Should I add her as a secret dot? Or is she dropped permanently?

More later after some attending some e mails...😊


Smrth for color coding type [color=color name] now the text to be colored. end color code by typing [/color].

The various color names are black, white, blue, red, yellow, orange, green, magenta etc
Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#43
Thanks Arshi
still, much cumbersome, don't you think so?😕

I practiced and got it right.😊 One bright student of yours, rt, Arshi?!😆
Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#44
GMT 's ability to choose names is fascinating! Dhurtlal - suited to Guman's brother !

I wish our cvs too had shown similar creativity, menaka was a complete misnomer for Guman's sister and violated the yatha naam tatha gun rule of character names in this story
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Posted: 12 years ago
#45
wohooo such interesting discussion going on😊... smrth plz keep posting ths kind of topics... ths forum really need it... I hope cv's wl give us strong reason for the breaking of marriage... don't want any loop holes whr anybody can pin point... ths should b a complete trap...
Edited by Anki_KJSG - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: smrth

Thanks Arshi

still, much cumbersome, don't you think so?😕


Wow I am impressed, just takes a little getting used to
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Posted: 12 years ago
#47
btw ironically spoiler of the week also din come... its good I hope ths media ppl specially sbs,sbb won't reveal much... hope team sc wl take of dat...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#48
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...ohh no.. i' guess i'm late.for this...thnks 2 internet connectons that i have...😡😡...
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..wow what wonderful discussions gng on this forum .n all related to show...SC..😆😆...kind of rarely seen n almost exctinct.😆😆... thnku for makng this post..really needed like this..👏...
...well we have 2 wait n watch...as what cv's gonna do next...😕😕😕..


P.S:.. what if mandap mein shaadi ke din..instead of kumud getng maried 2 sum1 else...(which i really dnt want 2 happen )...danny n kumari get married...😆😆😆...story mein sabse bada maha twist...😆😆...

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Posted: 12 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: hotdogg



What if the letter saras will receive (as per spoilers) indicates that since the merger has not gone through, among the losses that need to be cut is Kumud's company too...ergo VC haveli is on the market and they are out on the street... blame fully on saras...then shocked kumud gives him a piece of her mind...saras back in his shell...can't face anyone...maybe leaves town to repent / correct the 'wrong'. e

also gumaan indicating that kumud's first steps were unlucky for LN...causing him to doubt his choice...

...that is the only event that I can see so far which has brought both LN's & VC's blood to boil...and this time there is no DB to interact with LN personally...this could really start the whole fire between the two families again...f

..the CVs have a real methi ka ladoo on their hands now and are on the razor's edge... on one hand if they show clear seperation and remarriage immediately there will be howls of protest from the fans and shrinkage of viewership...on the other hand if they try to retain popular fan expectations then it degenerates into a mainstream show with possibly stable viewership...g

.. I believe this predicament related to popularity & fan expectations was probably not anticipated when this started...h

... so I am also betting that the CVs will play safe & take the easy way out especially at this stage...extend it in the interim into some sort of Ram - Sita story...so both are seperated & pining for each other...but no marriage to others...just a long seperation...with Danny as Laxman...and a Danny Kumari track?...i

Also most important...you haven't placed the Kusum dot......that is one outlier & troublesome character which is not fitting anywhere in any of our theories...even if there is seperation, why will saras marry kusum now?...they cannot keep her on till the end of the story for saras to marry ...what will she do for so many episodes?..specially if the focus is going to shift to saras - kumud track more...j

p.s.
If CVs want to go really mainstream then we will have a really regressive story-line (though a popular one I believe in high trp serials) ...kumud is preggers and Danny marries her 'in principle' to save honor while our hero is out there somewhere...Danny calling her kumudji and not bhabhi prevents an incestous connotation if this scenario were to develop...

.. pity that nowadays for this show every possibility is now on the table... kuch bhi ho sakta hai...

..Next week will show how the dice has rolled...

... I had stopped figuring out the way the story will move and was taking it one day at a time...then with all the post PMS / kc stuff stopped enjoying on a day to day basis...

...for me the show was on its notice period...the angst / mood spoiling when comparing what it was and to what it has been reduced to was too high..

..so this is a good thread to pique my interest for one more week...



Though Arshi has taught me the 'colors', I will continue with the white- erm black.😆 For the sake of continuity...

e. Ten K Cr. Fortune may not allow this. Plus, what loss could they show in a yet to be concluded deal?

f. Innocent Kumud's honour! Hmm...it sounds more likely. But more likely, as in book, is the direct allegation on Saras, for being blind in his love to Kumud. That is how Book LN has taunted SC...cutting him up...citing Ring, portrait etc. (book)

g. This brings us to Vaishali's guess. May be no second Merriage as yet either...let's see.

h. Brings us to CB discussion...why are they not trying season format! So so much better scope.

i. Not Ram-Sita anymore. Though I was supporting it initially, as against Radha- Krishna,Vaishali's one query has unsettled me from this analogy too...as we know Sita renounced Ram in the end!...Ram trait ok perhaps, but no Sita please...

j Appendix dot list is not yet prepared. Not till end please. And pair her elsewhere before end PLEASE.

Ok...these are my points. And they may come with a completely different rabbit/squirrel out of their bag, we should yet not raise much hope.
Mercuryg, let them settle...




Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: smrth

So die is cast. Dots are falling in place. In two three varying patterns, all scenarios are leading to a singular outcome; Panicked and angry Desais' concluding a set marriage with a substitute groom.🤢

Dot 1. Exploding LN.

I don't think ln will explode.he said ghumaan saras will give the presentation and kismet me jo lika hai wahi hogi.something on that note.

Dot 2. Triumphant Gumaan cancelling baraat.

😡

Dot 3. Distraught Saras, entreating father not to disrupt, Gumaan adding further fuel to a combusted LN. ( LN disinherits Sc?! Too inconsistent though😕)

possibility of reverse action.not ln disinheriting sc but saras taking some kind of impulsive decision.now kumuds name is attached to the deal.ln said this was his first deal after kumud entered his life.so he want to clear that deal at any cost.he may ask for some more time for marriage.this will give ghumaan time to act.or he may give up everthing stating he cannot handle responsibilities(old sars).he will be on his way to meet kumud and explain then time for umesh's act.

Dot 4.. Bewildered Saras still trying to reach the venue anyhow...OR...'forfeiting' dream- his 'life'.

umesh and sahasrai along with yash and kotti kaki(ghuman,s army).

4a) is he returning to superstition? One more cause for 'disappearance'? Going to Saraswati Ma's portrait? Hope not.🤢

hope not

Contingency Dot, Inspector Umesh arresting his dash. Confiscating all communication for crucial time period.

he has to do something to stop saras.🤢

Dot 5.. RN Family waiting amidst all invitees and guests. VC, Guniyal panicking and doubting.

may happen

Dot 6.. Khoti kaki et al taunting VC and Guniyal. Even silencing Guniyal's momentary 'protests'/pleas for patience. Khoti Kaki counteraccusing with ensuing harm to family's reputation and prospects of other children.😕

if they show kumud waiting for saras on mandap this will surely happen.😡

Dot 7.. Dukhbaa too confused but reminded of her exact predicament in past. Events 'unleashed' by same culprit family🤢... RN haweli humiliated again..and now VC exploding.

what if everyone including ln and ghumaan were in the mandap and only saras is missing.

Dot 8.. 'No' baraat but anointed bride (mindhol) without groom. And forced to marry elsewhere.

this dot is really scaring me. in this scenario I don't find any option other that danny.🤢

Ok not all these, or in an exact sequence perhaps...and there are many loopholes here too; biggest being Guniyal's foreknowledge of PM'U'. How would both daughter and mother be 'contained' or overruled?😕...but something similar?😒

kumud may left in a position to accept the proposal to save family honour.

And a Million dollar missing dot; Who is substitute? Present dot Danny (no), Black dot Umesh (yuck), Never showed, but a fellow citizen- that kite rival? Or Scion of that invitee family from Guniyal's side- Bhavsars? ( Pramad was a distant acquaint from her maternal side)

bhavsars possibility is high.umesh- kumari and danny know the truth.if cv's decide to make him pramad of this sc then some filmy scenarios like kidanapping kumud and marrying her under unconscious state...but girl like kumud will never saty with him.
danny-last thing I want to see in sc.

If 'Bhavsars' or alike, then WHO is cast Pramad? No rumours, no forerunner news about this casting ??!😕 There would be at least three important characters cast afresh- Pramad's Father, mother and his sister. All are playing important roles in the story. Can a PH maintain such secrecy? Any news sbs watchers? How can they manage such a tight lip?😲 This is one missing dot..😕😕🤢

Add: presumed alive, possible dot: Gumaan's disappeared sister has some role to play? Nexus- Umesh...as in Gau hatya track.

this ph can maintain secrecy. danny was introduced on Friday episode and we came to know about the actor on Saturday.

This is just a conjecture. None of this may happen in serial ..alternatively much of it may...just a guesswork as said and..sorry for a doomsday scenario.🤢

@smrthji above all are just my pov.and thank you for making this post.purely the discussion is on the story and future tracks which we rarely see.
I have a question about kusum and saras marriage at the end with reference to the novel.
kumud decided to stay as widow and serve her husband's family.she want saras to get married to kusum.
I can see why saras accepted this proposal.how did kusum accepted this proposal knowing that they both love each other?if kumud is settled in her life then kusum and saras relation is acceptable to some extent.is there any back story regarding kusum's marriage like she is not getting any proposals because of kumuds broken marriage or something else on that note.
how did kumud convince kusum for the marriage? why kusum? she can ask him to marry and be happy but kusummm.any story after their marriage.how their relationship worked?
I don't mind wether they want to show parallel of radha-krishna or ram-seta .I can take their separation😭 but not saras with kusum especially after pms.😡
i read your posts recently and they were fabulous. those kind of post help us to view the whole scenario on different perception.. keep posting.liked your translation of slokha.after reading your post i watched those episodes for second time with a different view.
p.s sorry for long post.
Edited by psam4 - 12 years ago

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